EPTNFL 2012 Season - Page 190
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TwoToneTerran
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Southlight
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On December 20 2012 23:14 QuanticHawk wrote: I don't think it is open and shut like that. RG3 played 13 games to Luck's 14. RG3: 2900 yds, 8.3y/a, 66.4% 18td 4int, 748yds, 6td Luck: 3978yds 7.1y/a, 54.6% 20td 18int 233 5td Luck has more total yards, but Griffin is damn near a full 10% better and it's not like they're just doing 5 yard passes there. I think if both don't make the playoffs, it comes down to that. Otherwise, I am not really sure. I don't think Luck had that many more yards to overcome that completion differential, or Griffin's ability to run as well. Talent wise, both teams are in the same ball park. Wash was 5-11 last year and the Colts were 2-14. also fuck all yall bitches Its hard to compare Luck and RG3s passing yards IMO. The Redskins currently have the strongest rushing offense in the entire league. Of course his passing yards are fewer, the team has both RG3's legs and Alfred Morris, who is pretty much an elite running back at this point. The colts have Vick Ballard and Donald Brown. If the Reskins run weren't so strong I think RG3 could easily put up the same amount of yardage if not more, his completion percentage is is 12% higher, he's thrown only 4 picks all season vs. Luck's 18 and he's managed to pull of a perfect single game QBR. RG3 is just solid as hell in every way, I really don't think people should be so quick to declare Luck rookie of the year. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
Wayne's better than any WR on Washington by a mile. After that, the 2s and 3s for each team are comparable. Defensively they're statistically about the same as well. Talentwise, they're probably comparable... Orakpo, Carriker and Fletcher vs Mathis and Freeny. The only guy who really is way better than his coutnerpart on the other team is Morris. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On December 21 2012 00:29 QuanticHawk wrote: How do you guys figure they're that much better talent wise? Wayne's better than any WR on Washington by a mile. After that, the 2s and 3s for each team are comparable. Defensively they're statistically about the same as well. Talentwise, they're probably comparable... Orakpo, Carriker and Fletcher vs Mathis and Freeny. The only guy who really is way better than his coutnerpart on the other team is Morris. I would take Fleener over whoever the Skins have at TE right now. He's gonna be a stud at some point in his career. I think the Skins TE was good, but got injured, but fuck if I know. I haven't followed the NFL like I once did. I guess to me, there are two main differences: 1) The Redskins won a game without RG3. 2) RG3 has another potential ROY candidate running the ball for him. If you give Luck that kind of run support, does he throw fewer picks? Maybe. Idk. It's definitely a close race. I think Wilson should be involved in it too, but he definitely has the most talented team around him. Alfred Morris deserves some praise as well, given how much easier he's made life on RG3. People are far too enamored with QB's. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
but I agree, if there is any reason for Griffin to not win, it is Alfred Morris. Then again, how much does Griffin being there open stuff up for Morris? | ||
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ReDShiFT
United States106 Posts
On December 21 2012 00:35 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I would take Fleener over whoever the Skins have at TE right now. He's gonna be a stud at some point in his career. I think the Skins TE was good, but got injured, but fuck if I know. I haven't followed the NFL like I once did. I guess to me, there are two main differences: 1) The Redskins won a game without RG3. 2) RG3 has another potential ROY candidate running the ball for him. If you give Luck that kind of run support, does he throw fewer picks? Maybe. Idk. It's definitely a close race. I think Wilson should be involved in it too, but he definitely has the most talented team around him. Alfred Morris deserves some praise as well, given how much easier he's made life on RG3. People are far too enamored with QB's. Redskins current TEs is Logan Paulsen and Niles Paul, who replaced Fred Davis when he got injured. Fleener is better than both the current starters, but Davis would have currently been better than Fleener. One reason why RG3 doesn't throw picks, is that when noone is open he is usually already out side of the pocket and can run rather than trying a low percentage throw. Also the play action is so good with the dual run game of Morris and RG3, he can usually throw to his 1st read, and if not then the 2nd. The reason I don't think Morris should be in consideration for ROY is that i don't think he we be having as good of a year, if there wasn't the threat of RG3 keeping the ball and burning people for 20 yards. It really keeps the holes open for a sec or 2 longer, because the LBs have to stay honest | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 21 2012 00:29 QuanticHawk wrote: How do you guys figure they're that much better talent wise? Wayne's better than any WR on Washington by a mile. After that, the 2s and 3s for each team are comparable. Defensively they're statistically about the same as well. Talentwise, they're probably comparable... Orakpo, Carriker and Fletcher vs Mathis and Freeny. The only guy who really is way better than his coutnerpart on the other team is Morris. I don't agree with practically any of this. The Skins have a significantly better o-line (PFF grades them 12 ranks higher overally and 17 in pass blocking, most other offensive line metrics weigh out the same if you check PFT and any other site that tracks hurries/rushes/hits/sacks), Morris is clearly leagues better than Brown, the Skins defense as a whole grades out better and individually, Orakpo, Carriker, let's not forget Kerrigan too, and a better secondary, are better than a greatly regressed Freeney(have you seen him this year? non existent) and Mathis(who has also regressed but not nearly as badly as Freeney). I'd say the receiving corps are comparable, maybe a slight edge to the Colts considering how Hilton has been a pleasant surprise and how Davis has gotten injured (if Davis wasn't injured I'd probably give it to the Redskins). So yeah, the Redskins are a much, MUCH better team. Not to mention a head coach who's going to be knocking on Canton's door sometime in the future. It's funny because, despite all their wins, the Colts really backed into a lot of them and have a dirge of talent at practically every spot. By all advanced metrics they should have much fewer wins but hey, Football's wonky. Teams fuck up their drives, Colts cash in on some late game miracles, and you get a team that's playing better than their record. edit -- all of this said, I'd still give RG3 RotY. I just think their situations weren't even close to comparable and Luck "looks" a lot worse than he is compared to RG3. | ||
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Damiani
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MountainDewJunkie
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KOFgokuon
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Damiani
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 21 2012 13:57 Damiani wrote: CK time management is horrible. With that said i predict at least 5 delay of game penalties in Seattle with all that noise for the 49ers. Kaepernick was much better with clock management in New England than I thought he would be. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
I'm not sold on AP as MVP. He started the year with 84, 60, 86, 102 and 88 rushing yards. 4.4 ypc. Good numbers but not exactly elite. The Vikings went 4-1 in those games, with their most and only impressive victory (San Francisco) of the year. The difference was that Ponder was playing decently well those first 5 games with a healthy Percy Harvin. PS. I heard the Vikings offered Ponder's wife a contract after the bouquet throwing. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
not even 30 seconds have passed and theyve already burned a timeout | ||
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Damiani
United States514 Posts
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Wolfswood
United States349 Posts
- detroit punt/turnover /every lions drive tonight | ||
GTR
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:32 andrewlt wrote: I think RG3 deserves ROY. His efficiency is just off the charts for a rookie quarterback. He's no. 2 in passer rating, barely behind Rogers. The defense is ok, but Orakpo and Carriker only played 2 games this year before getting injured. The Colts are not as good as their record suggests. And even after playing Houston, they still own the 4th easiest schedule in the league. Wilson has a very good defense. Seahawks might not have a winning record if you switch their defense with the Redskins' or Colts' defense. I'm not sold on AP as MVP. He started the year with 84, 60, 86, 102 and 88 rushing yards. 4.4 ypc. Good numbers but not exactly elite. The Vikings went 4-1 in those games, with their most and only impressive victory (San Francisco) of the year. The difference was that Ponder was playing decently well those first 5 games with a healthy Percy Harvin. PS. I heard the Vikings offered Ponder's wife a contract after the bouquet throwing. RGIII are looking good because of the scheme - this is not to put him down in any way, but the argument of him being second I passer rating becomes a lot less impressive when you realise that it is due to a boatload of less than 5 yard throws. Furthermore his o-line actually buys him more than 2 seconds which is all he need for his routes to develop.. Luck is being asked to run a more complicated system and has a worse o-line, hence he will obviously look worse stat-wise. It is worth noting that he is ahead in the stat that actually counts: # of W.... The argument of schedule is such a funny one - first of all it is a rotational system in which only 2 are decided by last year's rank, secondly you can only beat those you go up against, thirdly the now declared weakest schedule was before the season seen as a middle of the pack schedule by the analysts at nfl.com (take from that what you want). Ultimately I think a good case could be made for both, they will both have stellar careers - ROY will probably come down to how convincing they play in their last games and if the Colts beat the Texans I think you would be hard pressed to not acknowledged the performance by Luck. I will admit that I am a Colts fan, but honestly I hope that Wilson wins it. That poor guy has gotten so little recognition for his outstanding play! | ||
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DMXD
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