[wow] Mists of pandaria - Page 96

On October 04 2013 23:56 Warri wrote:
Having to stop dealing damage as a DD because your tank cant build aggro because hes full raid equipped and doesnt get ANY rage is a good and fun mechanic, can confirm.
Edit: spending 30 minutes on trash because you have to kill them one by one, while someone keeps sheeping another (which is incredibly hard and requires skill, to press that sheep button yo), is fun too, as opposed to mass pulling, aoeing and focussing the hard part on the bosses. Yes, makes sense.

On October 05 2013 00:02 Redox wrote:

Thank you for confirming that these changes were mainly targetted at raid players.

On October 05 2013 00:33 Pandemona wrote:
Thanks, i like Korean time it makes you able to celebrate your birthday 9 hours before it is due!

Im horde

On October 04 2013 09:19 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm ultra casual (unless you're referring to the derogatory form of the term, then I'm not that, and I find the term repulsive btw) and even I don't want to step foot in LFR much these days.

Kick protection (from being kicked too many times) lets the trolls and griefers get away with murder or go AFK or essentially do whatever they want. Stories of tanks going AFK with 4 hour kick protection. I experienced for myself a hunter pulling all of the trash before the first boss in Heart of Fear in LFR with misdirection and wiping the group several times before his kick protection ran out. For every nightmare, I'm sure there are tens or more of success stories where things just go relatively smoothly and bosses are downed.

Those nightmares are probably becoming more and more frequent given that Flex raiding (combined with Oqueue or OpenRaid) allowed people who don't want to tolerate that garbage an outlet for their casual raiding without the drawbacks of Blizzard-assembled groups. With the power now back in the hands of players for easier-than-normal raiding (my guild fell apart at Ambershaper btw, much like in Wrath my group probably only killed Malygos in EoE once because of the vehicle mechanic) I really feel like LFR is doomed to further fall down the scale of even being close to a raiding experience given the audience that uses/abuses it.



This argument is kind of weird. I mean it's the end of the expansion so getting 496 gear really isn't a big deal considering what is available from normal+ raiding. ToT normal was, what, 522? 496 for most slots is a decent way to gear up an alt if you want to try a new class, but generally people aren't even performing to the standards of their item level given their unfamiliarity with their classes and rotations. Weapons are the major component to every role's effectiveness (weapon damage for tanks, melee, hunters, and spell power for casters) so even with a 496 item in every other slot, it's just lipstick on a pig. So many factors go in to a player's capabilities that gear should generally be the last thing you're worried about, and yet it's a pervasive mindset that gear is somehow the end-all be-all of the game. Not 530 item level? Get the fuck out of my raid! Not 520 item level? Stay the fuck out of my heroic scenario! (Never mind that you only need 480 to queue for it.)

Where exactly do you see an issue with getting "raid geared" (I use this term loosely, timeless pieces are band-aids, let's just be honest here) when generally the people who use these items generally aren't even raiders. Remember, timeless isle had to be made somewhat challenging for even raiders, so everything hits like a truck and has millions of HP. Giving the players that want to explore there the ability to actually succeed in doing so can't honestly be bad, can it?