EPTbut im suprised that these things could happen on lans, it shouldn't be that hard to just record every action on a pc right?
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
but im suprised that these things could happen on lans, it shouldn't be that hard to just record every action on a pc right? | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
They can achieve instant success only by a bit more more accuracy and shorter reaction times or cheat. Give a man aimbot and he will be Pro in CS. Give a man no-FOW and Parting will still beat the living shi* out of him (In Starcraft) Short: CS + Cheat = Instant success ! And it's a kiddy magnet. That's sadly the very nature of CS. I | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:31 DPK wrote: I disagree completely on this. While sure Valve could've been a little more open to talk with Titan about the situation, I completely agree with their decision. It's Titan fault for hiring a hacker and let him do whatever he wants. They didn't act professionally in the first place since they let one of their players play with hacks and look what happen. IMHO, they completely deserve it, no matter how harsh their sanction was. It should be a wake up call to all organizations to make sure their players do act professionally and not like some 12yo who thinks it's cool to play with hacks, else they might get ban from tournaments and thus will be loosing money and maybe even sponsors. Like you said, these teams have a lot of money involved, it should be one of their primary concern to be sure that none of their players hack, no matter where and when. Especially when you think about the reputation it will give to these organizations when one of their players get caught. The blame here is on Titan and Titan alone. The ban from DW is harsh but completely deserved in my book. I don't quite agree with you on this. You make it look like titan knew he was cheating and they still hired him. I mean you don't hire a clerk in your store if you know he's gonna steal from you and i doubt it they knew he was cheating while he was in titan. What you suggest is that every org checks personally pc's of their players every week/month whatever to ensure they aren't cheating (noble idea) but that would mean that either they have their players in teamhouses all the time or that they visit them at home and check which is impossible in both cases. For me, the blame here is purely on qkaly (or however you spell his name). Like i said, you can't know that somebody is stealing from you until you discover it. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:47 plgElwood wrote: I like that CS:GO has been given all the cool features (like effortless match making, spectating friends, ranks etc., Models with ClanTags etc..) but it will not overcome the (young) people who are generally attracted to simple shooters. Neither will the short lived careers of CS-Pros help They can achieve instant success only by a bit more more accuracy and shorter reaction times or cheat. Give a man aimbot and he will be Pro in CS. Give a man no-FOW and Parting will still beat the living shi* out of him (In Starcraft) Short: CS + Cheat = Instant success ! And it's a kiddy magnet. That's sadly the very nature of CS. I Short-lived career of CS pros? You know most of these guys have been around the same length of time if not longer than SC2 pros? You have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:47 plgElwood wrote: I like that CS:GO has been given all the cool features (like effortless match making, spectating friends, ranks etc., Models with ClanTags etc..) but it will not overcome the (young) people who are generally attracted to simple shooters. Neither will the short lived careers of CS-Pros help They can achieve instant success only by a bit more more accuracy and shorter reaction times or cheat. Give a man aimbot and he will be Pro in CS. Give a man no-FOW and Parting will still beat the living shi* out of him (In Starcraft) Short: CS + Cheat = Instant success ! And it's a kiddy magnet. That's sadly the very nature of CS. I Except the only reason a cheat like this works without any suspicion (up until now) is because you already have to be somewhat good at the game. As thorin said, if you're already at the top then this cheat will just make you look like you're having a good game (or day), making you 1.2 times the player you normally are. This isn't the same as blatantly aimbotting because that will be extremely suspicious and easy to catch. You have to realize this cheat has been around for a year, and its taken us this long to start a witch hunt, which wouldn't have even started if 3 people didn't get vac'ed. There was literally zero suspicion about top players cheating because they performed good on lans, but with a cheat like this it would be hard to tell even if you were standing behind flusha at lan. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2076 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:02 sharkeyanti wrote: Lurppis wrote an article talking about the laxness of LAN events with regards to competitive standards, and it's just baffling when you compare it to Starcraft, or as he said himself the CS1.6 event circuit. Why do players need to go online? Why do they need 30 minutes to warm up? Yeah, I don't know about the specifics of what's necessary and what's not, but the LANs definitely need to step up their game. The whole cheat-free LAN environment is a huge thing for the whole credibility of the the top level play. The witch hunt pretty much started from the point where the LAN security got questioned. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:58 Capped wrote: Short-lived career of CS pros? You know most of these guys have been around the same length of time if not longer than SC2 pros? You have no idea what you're talking about. to me it seems that the cs pros have a longer lifespan than most forgeirn sc pros that could be because the scene used to be alot smaller. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:58 Capped wrote: Short-lived career of CS pros? You know most of these guys have been around the same length of time if not longer than SC2 pros? You have no idea what you're talking about. to me it seems that the cs pros have a longer lifespan than most forgeirn sc pros that could be because the scene used to be alot smaller. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
http://gfycat.com/PleasantUnluckyJaeger#?speed=0.125 | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 24 2014 05:05 DPK wrote: Do you guys think that there's a possibility that one day, Valve would adopt/integrate ESEA anti-cheat into VAC? I mean, clearly ESEA anti-cheat is better than VAC and they recently both worked together to ban SMN. It would be a good step in the right direction seeing how VAC doesn't do a great job and doesn't seem to improve a whole lot. The only reason the ESEA anti-cheat is better is because ESEA has way less players playing on it compared to MM. Thus, it is not extremely profitable for cheat providers to develop cheats for this platform. They still exist tho and work. The reason ESEA worked with Valve to get the cheaters is because they got a tip there by a guy who wanted revenge on a cheat provider (supex0 or w/e his name is). The coders at Valve in charge of VAC have to be, no doubt, some of the most talented there. Develloping an anti-cheat is extremely hard and requires a ton of knowledge. The problem is, it is a race, and the cheat providers are very talented too and take it seriously as it is their job. This is an especially hard task with a game like csgo because performance needs to be maintained and so there is a limitation to what the anti-cheat can check on-the-fly. Most of the time, the only way to catch a private cheat is to get a tip from someone using it, and that can be very difficult with the most private ones. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:02 Capped wrote: Haha this ones fun. http://gfycat.com/PleasantUnluckyJaeger#?speed=0.125 The thing I don't understand with these gifs / clips is that it is VERY easy to check for occlusion for the cheat. That is, checking if there is a wall between you and the other player. Cheats should not auto-aim on people through walls period unless they are badly coded, which I highly doubt from such an expensive private hack. All in all, something doesn't convince from all the cherry-picked clips. It is very easy to find coincidences of yourself tracking people through walls if you look at your own replays, which doesn't mean you are cheating. It is just bound to happen when you play a lot. Also, why would the cheat track when you are not shooting, makes no sense. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:55 Djzapz wrote: I once got kicked from a casual server by my own team because the guy on the other side said "lol we can see you aiming through walls". =_= well apparently they had the superior hack to spot yours and rightfully kicked you :p | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
they were using the same supex0 cheat that KQLY and SF were using | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:59 Faruko wrote: Theres rumour that 2 VAC bans coming tonight (which i dont know what time is it lol) they were using the same supex0 cheat that KQLY and SF were using You mean this http://www.hltv.org/forum/681610-moe-says-two-gonna-be-vacced-tonight? Or this http://www.hltv.org/forum/681696-nem-vac-bans-incoming? :D Anyway, I really doubt it. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On November 24 2014 08:08 Roggay wrote: You mean this http://www.hltv.org/forum/681610-moe-says-two-gonna-be-vacced-tonight? Or this http://www.hltv.org/forum/681696-nem-vac-bans-incoming? :D Anyway, I really doubt it. it was the first, but to be fair, i was watching the stream :p | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 24 2014 08:10 Faruko wrote: it was the first, but to be fair, i was watching the stream :p Me too, which is part of the reason why im really doubting it. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
but Valve needs to adress this, this is getting out of hands look at this http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=681670#r6851226 this is completely fucked up | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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