EPTit's a fucking MMO learn to play with other players.
I always hoped this thread was above these kind of posts that so far I only encountered in the faction channel in the game but I guess I was wrong.
[MMO] Archeage - Page 12
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
it's a fucking MMO learn to play with other players. I always hoped this thread was above these kind of posts that so far I only encountered in the faction channel in the game but I guess I was wrong. | ||
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Miragee
8655 Posts
On September 06 2014 05:28 Skilledblob wrote: all I read here is mimimi I cant be max level and have my gear maxed out after 5 days and mimimi I cant craft build and collect everything on my own.... it's a fucking MMO learn to play with other players. I always hoped this thread was above these kind of posts that so far I only encountered in the faction channel in the game but I guess I was wrong. Would be nice to know whom you are adressing. I can't see anyone making the points you are mentioning except for paddyz maybe. o.O | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On September 06 2014 05:47 Miragee wrote: Would be nice to know whom you are adressing. I can't see anyone making the points you are mentioning except for paddyz maybe. o.O agreed. i cant figure out who he is trying to address as that has not been a single concern ive seen raisded in this thread yet. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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NNLBboy
United States67 Posts
On September 06 2014 10:30 Vaelone wrote: Tried the beta for a bit and think I'l go casually into full release as a F2P player and at least slowly explore the world and level up, just that alone can be quite enjoyable for me. Whether I put money into it and stick with the game is a whole another thing though. I was thinking the same thing for some reason I find the game somewhat boring honestly, I feel like Im just running around doing quest, BUT I will give it some more time personally and maybe when I get to a higher level it will be more fun, with PVP or being a pirate or something. Plus being a very spam heavy or damage dealing class is always great. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On September 06 2014 10:30 Vaelone wrote: Tried the beta for a bit and think I'l go casually into full release as a F2P player and at least slowly explore the world and level up, just that alone can be quite enjoyable for me. Whether I put money into it and stick with the game is a whole another thing though. Yeah, I don't have or want to put in the time to play seriously | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On September 06 2014 05:28 Skilledblob wrote: all I read here is mimimi I cant be max level and have my gear maxed out after 5 days and mimimi I cant craft build and collect everything on my own.... it's a fucking MMO learn to play with other players. I always hoped this thread was above these kind of posts that so far I only encountered in the faction channel in the game but I guess I was wrong. Happy birthday  EDIT: Decided to leave out the rant, I've been ranting for 1 1/2 years now. Im just gonna let Trion do the talking. Lets hope for the best! | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
Other than battling through getting used to the UI, I just need to know what are the ultimate goals for strictly a "F2P solo player" | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
You literally dont have to ever hit lvl 50 to enjoy archeage. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Just how bad are the last changes? Is it REALLY P2W? | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:09 Spaylz wrote: So, I might get into this game with a friend. Just how bad are the last changes? Is it REALLY P2W? Not P2W. Mainly as a free player you will just need to work with friends a bit more. And like all games, if you pay you will get things faster. But considering you are not limited in combat at all against other players, it definitely does not fit the definition of P2W. Your not restricted in what you wear, and you can get BiS on a free account. (although it is recommended to buy anything 1 time to unlock AH access permanently, more on that later...) Primarily, subbing grants 2 things: land ownage, and faster labor generation/generation offline. Land ownage - you can share land in 2 ways. Guilds can share their land. Also, near your friends list there is a "family" list. Think of family as a mini-guild. Anyone in your family will actually share land as well. So to make up for not owning land, just find some friends. Other aspect is labor generation, but there are labor potions (that can be bought with in game currency as well) that can give f2p better labor generation than subscribers have. Of course, you will need to be established in the game economically before doing this, hence it takes more time, but it is entirely possible as a free player. Also think longer term, once players have their initial gear, they will be working on gearing friends/guildies/etc up as fast as possible to maximize their combat forces. Compared to the games that people list as "good" f2p mmo pricing schemes, this one is one of the better ones. I've seen people list Rift as a good one, but Rift isn't that different, you can buy the 2nd or 3rd best gear on the marketplace in rift which will give a new max level significant advantage over a fresh max, and allow them to get BiS faster than otherwise. I've seen some people list NW as well... but that's a bad argument imo, because the epic mounts alone cost $30+ and they are basically required in objective based PvP. Not to mention to get max enchantments etc you need to pay as well. At least in AA it's actually possible to get BiS without paying. So basically, if your in to the game, it's good to pay, you will progress easier/faster. But if you are strapped for money or really don't like to spend, it's possible as F2P. Or another option is to sub just for awhile, once your geared up and max tradeskills play F2P, you should be able to afford labor potions by then and it won't be a problem as long as someone in your family/guild has a home =) Oh 2 more things to mention.. 1) Auction house selling access. This is another limit on f2p players, but you do not require a subscription, apparently if you spend "anything" on the game you will permanently unlock access to the AH selling. This is very similar to other F2P games where you get a perma unlock for spending once. 2) Since patch a lot of people are complaining about the Archaeum box on the marketplace. But the complaints came before actual results of what is inside. If you look on reddit (for example theres a post of a guy who opened 13 of them) you actually get a pretty negligible amount of Archaeum for the price. Plus the developers said the normal drop rate in game of them is being increased. Spending money on those boxes is in no way anything to worry about. Your better off spending your credits on other things... | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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TheEmulator
28100 Posts
On September 08 2014 06:39 Steveling wrote: Um, is this game still in beta? Closed beta finished and it's in a very short open beta from Sept 4th or something until the early access release of the full game on Sept 12th. The actual release is on the 16th if you don't have early access. So yeah. You can still do the open beta until next Friday if you want, but then everything will get wiped for the official release. | ||
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Boggler
Canada234 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:09 Spaylz wrote: So, I might get into this game with a friend. Just how bad are the last changes? Is it REALLY P2W? It is P2W. PING 2 WIN As a non paying player you can do the same things as the rest. Unfortunately, your connection is a main factor in PvP. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
Labor is necessary for any gold making, because 99% of your gold comes from growing stuff on your land, which you only get access to if you are a sub. Labor is necessary to do ANY of the tradeskills, crafting, or gathering. And before all of the nerfs to labor rate, it was still the #1 choke point when it came to gearing up/leveling trade skills. All of the best gear is crafted- the number 1 choke point of crafting is materials + labor. A. You need labor to farm the mats, B. You need the labor to use the mats. Labor was already the most significant choke point/hold up when it came to leveling your character / gearing up your character. Labor Points are responsible for like 75% of the content in Archeage...which is why they NERFED THE SHIT out of its replenish rate, and then made Labor Pots the #1 item in the Cash shop. Yes you can go through this game without buying Labor Pots... but you wont be able to make even 1/100 of the gold of someone who can. You will have NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE to the same gear as someone who just buys labor pots , and so levels their crafting and is able to constantly make themselves good gear. Not to mention all of IMO the fun stuff (IE planting hidden farms, stealing from other peoples' hidden farms) - requires having a large amount of built up Labor Points...which you will have to buy. If you dont mind having a disadvantage in every single aspect of the game, and are limited to not being able to participate in 50% of the content (the stealing, planting, land ownership, the crafting are all off limits as they are all limited by your Labor Points) Its not pay to win. For instance when i was playing a lot of Alpha... my #1 problem was running out of Labor...and that was before the nerfs which reduced the regen by like 50%... so i cant imagine what its like now... there would simply be no way to keep up on your crafting/tradeskills. Meh. I honestly dont mind the Sub model at all. I paid the 150 cause i wanted to play the alpha, and i get the sub status for 3 months. I would have subbed and kept paying if they didnt make all the changes they did to LP. I would trade the sub model for this broken as shit Pay to Win cash shop every day of the week, | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 09 2014 03:34 MaestroSC wrote: Its Pay 2 Win because its Pay for Labor. Labor is necessary for any gold making, because 99% of your gold comes from growing stuff on your land, which you only get access to if you are a sub. Labor is necessary to do ANY of the tradeskills, crafting, or gathering. And before all of the nerfs to labor rate, it was still the #1 choke point when it came to gearing up/leveling trade skills. All of the best gear is crafted- the number 1 choke point of crafting is materials + labor. A. You need labor to farm the mats, B. You need the labor to use the mats. Labor was already the most significant choke point/hold up when it came to leveling your character / gearing up your character. Labor Points are responsible for like 75% of the content in Archeage...which is why they NERFED THE SHIT out of its replenish rate, and then made Labor Pots the #1 item in the Cash shop. Your leaving out the part where you can by labor pots in game without spending real money... Also the fact that you need many other components than just labor to craft. Obviously if you are not paying, its going to take you longer to get established, and then to match the labor points of a payer you need to be dedicated in farming to buy those pots. But your acting like it's not possible, leaving out the methods that are in place that do make it possible. I'll say it again to stress it, if you are a dedicated free player, after a longer start up to get established, you can get labor points just as fast as someone who pays. (Actually faster than a subscriber that does NOT buy labor potions - labor pot is higher labor generation than subscribing alone). BTW, you can also buy subscription time in game as well. Duno why people complain their ass off and either don't do the research to know what their talking about, or act like features dont exist so they have a reason to complain... | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On September 09 2014 03:34 MaestroSC wrote: Its Pay 2 Win because its Pay for Labor. Labor is necessary for any gold making, because 99% of your gold comes from growing stuff on your land, which you only get access to if you are a sub. Labor is necessary to do ANY of the tradeskills, crafting, or gathering. And before all of the nerfs to labor rate, it was still the #1 choke point when it came to gearing up/leveling trade skills. All of the best gear is crafted- the number 1 choke point of crafting is materials + labor. A. You need labor to farm the mats, B. You need the labor to use the mats. Labor was already the most significant choke point/hold up when it came to leveling your character / gearing up your character. Labor Points are responsible for like 75% of the content in Archeage...which is why they NERFED THE SHIT out of its replenish rate, and then made Labor Pots the #1 item in the Cash shop. Yes you can go through this game without buying Labor Pots... but you wont be able to make even 1/100 of the gold of someone who can. You will have NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE to the same gear as someone who just buys labor pots , and so levels their crafting and is able to constantly make themselves good gear. Not to mention all of IMO the fun stuff (IE planting hidden farms, stealing from other peoples' hidden farms) - requires having a large amount of built up Labor Points...which you will have to buy. If you dont mind having a disadvantage in every single aspect of the game, and are limited to not being able to participate in 50% of the content (the stealing, planting, land ownership, the crafting are all off limits as they are all limited by your Labor Points) Its not pay to win. For instance when i was playing a lot of Alpha... my #1 problem was running out of Labor...and that was before the nerfs which reduced the regen by like 50%... so i cant imagine what its like now... there would simply be no way to keep up on your crafting/tradeskills. Meh. I honestly dont mind the Sub model at all. I paid the 150 cause i wanted to play the alpha, and i get the sub status for 3 months. I would have subbed and kept paying if they didnt make all the changes they did to LP. I would trade the sub model for this broken as shit Pay to Win cash shop every day of the week, so what you're saying is the game is pay to win because you cant do everything on your own and might have to socialize and work together with others. I did a lot of questing in the beta events and the money you get from that is enough to set you up with enough gold to never have to plant/grow/gather materials for trade packs. Yes making trade packs costs labor but it's so little that you most likely have regenerated the labor when you hand in the pack And all you need in this game is gold and then you can buy everything without having to spend a single labor point trade runs might not be as effective for gold generation than other methods but really if farming the library 24/7 is your definition of fun then I dont know how to help you. Traderuns are what generate content and conflict and why people purposely decide to not engage in that is beyond me. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On September 09 2014 05:01 Spyridon wrote: Your leaving out the part where you can by labor pots in game without spending real money... Also the fact that you need many other components than just labor to craft. Obviously if you are not paying, its going to take you longer to get established, and then to match the labor points of a payer you need to be dedicated in farming to buy those pots. But your acting like it's not possible, leaving out the methods that are in place that do make it possible. I'll say it again to stress it, if you are a dedicated free player, after a longer start up to get established, you can get labor points just as fast as someone who pays. (Actually faster than a subscriber that does NOT buy labor potions - labor pot is higher labor generation than subscribing alone). BTW, you can also buy subscription time in game as well. Duno why people complain their ass off and either don't do the research to know what their talking about, or act like features dont exist so they have a reason to complain... and labor points are the #1 most efficient way to make gold. Ya you can buy labor pots with gold... but if you want to make any real amount of gold, it will guaranteed involve labor in some way. Even if you want to do trade runs... Trade packs are made with labor. ALSO they are made with the ingredients you get from labor. Tradepacks are made by materials that you have to use Labor to harvest/create. When you can open your wallet, and use your wallet as a means to gain a competitive advantage...thats called pay to win. Cash shops should be reserved for novelty items, and cosmetic items IMO. Labor pots are not either of those, they are an essential, IMO the MOST essential part of the entire game, which most of the content revolves around. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 09 2014 05:59 MaestroSC wrote: and labor points are the #1 most efficient way to make gold. Ya you can buy labor pots with gold... but if you want to make any real amount of gold, it will guaranteed involve labor in some way. Even if you want to do trade runs... Trade packs are made with labor. ALSO they are made with the ingredients you get from labor. Tradepacks are made by materials that you have to use Labor to harvest/create. When you can open your wallet, and use your wallet as a means to gain a competitive advantage...thats called pay to win. Cash shops should be reserved for novelty items, and cosmetic items IMO. Labor pots are not either of those, they are an essential, IMO the MOST essential part of the entire game, which most of the content revolves around. Once again ur acting like you can't buy labor potions IN GAME WITHOUT opening ur wallet. And actually p2w means a free player can't compete with a paying player no matter what (and that's where most f2p games mess up, without real money you'll never compete). In AA of course if your free it takes longer( just like every other free game, even the ones with the best monetization) but you can get the same BIS as someone who spent thousands on cash shop. Ur biggest argument is labor and that's silly because f2p can buy the same labor pots (without real money) as the ones who spend real money. Only difference is the f2p player will have to work a lil more for it. Stop acting like that's not true and actually addressing the fact that paying players don't get anything (including labor) that a f2p player can not get for free, except for land. | ||
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