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Omsomsoms
Profile Joined September 2011
Croatia194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 23:54:02
February 19 2012 23:43 GMT
#141
Nope, can't, unless there's a hidden button somewhere

Edit: Also the AI is a filthy fucking cheater, Scotland raising 1000+ soldiers after I JUST KILLED THEIR ENTIRE ARMY
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 00:12:53
February 20 2012 00:11 GMT
#142
On February 20 2012 08:43 Omsomsoms wrote:
Nope, can't, unless there's a hidden button somewhere

Edit: Also the AI is a filthy fucking cheater, Scotland raising 1000+ soldiers after I JUST KILLED THEIR ENTIRE ARMY

i don't think it's the ai cheating as much as it is a heathens and/or tribals feature, they get a massive (possibly the same but 100% levy, still more than you can dream of from a single county) amount of troops. Mercs can usually tip the shits in your favour. BTW I LOVE THIS GAME! most fun i've had since sc2 release, allthough i suspect it might get pretty stale after awhile.
edit: the "button" to imprison someone is in the diplomacy menu, next to a characters portrait.
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
February 20 2012 00:14 GMT
#143
Is the multiplayer as awesome as it sounds it might? I was honestly probably going to torrent it until I watched the anti-piracy trailer and I lol'd.
Omsomsoms
Profile Joined September 2011
Croatia194 Posts
February 20 2012 00:21 GMT
#144
On February 20 2012 09:11 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 08:43 Omsomsoms wrote:
Nope, can't, unless there's a hidden button somewhere

Edit: Also the AI is a filthy fucking cheater, Scotland raising 1000+ soldiers after I JUST KILLED THEIR ENTIRE ARMY

i don't think it's the ai cheating as much as it is a heathens and/or tribals feature, they get a massive (possibly the same but 100% levy, still more than you can dream of from a single county) amount of troops. Mercs can usually tip the shits in your favour. BTW I LOVE THIS GAME! most fun i've had since sc2 release, allthough i suspect it might get pretty stale after awhile.
edit: the "button" to imprison someone is in the diplomacy menu, next to a characters portrait.


The problem is Scotland isn't a tribe t_t, and just to see what happened, I gave myself 10000 gold to hire every single mercenary band, and they raised 3000, I killed that, they raised 1000, I killed that, then they kept raising 1000-3000 every two weeks or so
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3828 Posts
February 20 2012 00:30 GMT
#145
On February 20 2012 08:20 Talin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


This crazy kid is single handedly going to destroy my plan of becoming the King of Ireland

Or worse... HE might become the King of Ireland.

Unless his hyperambitious son who hates both our guts kills him first and I have to make him become the King of Ireland.

Happy days.

'I'm also playing as Connacht, and Ruadri was the one who united the country in my game, he was so amazing :D
: o )
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 20 2012 00:32 GMT
#146
On February 20 2012 09:30 ShloobeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 08:20 Talin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


This crazy kid is single handedly going to destroy my plan of becoming the King of Ireland

Or worse... HE might become the King of Ireland.

Unless his hyperambitious son who hates both our guts kills him first and I have to make him become the King of Ireland.

Happy days.

'I'm also playing as Connacht, and Ruadri was the one who united the country in my game, he was so amazing :D


To be honest his whole branch of family is batshit crazy or tyrannical evil that I'm considering plotting to kill my wife and marrying some 17 year old lustful French chick as a desperate attempt to save Ireland.

Anyways, seems like everyone's playing in Ireland here. xD

GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 20 2012 00:54 GMT
#147
Here's my finished Scotland game, couldn't quite unite all of England because I ran out of time and had some bad luck with chancellor failing to generate claims:

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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 02:42:34
February 20 2012 02:41 GMT
#148
Apparently half-brothers and half-sisters can marry. Time to recreate the Targaryens.

edit: whoops, or not -_- it did allow me to select them though. Well that's not very realistic.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
February 20 2012 02:53 GMT
#149
I actually did see a half-sibling couple though, that eventually became the emirs. But no I can't recreate it
boomer hands
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#150
Man.... first two hours of the game and I haven't even unpaused yet. A game which makes you scracth your head and go "WTF am I suppose to do?"
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 10:42:41
February 20 2012 10:41 GMT
#151
On February 20 2012 11:41 Talin wrote:
Apparently half-brothers and half-sisters can marry. Time to recreate the Targaryens.

edit: whoops, or not -_- it did allow me to select them though. Well that's not very realistic.


aunt and niece is the closest you can marry. But the chances are high that their children get the inbred debuff and possible some other bad debuffs

On February 20 2012 09:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Here's my finished Scotland game, couldn't quite unite all of England because I ran out of time and had some bad luck with chancellor failing to generate claims:



you can speed this up a lot when you find people with claims on your enemies provinces and then you invite them to your court and declare war.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
February 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#152
Any tips for keeping a kingdom together?

So I finally created the title of King of Ireland. I control about 3/4 of Ireland, and really just need to finish off Ulster before I own the whole island. I gave two duchies to my two oldest sons, but I'm not entirely sure about how titles and succession work. One of my sons is heir to the throne of Ireland, so imo when he dies he *should* inherit the kingdom, and thus have a claim on everything in the island, yes? I keep getting "Title lost upon succession" for a few random counties, and I don't know how to fix it! Blah!

Secondly, my two eldest sons just declared war on each other! Wtf! They're battling each other with armies from lands *I* own, taking away forces that I need to finish off Ulster! Is there any way I can just be like "come on boys, knock it off!" Put them in time out or something? As their king/father, is there any way I can end that war peacefully? Or should I just side with my heir and get rid of my other son?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 20 2012 14:24 GMT
#153
The thing is to choose your succession laws carefully. And to pay attention to who you give lands to. Don't split your counties between your 4 sons, make two of them bishop and or one of them baron (if you can).

After that there is technology status and infrastructure upgrades. If you don't spend your money your are going down at the first war. Upgrades your buildings and go get what your deserve.

With my Saxony game, I now control 16 provinces of Germany, a few more and I'll recreate the Kingdom of Germany and declare independance from the Empire.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
February 20 2012 14:44 GMT
#154
Has anyone tried to sneak their way into a Muslim Caliphate/Sultanate yet? I can swear fealty to them but can't seem to figure out a way to effectively convert myself to Sunni/Shiite. Thought it'd be interesting to play from their perspective
boomer hands
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
February 20 2012 14:55 GMT
#155
On February 20 2012 23:44 seRapH wrote:
Has anyone tried to sneak their way into a Muslim Caliphate/Sultanate yet? I can swear fealty to them but can't seem to figure out a way to effectively convert myself to Sunni/Shiite. Thought it'd be interesting to play from their perspective


well if you can get into a caliphate you might be able to get a muslim court chaplain. He will be able to convert you people.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 15:03:12
February 20 2012 15:01 GMT
#156
On February 20 2012 23:02 Haemonculus wrote:
Any tips for keeping a kingdom together?

So I finally created the title of King of Ireland. I control about 3/4 of Ireland, and really just need to finish off Ulster before I own the whole island. I gave two duchies to my two oldest sons, but I'm not entirely sure about how titles and succession work. One of my sons is heir to the throne of Ireland, so imo when he dies he *should* inherit the kingdom, and thus have a claim on everything in the island, yes? I keep getting "Title lost upon succession" for a few random counties, and I don't know how to fix it! Blah!

Secondly, my two eldest sons just declared war on each other! Wtf! They're battling each other with armies from lands *I* own, taking away forces that I need to finish off Ulster! Is there any way I can just be like "come on boys, knock it off!" Put them in time out or something? As their king/father, is there any way I can end that war peacefully? Or should I just side with my heir and get rid of my other son?


This is based on my random observations alone, so don't take anything of it for granted - the title lost on succession thing only means that the title is lost to your dynasty, as long as it's still an integral part of a higher rank title (eg Duchy relative to a Kingdom), it stays within the Kingdom unless the vassal wants to force the independence. As long as you're the King and you have a heir to the Kingdom, all the lower ranked domains should stay within it.

On the other hand, if you're a count, and you conquered some random counties (equal rank title) that are not part of a larger title (like a Duchy), and you either give them to a member of a different dynasty (via Diplomacy menu) or a different dynasty member inherits it, they go indie because then the situation is that both of you are counts and they don't feel they owe you allegiance I guess. On the other hand, this does not seem to happen if you take a formal approach and invite a claimant to court and/or marry him matrilineally - in this case when you press his claim, he is bound to take you up as Liege if/when you win his title.

If you have a Gavelkind succession law and hold 2 different, independent titles (eg Duchies of Leinster and Meath), the sons should theoretically split them up and go their separate ways when you die. If you have a Kingdom of Ireland and Duchies of Leinster and Meath for yourself, eldest son inherits the Kingdom and the younger inherit various Duchies, so you're still fine. I personally get rid of Gavelkind asap to avoid the confusion and people getting titles I don't want them to get and go Elective very early on.

I'm pretty confused by a ton of shit regarding successions as well, so if anybody can correct anything above, go right ahead.

As for the other thing, such internal struggles are probably a result of plots. So pay attention to your Intrigue page, and if you uncover them on time, you can bully the schemer into ending is plot or imprison him without penalty. You can also do that (imprison him) after the actual fighting begins IF you know it was a plot (if it shows on the Intrigue page).
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 15:33:48
February 20 2012 15:12 GMT
#157
I've played an entire game as Bohemia and had a score of 45,000 when I finished, and I still don't have a great understanding of succession laws work between the kingdom/duchy/county levels. It seems like different counties/duchies have different local succession laws, but that could just my poor understanding.

It also annoys me when a family member usurps my title as King and loses half the kingdom duchies in the process.
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 15:53:37
February 20 2012 15:48 GMT
#158
For a relatively small kingdom like Ireland, I like to split up the titles between myself and my heir. Assuming no premature deaths, the heir will simply get the old king's half of the kingdom upon succession, and he can then grant titles to his heir. This way there's no chance of rebellion on succession since there simply are no other counts or dukes in the realm. Try to get high stewardship scores on your king and your heir so they can hold it all in their demesne. Remember only castles need to be held in the demesne, cities and churches are given to vassal burghers and priests who never seem to revolt, only nobles do that. This has the lovely side effect of making your heir incredibly rich, and when he inherits his fathers money he becomes even richer.

This won't work for large kingdoms, as your max demesne won't allow it. For these, I never grant more than one county to each vassal, and I try to keep it within the dynasty if possible. You don't want them stronger than they need to be. Divide et impera!

I realize unlanded sons carry a prestige penalty under anything but gavelkind succession, but I really do not give a shit. Holding titles gives plenty of prestige.

edit: Myles, each title has its own succession law independant of the duchy or kingdom it may belong to. The holder of a title can change the succession law after holding for ten years. Nobody needs to vote or anything, that's only the other laws, i.e taxes, levies, investiture and crown authority laws.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
February 20 2012 15:58 GMT
#159
On February 21 2012 00:48 beef42 wrote:
edit: Myles, each title has its own succession law independant of the duchy or kingdom it may belong to. The holder of a title can change the succession law after holding for ten years. Nobody needs to vote or anything, that's only the other laws, i.e taxes, levies, investiture and crown authority laws.

Thanks, that's what I thought. I can only find the laws that effect the crown level though, so how do you do this on the local level when you own counties as a King? Or do they match whatever is set on the Kingdom level?
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
February 20 2012 16:05 GMT
#160
The laws of the lesser titles still exist, but if a higher ranked noble holds them, then the laws of his highest title apply. In your case yes, it matches whatever is set on the kingdom level.
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