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On October 04 2013 08:47 Ethelis wrote:
I think it's horrible to get gear spoonfed. It's really stupid to be able to be raid geared in like 3 hours. Really guys?
You can be geared to enter raids and contribute in a couple of days sure, but you're not optimally geared in that time frame by any stretch of the imagination.
496 gear off the timeless isle isn't anywhere near as good as even the Raid Finder version of ToT gear from the previous tier.
If you enter an actual raid wearing it, you COULD be carried same as any fresh 90 in 5 man dungeon gear could be carried but you aren't actually what I would consider "raid geared."
If you're referring to being "raid geared" as "being geared to enter LFR" then that's a different story. LFR isn't real raiding, and the individual gear requirements of players inside of it is almost irrelevant. Players in 496 gear routinely do about as much or less damage than I did in Heroic Blues in Mogu'Shan Vaults. The content there isn't tuned to require a particularly high gear level.
The LFR content itself is watered down garbage compared to the Normal and Heroic versions of any of the encounters in the raid. Referring to LFR as a "raid" in any way is simply stupid.
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On October 03 2013 21:44 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 20:47 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 03 2013 20:45 Oozo wrote:
About this wow being dead game subject.
I've played since vanilla... Have to fully agree that Panda's were huge mistake in direction this game has gone. Anything from that subject would not done right to the game. I literally quit game after first clear on mogushan vaults. All just cause I got really sick of bad lore and how encounters were designed.
They stopped innovating pve and took shortcuts (lfr/flex) and made them standard way of spoiling content to anyone trying to come back to game. normal raiding and specially heroic raiding was not affected that much... lucky those who actually have guild who does heroic raiding and gets to basically skip lfr fully.
Now that we are less than week away from next blizzcon and announcement of next expansion is near. I came back to wow week ago to level my hunter at max and gear him a bit so I can have good look what we are at the moment and how are things changed from launch to the end of expansion. Basically my biggest problems are the attitude of development towards players. All content is easily passed by new patches, There is zero effort to get raid ready. 3 days of gearing, I went from greens 430~ ilvl to 515 ilvl (today 530 threshold if no miracle happens). Its just too easy and only thing I can't get is those heroic pieces that I probably won't even have chance to even get. Even with these so called problems I had... it still can be fixed and that is what I hope from next expansion
The thing is, next expansion... they can't hit bottom more, unless its Pandaria expanded 2.0 and we get gutted. That would be last time I look at this game. If they manage to make "wow" subjected expansion, that would be saving grace. Even its flaws in game, we can make community better and kinda skip those flaws. Make guild that ignores lfr, don't require it from raiders. Ask more in /g /trade /lfg about groups to places. Its not dead way to communicate even if we have tools to get automatic entry on dungeon. We can change! (says Obama :D)
Wait.. Panda's are not the last exepension ? But i just paid 37€.... He just means the next expansion is on the cards, it has already been leaked on the internet. I would say by erm, March-April 2014 we will be looking at a launch of the next expansion. Which is increasing the level cap to 100 and adding a few fun little features. Blizzcon is where it will be announced though of course.
Oh ok... i thought they said somewhere panda were the last. I was misinformed.
On October 03 2013 22:03 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 20:05 FFW_Rude wrote:I just reinstalled the game and got MoP with a month subscription. It feels good to play again but the cities are so empty and auction house are too  (that's the main thing i did in this game). Also it's really hard to grind the little puppys with the sooo long animations. But it's fun. I wonder how they did not get sued by pokemon because it's really similar. But cool  improvements to be made imo but i don't know how it was at the start of Mop so... But it's kind of cool. I liked cataclysm because it made me able to do the old raids 40players level 60 alone and that's what i'm going to do again when i'll be level90. It's not bad. Did not figure out how to go to pandaria yet. (i MAY BE a dumbass). But it is SO HARD to get used to the new talents and tree i'm really lost. If there is someone on Rashgaroth(FR) from TL that want to team up to do old dungeons. Just PM me on TL. They don't have to be on your server. You can party with anyone Cross-Realm now, one of you will be ported to the others server then you can do the dungeons together.
But you can just party cross realm for the dungeons of your level no ? I'm 85 and i don't have AQ or Kerazan in the list because it's below level 80
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Battle tag / real ID lets you play with your friends no matter where they are. The only things you can not do together are normal and heroic raiding of the current tier.
Unless you're of different factions, that is.
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On October 04 2013 19:29 ObviousOne wrote:
Battle tag / real ID lets you play with your friends no matter where they are. The only things you can not do together are normal and heroic raiding of the current tier.
Unless you're of different factions, that is.
Really ? That means i can group to go to ... say forgotten temple with someone that is not on my server... that is really good to know !
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Yeah it doesn't work for capital cities but outside of that it works. So if you go to the timeless isle for example and on your server it is dead. You can join your friends who is busy and it will be as if you were on that realm
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On October 04 2013 20:52 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it doesn't work for capital cities but outside of that it works. So if you go to the timeless isle for example and on your server it is dead. You can join your friends who is busy and it will be as if you were on that realm
That's so cool !
I have another question. If i a do a pokemon duel (sorry i don't know the translation of "mascotte" in english. Pets ?) will i earn experience ? Or do i only earn it via combat with other "pets" and in the "ladder system" of "pet fights" ?
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Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
U earn experience if you kill the pet yeah, should work exactly like pokemon works. You gain better xp fighting another human opponent but you can still earn xp by battling the trainers out in Azeroth and the wild creatures
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Holy shit you guys, stop with the LFR arguments already, dont talk about it at all. Its there and it has absolutely 0 fucking influence on normal or heroic raiding. And no, "people are content with lfr and dont bother with normal" is not an argument, you wouldnt want to raid normal with those people anyway. There are very rare cases that a new tier lfrs item is better than the previous tiers normal/hc and those cases are limited to trinkets and set boni, so while you theoretically can "catch up" with someone who did hc on last tier, who the fuck cares? Are you raiding to impress others with items?
Also, ilvl goes up to 580 by now, compare that to the 535(543) you get on the isle or 528(536) of lfr. Its not even close.
Heres a rough comparison of DPS by classes, just click through the ilvls.
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#BiS
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On October 04 2013 19:06 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 21:44 Pandemona wrote:On October 03 2013 20:47 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 03 2013 20:45 Oozo wrote:
About this wow being dead game subject.
I've played since vanilla... Have to fully agree that Panda's were huge mistake in direction this game has gone. Anything from that subject would not done right to the game. I literally quit game after first clear on mogushan vaults. All just cause I got really sick of bad lore and how encounters were designed.
They stopped innovating pve and took shortcuts (lfr/flex) and made them standard way of spoiling content to anyone trying to come back to game. normal raiding and specially heroic raiding was not affected that much... lucky those who actually have guild who does heroic raiding and gets to basically skip lfr fully.
Now that we are less than week away from next blizzcon and announcement of next expansion is near. I came back to wow week ago to level my hunter at max and gear him a bit so I can have good look what we are at the moment and how are things changed from launch to the end of expansion. Basically my biggest problems are the attitude of development towards players. All content is easily passed by new patches, There is zero effort to get raid ready. 3 days of gearing, I went from greens 430~ ilvl to 515 ilvl (today 530 threshold if no miracle happens). Its just too easy and only thing I can't get is those heroic pieces that I probably won't even have chance to even get. Even with these so called problems I had... it still can be fixed and that is what I hope from next expansion
The thing is, next expansion... they can't hit bottom more, unless its Pandaria expanded 2.0 and we get gutted. That would be last time I look at this game. If they manage to make "wow" subjected expansion, that would be saving grace. Even its flaws in game, we can make community better and kinda skip those flaws. Make guild that ignores lfr, don't require it from raiders. Ask more in /g /trade /lfg about groups to places. Its not dead way to communicate even if we have tools to get automatic entry on dungeon. We can change! (says Obama :D)
Wait.. Panda's are not the last exepension ? But i just paid 37€.... He just means the next expansion is on the cards, it has already been leaked on the internet. I would say by erm, March-April 2014 we will be looking at a launch of the next expansion. Which is increasing the level cap to 100 and adding a few fun little features. Blizzcon is where it will be announced though of course. Oh ok... i thought they said somewhere panda were the last. I was misinformed. Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 22:03 nikj wrote:On October 03 2013 20:05 FFW_Rude wrote:I just reinstalled the game and got MoP with a month subscription. It feels good to play again but the cities are so empty and auction house are too (that's the main thing i did in this game). Also it's really hard to grind the little puppys with the sooo long animations. But it's fun. I wonder how they did not get sued by pokemon because it's really similar. But cool improvements to be made imo but i don't know how it was at the start of Mop so... But it's kind of cool. I liked cataclysm because it made me able to do the old raids 40players level 60 alone and that's what i'm going to do again when i'll be level90. It's not bad. Did not figure out how to go to pandaria yet. (i MAY BE a dumbass). But it is SO HARD to get used to the new talents and tree i'm really lost. If there is someone on Rashgaroth(FR) from TL that want to team up to do old dungeons. Just PM me on TL. They don't have to be on your server. You can party with anyone Cross-Realm now, one of you will be ported to the others server then you can do the dungeons together. But you can just party cross realm for the dungeons of your level no ? I'm 85 and i don't have AQ or Kerazan in the list because it's below level 80
Yea you just have to walk to the dungeon you can't LFG que for it.
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On October 04 2013 21:17 Warri wrote:Holy shit you guys, stop with the LFR arguments already, dont talk about it at all. Its there and it has absolutely 0 fucking influence on normal or heroic raiding. And no, "people are content with lfr and dont bother with normal" is not an argument, you wouldnt want to raid normal with those people anyway. There are very rare cases that a new tier lfrs item is better than the previous tiers normal/hc and those cases are limited to trinkets and set boni, so while you theoretically can "catch up" with someone who did hc on last tier, who the fuck cares? Are you raiding to impress others with items? Also, ilvl goes up to 580 by now, compare that to the 535(543) you get on the isle or 528(536) of lfr. Its not even close. Heres a rough comparison of DPS by classes, just click through the ilvls. http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#BiS
Sorry, but it does have quite a significant impact.
When I join a guild, I'm expected to do these LFR-Raids to get gear, so I have to have a really frustrating, boring and time-consuming experience ahead of me. I don't want to something I don't enjoy for several hours a week in order to not gimp myself.
If you're raiding since the last tier and have decent gear already, that's nice. If you're new, the experience of gearing up is nothing short of horrid.
There's so much great content now, but the LFR really is the reason I only bought one month since Pandaria (and one in Cataclysm).
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On October 04 2013 21:25 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 21:17 Warri wrote:Holy shit you guys, stop with the LFR arguments already, dont talk about it at all. Its there and it has absolutely 0 fucking influence on normal or heroic raiding. And no, "people are content with lfr and dont bother with normal" is not an argument, you wouldnt want to raid normal with those people anyway. There are very rare cases that a new tier lfrs item is better than the previous tiers normal/hc and those cases are limited to trinkets and set boni, so while you theoretically can "catch up" with someone who did hc on last tier, who the fuck cares? Are you raiding to impress others with items? Also, ilvl goes up to 580 by now, compare that to the 535(543) you get on the isle or 528(536) of lfr. Its not even close. Heres a rough comparison of DPS by classes, just click through the ilvls. http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#BiS Sorry, but it does have quite a significant impact. When I join a guild, I'm expected to do these LFR-Raids to get gear, so I have to have a really frustrating, boring and time-consuming experience ahead of me. I don't want to something I don't enjoy for several hours a week in order to not gimp myself. If you're raiding since the last tier and have decent gear already, that's nice. If you're new, the experience of gearing up is nothing short of horrid. There's so much great content now, but the LFR really is the reason I only bought one month since Pandaria (and one in Cataclysm).
Gearing up for raid content has never been easier imo. Especially now, with Timeless and all. I've been playing with a few friends that just picked up the game that easily surpassed 510ilvl within a day or two of hitting 90. Between Timeless Isle and LFR, it takes very little effort and time (comparatively) to grind yourself up to the point that you can ignore LFR if you want.
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On October 04 2013 21:25 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 21:17 Warri wrote:Holy shit you guys, stop with the LFR arguments already, dont talk about it at all. Its there and it has absolutely 0 fucking influence on normal or heroic raiding. And no, "people are content with lfr and dont bother with normal" is not an argument, you wouldnt want to raid normal with those people anyway. There are very rare cases that a new tier lfrs item is better than the previous tiers normal/hc and those cases are limited to trinkets and set boni, so while you theoretically can "catch up" with someone who did hc on last tier, who the fuck cares? Are you raiding to impress others with items? Also, ilvl goes up to 580 by now, compare that to the 535(543) you get on the isle or 528(536) of lfr. Its not even close. Heres a rough comparison of DPS by classes, just click through the ilvls. http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#BiS Sorry, but it does have quite a significant impact. When I join a guild, I'm expected to do these LFR-Raids to get gear, so I have to have a really frustrating, boring and time-consuming experience ahead of me. I don't want to something I don't enjoy for several hours a week in order to not gimp myself. If you're raiding since the last tier and have decent gear already, that's nice. If you're new, the experience of gearing up is nothing short of horrid. There's so much great content now, but the LFR really is the reason I only bought one month since Pandaria (and one in Cataclysm).
Since when has catching up to current raid gear NOT sucked?
Catching up to around a 520 ilvl is really easy now. I got to 530 ilvl on my Troll Mage alt in around 2 weeks, which is high enough to do Normal modes, the only real roadblock is that the Wraithion cloak takes months to build.
The entire point of Flex is that a guild can bring extra players that otherwise wouldn't be able to do Normal mode, once there they can get any and all upgrades they need to switch to Normal mode while also gaining experience as to the mechanics of the boss fights.
That's way better than how it used to be: you grinded Heroics for weeks until you had enough Badges/Valor to be mildly useful in a raid role, but never as a Tank.
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On October 04 2013 21:40 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 21:25 SixStrings wrote:On October 04 2013 21:17 Warri wrote:Holy shit you guys, stop with the LFR arguments already, dont talk about it at all. Its there and it has absolutely 0 fucking influence on normal or heroic raiding. And no, "people are content with lfr and dont bother with normal" is not an argument, you wouldnt want to raid normal with those people anyway. There are very rare cases that a new tier lfrs item is better than the previous tiers normal/hc and those cases are limited to trinkets and set boni, so while you theoretically can "catch up" with someone who did hc on last tier, who the fuck cares? Are you raiding to impress others with items? Also, ilvl goes up to 580 by now, compare that to the 535(543) you get on the isle or 528(536) of lfr. Its not even close. Heres a rough comparison of DPS by classes, just click through the ilvls. http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum#BiS Sorry, but it does have quite a significant impact. When I join a guild, I'm expected to do these LFR-Raids to get gear, so I have to have a really frustrating, boring and time-consuming experience ahead of me. I don't want to something I don't enjoy for several hours a week in order to not gimp myself. If you're raiding since the last tier and have decent gear already, that's nice. If you're new, the experience of gearing up is nothing short of horrid. There's so much great content now, but the LFR really is the reason I only bought one month since Pandaria (and one in Cataclysm). Gearing up for raid content has never been easier imo. Especially now, with Timeless and all. I've been playing with a few friends that just picked up the game that easily surpassed 510ilvl within a day or two of hitting 90. Between Timeless Isle and LFR, it takes very little effort and time (comparatively) to grind yourself up to the point that you can ignore LFR if you want.
Also, everyone who did raids every week to get their gear optimized for the next raid tier would be even more frustrated than you, if you could just get 540+ in 5minutes. Catching up has never been easier, but you can't make it a matter of 1 hour or so.
Get in a party with friends/guild mates and do LFR, that way you have someone to socialize with while the rest of the "raid" fails horribly. If I had to do LFR without anyone to share the frustration, I wouldn't have fun either.
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Look I quit WoW for a whole bunch of reasons ~7-8 months ago, amd I don't keep up with this thread but that argument just doesn't really hold water. See, what would your gearing up experience be if there wasnt lfr? I mean consider your hypothetical situation back in the pre-lfr days. Say wotlk and back. There basically was two options for catching up on gear late in an expansion.
1) Your guild carries you through old raiding content to gear up. This is "ok" to a point, for example a lot of guilds had regular kara runs for alts, undergeared people, etc. Not really a problem. However, beyond that it was completely awful. Running 1 tier back 25-mans that did not have relevamt gear for you on your main SUCKED, but you had to do it to gear up people who were behind. People forget this stuff, but in reality your complaint that lfr is a horrible boring experience for yourself is terribly selfish as opposed to a terrible boring experience for 15+ people for your sake. Fact of the matter is, in current WoW environment nobody would do this anyways.
2) You PUG old content with trade chat groups or gdkp runs or whatever. This was much worse than lfr and doesnt require any discussion.
Stuff like adding improved 5-mans as the expansion goes on and lfr is the only thing that even allows you to "catch up" in gear to current raid levels. That is why they did it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is fun at all. But what is the alternative anyways? It is either this or you raid every week from start of expansion if you want to raid current content. If you really want to gear up, you just grind it out while listening to music/watching tv or a stream on second monitor or whatever. Its pretty effortless, just unpleasant. It isn't competely worthless practice/experience anyways.
Anyways, on another note. I am 26 played this game a TON (with many "quits" post WotLK) since highschool with a large group of RL friends almost solely for arena and despite the fact that I completely despise it on so many levels, it gives me mad nostalgia and I have no doubt that we would all sub up for another expansion and at least gear up and try arena for the first season. (And hate ourselves for doing it)
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timeless isle gear is horribly itemized, you need to be lucky to get the stats you want
if you think 510 ilevel is sufficient, have you gotten into a SoO group that cleared more than 4 bosses?
I don't think people will even bring you to flex at that ilevel
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On October 04 2013 21:01 Pandemona wrote:
U earn experience if you kill the pet yeah, should work exactly like pokemon works. You gain better xp fighting another human opponent but you can still earn xp by battling the trainers out in Azeroth and the wild creatures
Oh ok so you can duel a guild member for experience. That's cool
Thank you.
On October 04 2013 21:19 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 19:06 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 03 2013 21:44 Pandemona wrote:On October 03 2013 20:47 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 03 2013 20:45 Oozo wrote:
About this wow being dead game subject.
I've played since vanilla... Have to fully agree that Panda's were huge mistake in direction this game has gone. Anything from that subject would not done right to the game. I literally quit game after first clear on mogushan vaults. All just cause I got really sick of bad lore and how encounters were designed.
They stopped innovating pve and took shortcuts (lfr/flex) and made them standard way of spoiling content to anyone trying to come back to game. normal raiding and specially heroic raiding was not affected that much... lucky those who actually have guild who does heroic raiding and gets to basically skip lfr fully.
Now that we are less than week away from next blizzcon and announcement of next expansion is near. I came back to wow week ago to level my hunter at max and gear him a bit so I can have good look what we are at the moment and how are things changed from launch to the end of expansion. Basically my biggest problems are the attitude of development towards players. All content is easily passed by new patches, There is zero effort to get raid ready. 3 days of gearing, I went from greens 430~ ilvl to 515 ilvl (today 530 threshold if no miracle happens). Its just too easy and only thing I can't get is those heroic pieces that I probably won't even have chance to even get. Even with these so called problems I had... it still can be fixed and that is what I hope from next expansion
The thing is, next expansion... they can't hit bottom more, unless its Pandaria expanded 2.0 and we get gutted. That would be last time I look at this game. If they manage to make "wow" subjected expansion, that would be saving grace. Even its flaws in game, we can make community better and kinda skip those flaws. Make guild that ignores lfr, don't require it from raiders. Ask more in /g /trade /lfg about groups to places. Its not dead way to communicate even if we have tools to get automatic entry on dungeon. We can change! (says Obama :D)
Wait.. Panda's are not the last exepension ? But i just paid 37€.... He just means the next expansion is on the cards, it has already been leaked on the internet. I would say by erm, March-April 2014 we will be looking at a launch of the next expansion. Which is increasing the level cap to 100 and adding a few fun little features. Blizzcon is where it will be announced though of course. Oh ok... i thought they said somewhere panda were the last. I was misinformed. On October 03 2013 22:03 nikj wrote:On October 03 2013 20:05 FFW_Rude wrote:I just reinstalled the game and got MoP with a month subscription. It feels good to play again but the cities are so empty and auction house are too (that's the main thing i did in this game). Also it's really hard to grind the little puppys with the sooo long animations. But it's fun. I wonder how they did not get sued by pokemon because it's really similar. But cool improvements to be made imo but i don't know how it was at the start of Mop so... But it's kind of cool. I liked cataclysm because it made me able to do the old raids 40players level 60 alone and that's what i'm going to do again when i'll be level90. It's not bad. Did not figure out how to go to pandaria yet. (i MAY BE a dumbass). But it is SO HARD to get used to the new talents and tree i'm really lost. If there is someone on Rashgaroth(FR) from TL that want to team up to do old dungeons. Just PM me on TL. They don't have to be on your server. You can party with anyone Cross-Realm now, one of you will be ported to the others server then you can do the dungeons together. But you can just party cross realm for the dungeons of your level no ? I'm 85 and i don't have AQ or Kerazan in the list because it's below level 80 Yea you just have to walk to the dungeon you can't LFG que for it.
The only way to do a dungeon IMO teleport is no fun.
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Seems there's awfully lot of misinformation about several things in MoP with people.
With new talent system you actually have to change your talents on different bosses as well as some of them changing a bit how your spec plays out.
LFR is pointless for everyone except those who play like few hours every now and then(and the odd trinket if you got screw'd by rng last tier), I honestly don't know why people get mad over lfr.
Timeless gear is bad, doesn't really matter which ilvl piece it is unless your stat scaling is akin to warrior and you happen get ring with crit only.
Flex is the most awesome thing ever and actually a real substitute to gearing your alts to be raid ready without having to create second raid comp with your alts.
Most of the MoP lore is setup for next expansion and connecting it to existing one. Capturing Garrosh explains a bit why Varian decided to march into Org with full force.
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On October 04 2013 21:58 DCRed wrote:
Seems there's awfully lot of misinformation about several things in MoP with people.
With new talent system you actually have to change your talents on different bosses as well as some of them changing a bit how your spec plays out.
LFR is pointless for everyone except those who play like few hours every now and then(and the odd trinket if you got screw'd by rng last tier), I honestly don't know why people get mad over lfr.
Timeless gear is bad, doesn't really matter which ilvl piece it is unless your stat scaling is akin to warrior and you happen get ring with crit only.
Flex is the most awesome thing ever and actually a real substitute to gearing your alts to be raid ready without having to create second raid comp with your alts.
Most of the MoP lore is setup for next expansion and connecting it to existing one. Capturing Garrosh explains a bit why Varian decided to march into Org with full force.
I have a weird question for you good sir.
What is LFR and what is flex ?
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Looking for Raid and the new option that lets you vary the amount of people you bring to a raid and adjusts it accordingly (rather than fixed 10 or 25 man mode for example)
Edit: LFR is basically an automated finder for ezmode versions of the raids with lesser gear. Beyond the whole gear issue, it does let super casuals at least SEE content they otherwise wouldn't allthough you don't really get the raiding "experience".
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On October 04 2013 22:24 Atreides wrote:
Looking for Raid and the new option that lets you vary the amount of people you bring to a raid and adjusts it accordingly (rather than fixed 10 or 25 man mode for example)
Ohhhh Did not make the parel with LFG And about flex ? What is that ? I saw that mentioned in the chat on the FR server that i'm in but you know what happens if you ask a question in the general chat channel in game....
EDIT : I like your name :p
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