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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:04 fush wrote: i'm still unclear as to how elective works - so much so that i'm scared of changing to it and losing outright. how do you exactly make your vassals vote for someone? is it their relation with you, and thus voting as you do? or is it their relation with your heir? in which case, how do i control their relation with the heir? Their relation with you seems to do the trick, I've managed to get like a 1 year old daughter as a heir over an adult son they didn't particularly dislike just by having like 60+ relation with half of them. The thing with vassals is that they actually LIKE elective as a law, so just by switching you get a significant relation bonus with them to begin with. Moreover, you can nominate female characters as well, which gives you a larger pool of candidates to choose from. Ultimately if they're really that stubborn, you can just assassinate either the pretender or one of the vassals who voted for him, whichever is easier. You have to do assassinations with other laws anyway to get who you want on the throne. It never came to this in my games though, and generally nothing dramatic ever happened Obviously, the kids will hate you if you switch to this law (-50), but your chosen successor and all the vassals will all like you, and at the end of the day they are the only ones that matter.  On February 22 2012 01:26 Haemonculus wrote: Is there any way to just kill off characters or delete them? I got some random pagans in my court through a bug, and I have no idea how to get rid of them T_T; Matrilineal marriage to some unimportant chick in Russia or Poland or somewhere across the continent is what I do (or just marry them off if they're female). Just talk to whichever King, they'll always have candidates available and default to "Yes" decisions almost all the time. | ||
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Omsomsoms
Croatia194 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I had a few vassals with maxed out relation at all times almost, I even raise all taxes to max eventually (not immediately though). I don't know, it's hard to not have good relations imo unless you jump into a new game where they already hate your guts to begin with (some cross-culture realms can create problems etc). | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
So guess what happens after 2 years? yeah right Savoy excommunicates my new Duke and it's game over. -_- but I wont give up I will try this retarded crap until I can post a post a screenshot with a big fat HABSBURG written over the HRE | ||
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Omsomsoms
Croatia194 Posts
She's the queen of England, and I'm the King of Ireland, and we have no heir DDD: | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
(if you didn't find it yet, it's the i button next to the character's age on the character profile screen) | ||
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Omsomsoms
Croatia194 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:09 Omsomsoms wrote: Does anyone know how claims work? I mean in that I invited someone who had a claim on Scotland (and this has happened before with earls, duchies, etc), and then use that CB to go to war with Scotland, when I win, nothing happens except the guy whose claim I was pressing becomes king. It even says on the "If we win the war" "XXX: King XXX (ME!) becomes new liege" read again what the CB says. It say when the person you pressed the claim for is a lower rank than you than you will become his liege. But I assume that you were not an Emperor so if you press a claim for a king he wont be your vassal if you are only a king. Duke > Count King > Duke Emperor > King that's how it works. Press claims on same or higher level and they will be independant | ||
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Omsomsoms
Croatia194 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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seRapH
United States9810 Posts
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Omsomsoms
Croatia194 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Maybe it's the marriage that makes it work though. Edit: but even the marriage was to some unimportant courtier girl, so meh. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Green = you take the land for yourself that becomes a part of your direct/indirect holdings Brown = you just take the land and give it to someone else | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Edit. Oh also, is there any point in having female courtiers? | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Re: Female courtiers, it's only if you want to marry someone fast or try and force marriages onto your vassals that don't give them alliances. You also get a random chance to have an affair with one of them every now and then, I've been too scared to accept because I don't want bastard children running around threatening my heirs ;p Re: The claims thing, green is someone who is already one of your vassals, brown is someone not your vassal. If you help a brown casus belli, that person will like you, but it'll go by du jure duchies/kingdoms on who he is a vassal too. I'm playing as England and trying to slowly take over Scottish provinces so I can usurp the throne, but I helped one guy with a brown casus belli and he's still a vassal to the Scottish Duke for his duchy even though I'm the one who got him the county. The thing that matters most is if there is already a higher ranking noble for that de jure province. If the province you're liberating has no duchy yet, you should be able to get him as your vassal, barring the actual de jure king, which would explain why Talin got Leinster, because I'm assuming no one was actually the duke of Leinster yet? As another advice thing, I've been playing primogeniture for safety so I know for sure one person gets everything, gavelkind seems really messy depending on what titles you are actually keeping. It's pretty pointless if youre a king and you lose your demenses because they keep being shared with siblings, you really need your own property to have a good personal levy to protect yourself against civil wars anyway. Elective seems okay depending on how many vassals you actually have. As you get bigger and bigger it seems like it'd be worse and worse because you wouldn't be able to guarantee having positive influence with ALL of your vassals to sway the vote in your favor. It's a lot easier to deal with rebellious vassals than a full blown civil war with your siblings taking splinter vassals onto their side as well. In summary, this game is a good timekiller, but it would really be amazing with some mods. I can already see a GoT type mod with a heavy focus on alliances, bloodlines, and actual ambitions being pretty cool. | ||
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