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Instigata
United States546 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:36 sprd wrote: Never pissed hot. Passed 3 tests before the fight, 2 piss 1 blood. Totally roids. 28 days later he submits the required sample and not to his "personal" doctor. With or without he was gonna tool Lesnar so it doesn't matter. | ||
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sprd
United States33 Posts
 You have to visualize success, and not already have your contingency plan lined up in case things do not go your way. Positivity breeds more positive energy. And the NYE dream card... Is on HDnet live... and takes place from 1am-10am EST x.x | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:42 HuK wrote: yea but he walked into the fight with that mindset, at least think it over after wards and decide how well you can do and whether or not you could improve. dont go into the fight thinking "well if i lose im too tired and ill just quit " I dunno I don't agree with that. I do think you can think about your career in such a manner in MMA/boxing and I consider it a positive. The way top fighters stick around way longer than they should because they don't think about their careers like that hurts to see sometimes. The way Lesnar had lost to Velasquez already showed that he had very little chance of ever beating him again, but beating Overeem (somehow) would definitely have indicated he could have beaten JDS (similar fighter to Overeem). If he can't beat Overeem he basically has no obvious way of getting to the title again, and that could be predicted before the fight happened. | ||
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ggskill
United States9 Posts
 I wish Brock was to take Overeem down | ||
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I dunno I don't agree with that. I do think you can think about your career in such a manner in MMA/boxing and I consider it a positive. The way top fighters stick around way longer than they should because they don't think about their careers like that hurts to see sometimes. ok how about when you can beat some1 in wrestling 1/2 your size you can come back and talk to me about fighting | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I love it when athletes retire with the timing Brock just used. The guy is an ex champion and a monster beast and there is a realization that he can never beat any of the top three guys anymore. He'd have to stick around as a gatekeeper who little to no chance of ever being a champion again. It hurts to see champions go down that road and I really appreciate it when they retire the moment they can't be champions anymore. I think a lot of people would of thought the same with Boxer when he wasn't showing results, but look at him now he's back in Code S. Although I think MMA is too different of a sport to compare  I dunno if I would consider a starcraft pro an athlete. Different subject ^^I am looking forward to JDS Vs. Overeem though!! | ||
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:42 HuK wrote: yea but he walked into the fight with that mindset, at least think it over after wards and decide how well you can do and whether or not you could improve. dont go into the fight thinking "well if i lose im too tired and ill just quit " Why wait till after the fight? He ' thought about it ' and was serious enough to make a promise to his wife and kids. As a former champ in wrestling and UFC he prolly trained as hard as possible, also from his speech it was obvious he was aiming for the title again. If he knew he was giving it his all in his training, its fair to set retirement as a condition based on the loss on the way to the championship. I don't like brock but was a good way to go out. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:46 eXNewB wrote: I think a lot of people would of thought the same with Boxer when he wasn't showing results, but look at him now he's back in Code S. Although I think MMA is too different of a sport to compare I dunno if I would consider a starcraft pro an athlete. Different subject ^^I am looking forward to JDS Vs. Overeem though!! Boxer is the face of starcraft and all starcraft pros look up to him. Why would you even make an analogy like this to Brock lesnar lol... | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:46 eXNewB wrote: I think a lot of people would of thought the same with Boxer when he wasn't showing results, but look at him now he's back in Code S. Although I think MMA is too different of a sport to compare I dunno if I would consider a starcraft pro an athlete. Different subject ^^I am looking forward to JDS Vs. Overeem though!! People don't change skill levels in MMA the way they do in Starcraft, genetic gifts are a HUGE determining factor in terms of whether someone will be successful in MMA or not, and while you can say that genetics matter in SC, it's just not the same. Not to mention that losing in MMA is actually often dangerous, as losing can come with brain damage and long term damage to your body in general. Not good, I'd rather have someone retire the way Lesnar did than someone like Chuck Liddell did who took knockout after knockout and surely has a lot of brain damage. | ||
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:42 HuK wrote: yea but he walked into the fight with that mindset, at least think it over after wards and decide how well you can do and whether or not you could improve. dont go into the fight thinking "well if i lose im too tired and ill just quit " MMA is a different kind of sport man. It's just extremely taxing physically on your body and you have to train months for just 1 fight. Brock is rich and has other means of making money, he was just hoping to use his size advantage and raw power to stay at the top and its clear the new level of HW talent has pushed him aside. Its hard for people to quit MMA because they miss the feeling of getting that KO and their hand raised, guys like Chuck Liddell pretty much could've retired a long time ago but decided to stay and they got continually beaten and KO'd when their time was pretty much over. It takes real courage/strength to retire the way brock did. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:50 daxile wrote: MMA is a different kind of sport man. It's just extremely taxing physically on your body and you have to train months for just 1 fight. Brock is rich and has other means of making money, he was just hoping to use his size advantage and raw power to stay at the top and its clear the new level of HW talent has pushed him aside. Its hard for people to quit MMA because they miss the feeling of getting that KO and their hand raised, guys like Chuck Liddell pretty much could've retired a long time ago but decided to stay and they got continually beaten and KO'd when their time was pretty much over. It takes real courage/strength to retire the way brock did. I don't know if it was courage on Brock's part lol, he had shown signs of not wanting to be in MMA, and he wasn't one of those guys who would be in the gym 24/7 like Georges St Pierre or Frankie Edgar, Lesnar would only be in the gym when he knew a fight was coming up I'm pretty sure. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
On December 31 2011 14:54 ColdLava wrote: I don't know if it was courage on Brock's part lol, he had shown signs of not wanting to be in MMA, and he wasn't one of those guys who would be in the gym 24/7 like Georges St Pierre or Frankie Edgar, Lesnar would only be in the gym when he knew a fight was coming up I'm pretty sure. Brock was frustrated, he knows he has so much physical potential but there are guys who are extremely experienced in their mma backgrounds than he is. I think Brock knows he can still hang in the sport, perhaps become a HW gatekeeper, I still think hes one of the best in the HW division. So yeah, I do think its a bit of gigantic step to say you will retire. I also think its for the better, Brock has only 3 losses and 5 big wins on paper, 2 of those losses were to top guys, so he's leaving in good standing IMO. Also I don't think you realize how mentally/physically taxing it is training for a fight, whether or not he's a 24/7er, its clear hes a hard worker in the gym and if that isn't enough, then its safe to consider your options as far as fighting in the future goes. | ||
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Baituri
Netherlands1501 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
And retirement ... I can respect that for the reasons nazgul stated, he probably wont be the baddest man on the planet anymore, why bother. Also, JDS vs Overeem will have so much hype surround it omg, i think JDS takes it. | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Anyone dragging on that has never given it their all. Yes I know that's a generalization but you haven't if you rip on someone that tries and say..oh well, I tried, I honestly tried. You, the ripping human, have never obviously tried till your muscles ripped. That is basically the end of the argument. Either you have and you get it, or you haven't and you don't. I don't see the debate here. | ||
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cynical
Canada589 Posts
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