EPTEdit: spending 30 minutes on trash because you have to kill them one by one, while someone keeps sheeping another (which is incredibly hard and requires skill, to press that sheep button yo), is fun too, as opposed to mass pulling, aoeing and focussing the hard part on the bosses. Yes, makes sense.
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
Edit: spending 30 minutes on trash because you have to kill them one by one, while someone keeps sheeping another (which is incredibly hard and requires skill, to press that sheep button yo), is fun too, as opposed to mass pulling, aoeing and focussing the hard part on the bosses. Yes, makes sense. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 04 2013 23:56 Warri wrote: Having to stop dealing damage as a DD because your tank cant build aggro because hes full raid equipped and doesnt get ANY rage is a good and fun mechanic, can confirm. Edit: spending 30 minutes on trash because you have to kill them one by one, while someone keeps sheeping another (which is incredibly hard and requires skill, to press that sheep button yo), is fun too, as opposed to mass pulling, aoeing and focussing the hard part on the bosses. Yes, makes sense. Thank you for confirming that these changes were mainly targetted at raid players.  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16032 Posts
On October 04 2013 23:56 Warri wrote: Having to stop dealing damage as a DD because your tank cant build aggro because hes full raid equipped and doesnt get ANY rage is a good and fun mechanic, can confirm. Edit: spending 30 minutes on trash because you have to kill them one by one, while someone keeps sheeping another (which is incredibly hard and requires skill, to press that sheep button yo), is fun too, as opposed to mass pulling, aoeing and focussing the hard part on the bosses. Yes, makes sense. The thing is, trash in Challenge Modes is still quite a headache which is why most challenge mode strategies for Gold runs require skipping as much of it as possible. So even when I completely agree with a statement like yours that trash like BC's was more monotonous than it was challenging, there STILL can be an argument made that trash packs like those still exist for people that feel nostalgic for them | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:02 Redox wrote: Thank you for confirming that these changes were mainly targetted at raid players. It doesnt matter who they were targetted at. The mechanics were awful and boring and yes i played vanilla. | ||
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
Also I want to see how you aoe those mobs in Galakras HC without focusing shamans etc first, need to top the meters. Raiding is better than ever pretty much and if you think it's aoe masspull everything all the time you've been out of the loop for some time. Not getting enough rage to build enough threat was absolutely boring to both the tank and the dps and there was nothing complicated about watching Omen to see when you can start to dps. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 04 2013 23:14 Vindicare605 wrote: haha, I find it funny that you felt the need to write out in English on TL (an English speaking site) that you don't mind writing in English.  Hahaha that's what i thought while writing it ^^ | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16032 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:08 DCRed wrote: Garrosh trash thanks you for pulling without any cc and taking those extra slimes, 'cause you know, more damage? Also I want to see how you aoe those mobs in Galakras HC without focusing shamans etc first, need to top the meters. Raiding is better than ever pretty much and if you think it's aoe masspull everything all the time you've been out of the loop for some time. Not getting enough rage to build enough threat was absolutely boring to both the tank and the dps and there was nothing complicated about watching Omen to see when you can start to dps. Although I will admit, there is something to be said of threat management being a skill that used to separate the good tanks from the bad ones. Having a Warrior that could juggle multiple mobs' threat while also not dying was something to watch. Although the same time I say that I remember that by and large in those days "not dying" was simply a matter of your gear and how good your healer was. Active mitigation didn't exist and Warriors had like what 2 defensive cooldowns they had to manage? So skilled. Nowadays it's the reverse. The skill in tanking comes from surviving first and foremost but also handling the more complicated boss strategies in a way that doesn't get your raid killed. (I'm looking at you Dark Shaman) If Tanks had to still manage threat on top of all of that, well no one would ever actually tank. | ||
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Siggen
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:24 Siggen wrote: Is there any active TL guild on EU I can join for just leveling and hanging out? Dunno but if you want to play sometime we can i'm look for partener in crimes. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Panda#2710 is the battletag thingy | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:30 Pandemona wrote: Im on Twisting Nether realm if anyone is on it or even wants to add my battletag or whatever. Panda#2710 is the battletag thingy Hordre or Alliance ? Also, happy birthday ! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Im horde | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:33 Pandemona wrote: Thanks, i like Korean time it makes you able to celebrate your birthday 9 hours before it is due! Im horde Damnit... i'm on the dark side  | ||
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Siggen
143 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:33 Pandemona wrote: Thanks, i like Korean time it makes you able to celebrate your birthday 9 hours before it is due! Im horde Happy birthday! I just started up so I can join either faction. Just want to chat and hang out whenever I play because I will level kinda slow I think. Would be fun to hang out with TL guys. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:40 Siggen wrote: Happy birthday! I just started up so I can join either faction. Just want to chat and hang out whenever I play because I will level kinda slow I think. Would be fun to hang out with TL guys.Well i'm alliance on Rashgaroth. French time (so it's pm right now if you want to see if your time coincide with me or with other users). i'm level 85 chaman heal geared like a paper towel with holes in it. But i can help for dungeons (i dunno my battle.tag by heart) | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On October 05 2013 00:40 Siggen wrote: Happy birthday! I just started up so I can join either faction. Just want to chat and hang out whenever I play because I will level kinda slow I think. Would be fun to hang out with TL guys.Well yeah join either Alliance and play with FFW_Rude or join horde and ill try and help you out | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Edit : i think this is FFW#2606 | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
On October 04 2013 09:19 ObviousOne wrote: I'm ultra casual (unless you're referring to the derogatory form of the term, then I'm not that, and I find the term repulsive btw) and even I don't want to step foot in LFR much these days. Kick protection (from being kicked too many times) lets the trolls and griefers get away with murder or go AFK or essentially do whatever they want. Stories of tanks going AFK with 4 hour kick protection. I experienced for myself a hunter pulling all of the trash before the first boss in Heart of Fear in LFR with misdirection and wiping the group several times before his kick protection ran out. For every nightmare, I'm sure there are tens or more of success stories where things just go relatively smoothly and bosses are downed. Those nightmares are probably becoming more and more frequent given that Flex raiding (combined with Oqueue or OpenRaid) allowed people who don't want to tolerate that garbage an outlet for their casual raiding without the drawbacks of Blizzard-assembled groups. With the power now back in the hands of players for easier-than-normal raiding (my guild fell apart at Ambershaper btw, much like in Wrath my group probably only killed Malygos in EoE once because of the vehicle mechanic) I really feel like LFR is doomed to further fall down the scale of even being close to a raiding experience given the audience that uses/abuses it. This argument is kind of weird. I mean it's the end of the expansion so getting 496 gear really isn't a big deal considering what is available from normal+ raiding. ToT normal was, what, 522? 496 for most slots is a decent way to gear up an alt if you want to try a new class, but generally people aren't even performing to the standards of their item level given their unfamiliarity with their classes and rotations. Weapons are the major component to every role's effectiveness (weapon damage for tanks, melee, hunters, and spell power for casters) so even with a 496 item in every other slot, it's just lipstick on a pig. So many factors go in to a player's capabilities that gear should generally be the last thing you're worried about, and yet it's a pervasive mindset that gear is somehow the end-all be-all of the game. Not 530 item level? Get the fuck out of my raid! Not 520 item level? Stay the fuck out of my heroic scenario! (Never mind that you only need 480 to queue for it.) Where exactly do you see an issue with getting "raid geared" (I use this term loosely, timeless pieces are band-aids, let's just be honest here) when generally the people who use these items generally aren't even raiders. Remember, timeless isle had to be made somewhat challenging for even raiders, so everything hits like a truck and has millions of HP. Giving the players that want to explore there the ability to actually succeed in doing so can't honestly be bad, can it? That's what kinda bothers me. I mean like, before if somebody had certain gear, you had an idea on how good/bad they were (lets just say, an expected "skill floor," obviously there were exceptions). I agree with the fact that it helps people get their alts on par and see if they like that class better or whatever but it's hell for other reasons imo. I'd find it horrible to have to go through tons of people to recruit for a guild with 0 guiding parameters (obviously there are DPS/healing meters etc, also im not saying gear was THE measuring stick). I think it'd be fine if ilvls went 'normal 5s < LFR < Heroic 5s < Normal raid's etc. and that blizz didn't make easy mode Heroic 5s (WoTLK anyone?). I think it'd keep the casual tier below all together, obviously it's not a super amazing fix but do you kinda get where im headed at? | ||
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