EPTNHL 2011-2012 Season - Page 106
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JimmyJRaynor
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 25 2012 23:31 turamn wrote: Jordan Staal is a legitimate 1 center on any team other than Pittsburgh and maybe a handful of others. Are you kidding? There are hardly any teams he would be the number 1 center. He has a career high of 50 points. He's a two way player who's suited for shutting down other team's top players while able to put up some offense himself. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17186 Posts
NHL Free Agency begins July 1. Where is Greg Jamison and his "investment group" ? Its time for an opportunistic GM to pick the meat off of this dying desert dog. If Burke wants to earn some respect for his tenure in Toronto he must go after Doan, Langkow, Rozsival, Aucoin et al. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On June 26 2012 11:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote: If Burke wants to earn some respect for his tenure in Toronto he must go after Doan, Langkow, Rozsival, Aucoin et al. I wonder if Burke is employed after the season when TO finishes 12th in the east. I thought Phoenix got an owner. Did the guys brain turn on and he decide to keep his money? | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On June 26 2012 11:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the NHL's agreement with Glendale to manage Jobing.com and the Coyotes expires June 27th. NHL Free Agency begins July 1. Where is Greg Jamison and his "investment group" ? Its time for an opportunistic GM to pick the meat off of this dying desert dog. If Burke wants to earn some respect for his tenure in Toronto he must go after Doan, Langkow, Rozsival, Aucoin et al. isn't Goldwater institute holding everything up? supposedly the arena deal between the coyotes and the city of glendale is done. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On June 26 2012 09:46 GolemMadness wrote: Are you kidding? There are hardly any teams he would be the number 1 center. He has a career high of 50 points. He's a two way player who's suited for shutting down other team's top players while able to put up some offense himself. Context please; he's a third line center. The only reason he's been hitting higher minutes (~20 min/game last two seasons), was partially due to one, Pittsburgh's injuries and two, he's primarily used defensively against other teams and their top lines. Give him roughly the same minutes in offensive-zone situations and more PP time, and his numbers can easily go higher. You're knocking on him for hitting 50 points as his highest when he only plays on a third line, in an non-offensive role. I'm not exactly saying he is a first-line center, but the potential and pedigree is there if he really wanted it; and there would be quite a few teams he could do it on. He fits really well as a third line center, but there is more to be tapped even as a second liner at the very least. I've already seen rumblings that they're going to move Eric to the wing so Jordan can center him on the top line. I think that's a little far-fetched. I'd rather see the Staals as a 1-2 than anything, and maybe PP together. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 26 2012 11:13 Orcasgt24 wrote: I wonder if Burke is employed after the season when TO finishes 12th in the east. I thought Phoenix got an owner. Did the guys brain turn on and he decide to keep his money? With new management coming in sometimes it buys them a little more time. The JVR - Schenn trade was supposed to happen a few years back, but back then Pronger wasn't injured and the Flyers felt they had a sturdy defensive unit thus they were asking for more. Price went down and it became 1 for 1. Whatever, the team has a lot of work considering they already gave up Aulie but they still have a lot of decent prospects like Blacker so we'll see who makes it. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 26 2012 11:30 divito wrote: Context please; he's a third line center. The only reason he's been hitting higher minutes (~20 min/game last two seasons), was partially due to one, Pittsburgh's injuries and two, he's primarily used defensively against other teams and their top lines. Give him roughly the same minutes in offensive-zone situations and more PP time, and his numbers can easily go higher. You're knocking on him for hitting 50 points as his highest when he only plays on a third line, in an non-offensive role. I'm not exactly saying he is a first-line center, but the potential and pedigree is there if he really wanted it; and there would be quite a few teams he could do it on. He fits really well as a third line center, but there is more to be tapped even as a second liner at the very least. I've already seen rumblings that they're going to move Eric to the wing so Jordan can center him on the top line. I think that's a little far-fetched. I'd rather see the Staals as a 1-2 than anything, and maybe PP together. There are a few teams he could be a number 1 center on because they're weak at that position. There's just absolutely no evidence of him being capable of putting up the kind of numbers required to be a number 1 center. Crosby was out most of the year so Jordan Staal wasn't on the third line pretty much the entire year, which is why I cited the 50 points. Players like Kesler, Seguin and Couture have shown themselves more capable of putting up good offensive numbers while playing on the 2nd line. Jordan Staal would fit as a 2nd line center in a two way role. | ||
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Flaccid
8865 Posts
On June 26 2012 08:56 Orcasgt24 wrote: 8 of the top 10 picks in this years draft were defencemen. Draft class 2012 was very rich on the blueline. Alot of these guys will be NHL Top 6 or better d-men in 3 or less years. Murray, Reinhart, and maybe Reiley play in the NHL outta camp. Normally I would agree that drafting defence high is very risky but 8 NHL teams worth of scouts must have known this year was a different ball game. Its never a bad thing to draft a player like Yakupov but we already have RNH, Eberle and Hall. Something somewhere has got to give. Even with Horcoff and Hemskys oversized contacts set to expire in 2-3 years + Surrays buyout expiring, how are we gonna sign those 4 guys? I suppose time will tell and it'll be interesting to see where these guys end up. I could certainly end up eating these words some day. Still, personally I found the heavy emphasis on defensemen in the year's draft to be as much about the lack of stand-out forward talent as anything. I've heard this draft class referred to as "Snow white and the 29 dwarfs" which somewhat echoes my own feelings. edit: Just found a good analysis of the o vs. d in the draft thing for those who might be interested: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4710 | ||
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Flaccid
8865 Posts
![[image loading]](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1201522/penguins_usage.PNG) "Here kid, you can do all of the heavy lifting in your own end with shitty line-mates so that Malkin can go up against the soft parade and win Hart Trophies." edit: In all honesty, Staal's numbers are very good given how he is used. Not many people put up 2+ points/60 in that situation like he did. Tough to score goals when most of them come short-handed. | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On June 26 2012 18:51 GolemMadness wrote: There are a few teams he could be a number 1 center on because they're weak at that position. There's just absolutely no evidence of him being capable of putting up the kind of numbers required to be a number 1 center. Crosby was out most of the year so Jordan Staal wasn't on the third line pretty much the entire year, which is why I cited the 50 points. Players like Kesler, Seguin and Couture have shown themselves more capable of putting up good offensive numbers while playing on the 2nd line. Jordan Staal would fit as a 2nd line center in a two way role. Crosby was out most of the year, yes, which made him the second line center. Bylsma kept him with his third line wingers, both of which, in my opinion are fringe NHLers. Kennedy offers nothing but the same shot out of the corner, don't know how goalies keep getting beat by it seeing as it's all he does, and we all know about Matt Cooke. Are these second line wingers? Not even close. There are special players that make everyone around them better and then there are top line centers that are good, but not special. Is he one of those special players? Not right now, no. Can he be? For sure. He still has size to fill out and add some weight and increased minutes. Everyone thinks two way game with him because that is the role he was forced into most of the time. He gets no PP time, plays against everyone's top line, plays a shift or two on every PK, and plays with turds. He's going to do better in a better situation. The talent and size are there and anyone who has watched him play regularly has seen him take it to another level where he's just impossible to move off of the puck. EDIT: If someone out there knows a resource where I can look at Staal's TOI with other players, I'd be interested to see what his TOI was w/ Cooke and Kennedy versus any legitimate player. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Staal played with Kennedy/Dupuis/Cooke for about 40% of his toi. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Evgeni Malkin's were James Neal(80.6% of Malkins toi was with him!), Chris Kunitz and Paul Martin edit: ahh i got beat the to punch!!! | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Haha. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 26 2012 23:11 iCanada wrote: Us Edmontonians dont have much to do other than salivate over advanced statistics. Haha. You kidding me? You can go on waterslides, submarines, and a sick mini putt course in a mall! | ||
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Flaccid
8865 Posts
The more you know. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32106 Posts
His career stats are 70-79-25, 2.99/.907. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4052 Here's the logic that his agent, Obi-Wa–err, Alan Walsh—used to swindle managment into agreeing to that: "Let's say Carey Price is at 7 years and $6 million a year. Devan Dubnyk's going to hit $3 million. Tuukka Rask is going to hit $3 million. Cory Schneider is going to hit $3 million. There's a new wave of goalies taking over No. 1 starting jobs in the NHL from the older guard. Between those goalies, statistically and in experience at a No. 1 goalie, Pavs should be slotted under Price," said Walsh. "The question was how far he should be slotted under Price; but he should be slotted ahead of Dubnyk, Schneider and Rask. That's the essence of the negotiation." Mind you Tukka had a 1.97/.931/5 year only two seasons ago while starting 40 and playing in a bunch more. Basically, Schneider and Rask are gonna get $5+ this season lol. To shamelessly steal a joke from another site: Hey Ondrej, what do you think of your new deal? ![[image loading]](http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x149/djexile27/pavlec.jpg) also Nail was on twitter last night causing a ruckus http://deadspin.com/5921351/top-nhl-draft-pick-nail-yakupovs-wild-night-on-twitter | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
The Mall isn't even the exciting part. Its all about dem festivals. Soon there gonna be a new festival every ten minutes. EDIT: Also, you should check out Nail Yakupov's Twitter feed. https://twitter.com/#!/Nail10_1993 Edmontons puck bunnies out in full force. | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On June 26 2012 22:48 iCanada wrote: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f4=C&f5=PIT&c=0 1 3 5 8 29 31 33 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28# Staal played with Kennedy/Dupuis/Cooke for about 40% of his toi. I would wager to guess most of the Dupuis time was from the PK. Awesome site though, thanks. Actually, I guess not since that was 5v5. I'm really surprised to see him that high. If you go back to the disaster season that was 10-11 Kennedy at 56% and Cooke at 34%. Only people in-between are D-man. | ||
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