On November 23 2014 11:59 Nagisama wrote: For something the community has no control over (VAC), it seems really dumb to be calling out pros for cheating. Call it out and pull out the shady frag vids, after they've been VAC'd or banned by some other anti cheat client. Calling out specific pros doesn't help valve ban cheaters any faster.
Communities have found and extradited bad apples this way for centuries. Suspicions arise, Investigations happen, People are found out, Said people are gotten rid of by the law or not.
There are 100's of games with shit anticheats, uncaring companies and rampant hacking, the communities of each and every one of these games dispose of them themselves through very similar methods. (I never played 1.6 / source but i imagine it being very similar for those. Especially 1.6)
There are thousands of real life examples large, big and small that used the same concept of (lets call it) "community investigation" to out a shitter.
This is a very common and well known thing to do, yet because CSGO has a large scene, a big company and tournaments behind it apparently its bad/wrong to do so?
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Im not talking about "witchhunting" specific players. But posting suspicious videos and discussing them isn't "witchhunting", the mass spamming of "LOL WHO GO VACATION NEXT OLOFM JW KIOSHIMA" posts/threads/retardspam on HLTV / Reddit / elsewhere is, but nobody with a brain takes that shit seriously.
Clearly, VAC isn't foolproof and it isnt doing its fucking job well enough, Valve had to seek outside aid from ESEA to catch out SNM/KQLY/SF and are still getting outside help to get the rest (if there are any).
The best part about all this? Theres big enough support FROM companies like valve / ESEA / Dreamhack that any "witchhunted" players will be proven innocent/guilty either way once the dust settles and people will forget. That sort of nasty ass witchhunting might ruin careers elsewhere but it wont in CSGO - if they aren't guilty nothing will come of it. No team is going to boot a player because HLTV spams hate or posts a couple of clutch .gifs after they're found innocent via the untold shit they're no doubt going to go through (Investigations from multiple angles, increased "security" at LAN's, Banwaves etc.)
The worst part? Theres probably a whole bunch more hackers out there and a whole bunch who will get away with it because they covered their tracks too.
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tl;dr - there is nothing wrong with discussing suspicions and it does more good then harm.
so you say we live in a cruel and unjust world not called fairy tail? and people from the internet will help fix that?
#WhatWouldBatmanDo
#Let'sDoThisBruce
Im not sure if im too tired to understand this
but what?
I understand the temptation to question everything now, but the CS community is a cesspit and more harm will come from the accusations than good. It's just getting even more toxic now, I would not blame the cheating players - sure they are shitbirds and not worth a cup of cold piss - though Valve are the ones that let it happen in the first place with completely neglecting the cheater problem, while making a ton of money with the game. The pox to Valve and their bullshit business practices - until they fix it.
I have to wonder how 'bullshit' those business practices actually are from a business standpoint. How much money can they put into developing VAC without getting diminishing returns? How much money do they actually gain from putting the money into VAC? How much can they really do to prevent hacks at LAN events like ESL One, Dreamhack, etc?
As much as it sucks that cheaters exist, I don't think it's fair to call the amount of effort Valve puts into anti-cheating practices "bullshit business practices."
I know we just talked about throwing accusations, but someone apparently dug this one up from ESL Cologne:
I try to remain neutral, but Flusha certainly has some of these weird moments. I'll try to dig up a full match cast or demo for closer look, but it certainly looks like a real thing.
Edit: Yup, you can see it in the full ESL Cast too.
it's understandable to worry not to fall into witchunt pit, but judging by latest posts of people who actually hacked/created hacks (supposedly the creator of the best hacks told his story yesterday on hltv) they contacted Valve and other orgs and they just shunned them away although they had evidence of people cheating. Until valve takes some deciding steps to either improve their anti cheat or to take some stuff more seriously unfortunately this is the only way we may find hackers.
Agreed that it's ugly and that it shouldn't come to this, but from what i've seen it's almost the only tool we have to catch cheaters.
On November 23 2014 11:59 Nagisama wrote: For something the community has no control over (VAC), it seems really dumb to be calling out pros for cheating. Call it out and pull out the shady frag vids, after they've been VAC'd or banned by some other anti cheat client. Calling out specific pros doesn't help valve ban cheaters any faster.
Communities have found and extradited bad apples this way for centuries. Suspicions arise, Investigations happen, People are found out, Said people are gotten rid of by the law or not.
There are 100's of games with shit anticheats, uncaring companies and rampant hacking, the communities of each and every one of these games dispose of them themselves through very similar methods. (I never played 1.6 / source but i imagine it being very similar for those. Especially 1.6)
There are thousands of real life examples large, big and small that used the same concept of (lets call it) "community investigation" to out a shitter.
This is a very common and well known thing to do, yet because CSGO has a large scene, a big company and tournaments behind it apparently its bad/wrong to do so?
---
Im not talking about "witchhunting" specific players. But posting suspicious videos and discussing them isn't "witchhunting", the mass spamming of "LOL WHO GO VACATION NEXT OLOFM JW KIOSHIMA" posts/threads/retardspam on HLTV / Reddit / elsewhere is, but nobody with a brain takes that shit seriously.
Clearly, VAC isn't foolproof and it isnt doing its fucking job well enough, Valve had to seek outside aid from ESEA to catch out SNM/KQLY/SF and are still getting outside help to get the rest (if there are any).
The best part about all this? Theres big enough support FROM companies like valve / ESEA / Dreamhack that any "witchhunted" players will be proven innocent/guilty either way once the dust settles and people will forget. That sort of nasty ass witchhunting might ruin careers elsewhere but it wont in CSGO - if they aren't guilty nothing will come of it. No team is going to boot a player because HLTV spams hate or posts a couple of clutch .gifs after they're found innocent via the untold shit they're no doubt going to go through (Investigations from multiple angles, increased "security" at LAN's, Banwaves etc.)
The worst part? Theres probably a whole bunch more hackers out there and a whole bunch who will get away with it because they covered their tracks too.
-
tl;dr - there is nothing wrong with discussing suspicions and it does more good then harm.
so you say we live in a cruel and unjust world not called fairy tail? and people from the internet will help fix that?
#WhatWouldBatmanDo
#Let'sDoThisBruce
Im not sure if im too tired to understand this
but what?
I understand the temptation to question everything now, but the CS community is a cesspit and more harm will come from the accusations than good. It's just getting even more toxic now, I would not blame the cheating players - sure they are shitbirds and not worth a cup of cold piss - though Valve are the ones that let it happen in the first place with completely neglecting the cheater problem, while making a ton of money with the game. The pox to Valve and their bullshit business practices - until they fix it.
I have to wonder how 'bullshit' those business practices actually are from a business standpoint. How much money can they put into developing VAC without getting diminishing returns? How much money do they actually gain from putting the money into VAC? How much can they really do to prevent hacks at LAN events like ESL One, Dreamhack, etc?
As much as it sucks that cheaters exist, I don't think it's fair to call the amount of effort Valve puts into anti-cheating practices "bullshit business practices."
not taking care of your game you try to establish as a legitimate esport and grow is bullshit business practice. the bottom line is nice, but the damage you do to the brand by neglecting and the loss in popularity has potential to wipe that smug of investor's faces.
and please - they monetized about every aspect of the game... but apparently spend not enough on their anti hacking efforts.
On November 23 2014 11:59 Nagisama wrote: For something the community has no control over (VAC), it seems really dumb to be calling out pros for cheating. Call it out and pull out the shady frag vids, after they've been VAC'd or banned by some other anti cheat client. Calling out specific pros doesn't help valve ban cheaters any faster.
Communities have found and extradited bad apples this way for centuries. Suspicions arise, Investigations happen, People are found out, Said people are gotten rid of by the law or not.
There are 100's of games with shit anticheats, uncaring companies and rampant hacking, the communities of each and every one of these games dispose of them themselves through very similar methods. (I never played 1.6 / source but i imagine it being very similar for those. Especially 1.6)
There are thousands of real life examples large, big and small that used the same concept of (lets call it) "community investigation" to out a shitter.
This is a very common and well known thing to do, yet because CSGO has a large scene, a big company and tournaments behind it apparently its bad/wrong to do so?
---
Im not talking about "witchhunting" specific players. But posting suspicious videos and discussing them isn't "witchhunting", the mass spamming of "LOL WHO GO VACATION NEXT OLOFM JW KIOSHIMA" posts/threads/retardspam on HLTV / Reddit / elsewhere is, but nobody with a brain takes that shit seriously.
Clearly, VAC isn't foolproof and it isnt doing its fucking job well enough, Valve had to seek outside aid from ESEA to catch out SNM/KQLY/SF and are still getting outside help to get the rest (if there are any).
The best part about all this? Theres big enough support FROM companies like valve / ESEA / Dreamhack that any "witchhunted" players will be proven innocent/guilty either way once the dust settles and people will forget. That sort of nasty ass witchhunting might ruin careers elsewhere but it wont in CSGO - if they aren't guilty nothing will come of it. No team is going to boot a player because HLTV spams hate or posts a couple of clutch .gifs after they're found innocent via the untold shit they're no doubt going to go through (Investigations from multiple angles, increased "security" at LAN's, Banwaves etc.)
The worst part? Theres probably a whole bunch more hackers out there and a whole bunch who will get away with it because they covered their tracks too.
-
tl;dr - there is nothing wrong with discussing suspicions and it does more good then harm.
so you say we live in a cruel and unjust world not called fairy tail? and people from the internet will help fix that?
#WhatWouldBatmanDo
#Let'sDoThisBruce
Im not sure if im too tired to understand this
but what?
I understand the temptation to question everything now, but the CS community is a cesspit and more harm will come from the accusations than good. It's just getting even more toxic now, I would not blame the cheating players - sure they are shitbirds and not worth a cup of cold piss - though Valve are the ones that let it happen in the first place with completely neglecting the cheater problem, while making a ton of money with the game. The pox to Valve and their bullshit business practices - until they fix it.
I have to wonder how 'bullshit' those business practices actually are from a business standpoint. How much money can they put into developing VAC without getting diminishing returns? How much money do they actually gain from putting the money into VAC? How much can they really do to prevent hacks at LAN events like ESL One, Dreamhack, etc?
As much as it sucks that cheaters exist, I don't think it's fair to call the amount of effort Valve puts into anti-cheating practices "bullshit business practices."
not taking care of your game you try to establish as a legitimate esport and grow is bullshit business practice. the bottom line is nice, but the damage you do to the brand by neglecting and the loss in popularity has potential to wipe that smug of investor's faces.
and please - they monetized about every aspect of the game... but apparently spend not enough on their anti hacking efforts.
I don't see any proof that they're not working on it. Quite the opposite in fact. Fact is that VAC bans are happening, and they caught some pro players in the act, and while perhaps this is not enough to appease the community, they are working on it.
I also don't see how they're not doing their best to take care of the game. Maybe their best isn't good enough for your expectations, but at the same time I'm sure they have to think about how important this is in comparison to maintaining servers, growing the rest of the company, and further developing the rest of the game among other things. Personally, if their best involves balancing out anti-cheater precautions as opposed to their company, I'm ok with that.
On November 23 2014 11:59 Nagisama wrote: For something the community has no control over (VAC), it seems really dumb to be calling out pros for cheating. Call it out and pull out the shady frag vids, after they've been VAC'd or banned by some other anti cheat client. Calling out specific pros doesn't help valve ban cheaters any faster.
Communities have found and extradited bad apples this way for centuries. Suspicions arise, Investigations happen, People are found out, Said people are gotten rid of by the law or not.
There are 100's of games with shit anticheats, uncaring companies and rampant hacking, the communities of each and every one of these games dispose of them themselves through very similar methods. (I never played 1.6 / source but i imagine it being very similar for those. Especially 1.6)
There are thousands of real life examples large, big and small that used the same concept of (lets call it) "community investigation" to out a shitter.
This is a very common and well known thing to do, yet because CSGO has a large scene, a big company and tournaments behind it apparently its bad/wrong to do so?
---
Im not talking about "witchhunting" specific players. But posting suspicious videos and discussing them isn't "witchhunting", the mass spamming of "LOL WHO GO VACATION NEXT OLOFM JW KIOSHIMA" posts/threads/retardspam on HLTV / Reddit / elsewhere is, but nobody with a brain takes that shit seriously.
Clearly, VAC isn't foolproof and it isnt doing its fucking job well enough, Valve had to seek outside aid from ESEA to catch out SNM/KQLY/SF and are still getting outside help to get the rest (if there are any).
The best part about all this? Theres big enough support FROM companies like valve / ESEA / Dreamhack that any "witchhunted" players will be proven innocent/guilty either way once the dust settles and people will forget. That sort of nasty ass witchhunting might ruin careers elsewhere but it wont in CSGO - if they aren't guilty nothing will come of it. No team is going to boot a player because HLTV spams hate or posts a couple of clutch .gifs after they're found innocent via the untold shit they're no doubt going to go through (Investigations from multiple angles, increased "security" at LAN's, Banwaves etc.)
The worst part? Theres probably a whole bunch more hackers out there and a whole bunch who will get away with it because they covered their tracks too.
-
tl;dr - there is nothing wrong with discussing suspicions and it does more good then harm.
so you say we live in a cruel and unjust world not called fairy tail? and people from the internet will help fix that?
#WhatWouldBatmanDo
#Let'sDoThisBruce
Im not sure if im too tired to understand this
but what?
I understand the temptation to question everything now, but the CS community is a cesspit and more harm will come from the accusations than good. It's just getting even more toxic now, I would not blame the cheating players - sure they are shitbirds and not worth a cup of cold piss - though Valve are the ones that let it happen in the first place with completely neglecting the cheater problem, while making a ton of money with the game. The pox to Valve and their bullshit business practices - until they fix it.
I have to wonder how 'bullshit' those business practices actually are from a business standpoint. How much money can they put into developing VAC without getting diminishing returns? How much money do they actually gain from putting the money into VAC? How much can they really do to prevent hacks at LAN events like ESL One, Dreamhack, etc?
As much as it sucks that cheaters exist, I don't think it's fair to call the amount of effort Valve puts into anti-cheating practices "bullshit business practices."
not taking care of your game you try to establish as a legitimate esport and grow is bullshit business practice. the bottom line is nice, but the damage you do to the brand by neglecting and the loss in popularity has potential to wipe that smug of investor's faces.
and please - they monetized about every aspect of the game... but apparently spend not enough on their anti hacking efforts.
I don't see any proof that they're not working on it. Quite the opposite in fact. Fact is that VAC bans are happening, and they caught some pro players in the act, and while perhaps this is not enough to appease the community, they are working on it.
I also don't see how they're not doing their best to take care of the game. Maybe their best isn't good enough for your expectations, but at the same time I'm sure they have to think about how important this is in comparison to maintaining servers, growing the rest of the company, and further developing the rest of the game among other things. Personally, if their best involves balancing out anti-cheater precautions as opposed to their company, I'm ok with that.
who said that? I said they don't do enough and neglected one of the key aspects of a competitive game - maintaining a level playing field over a considerable amount of time. I can see you are patriotic and as an American money is very important, but try to look at the bigger picture please.
On November 23 2014 11:59 Nagisama wrote: For something the community has no control over (VAC), it seems really dumb to be calling out pros for cheating. Call it out and pull out the shady frag vids, after they've been VAC'd or banned by some other anti cheat client. Calling out specific pros doesn't help valve ban cheaters any faster.
Communities have found and extradited bad apples this way for centuries. Suspicions arise, Investigations happen, People are found out, Said people are gotten rid of by the law or not.
There are 100's of games with shit anticheats, uncaring companies and rampant hacking, the communities of each and every one of these games dispose of them themselves through very similar methods. (I never played 1.6 / source but i imagine it being very similar for those. Especially 1.6)
There are thousands of real life examples large, big and small that used the same concept of (lets call it) "community investigation" to out a shitter.
This is a very common and well known thing to do, yet because CSGO has a large scene, a big company and tournaments behind it apparently its bad/wrong to do so?
---
Im not talking about "witchhunting" specific players. But posting suspicious videos and discussing them isn't "witchhunting", the mass spamming of "LOL WHO GO VACATION NEXT OLOFM JW KIOSHIMA" posts/threads/retardspam on HLTV / Reddit / elsewhere is, but nobody with a brain takes that shit seriously.
Clearly, VAC isn't foolproof and it isnt doing its fucking job well enough, Valve had to seek outside aid from ESEA to catch out SNM/KQLY/SF and are still getting outside help to get the rest (if there are any).
The best part about all this? Theres big enough support FROM companies like valve / ESEA / Dreamhack that any "witchhunted" players will be proven innocent/guilty either way once the dust settles and people will forget. That sort of nasty ass witchhunting might ruin careers elsewhere but it wont in CSGO - if they aren't guilty nothing will come of it. No team is going to boot a player because HLTV spams hate or posts a couple of clutch .gifs after they're found innocent via the untold shit they're no doubt going to go through (Investigations from multiple angles, increased "security" at LAN's, Banwaves etc.)
The worst part? Theres probably a whole bunch more hackers out there and a whole bunch who will get away with it because they covered their tracks too.
-
tl;dr - there is nothing wrong with discussing suspicions and it does more good then harm.
so you say we live in a cruel and unjust world not called fairy tail? and people from the internet will help fix that?
#WhatWouldBatmanDo
#Let'sDoThisBruce
Im not sure if im too tired to understand this
but what?
I understand the temptation to question everything now, but the CS community is a cesspit and more harm will come from the accusations than good. It's just getting even more toxic now, I would not blame the cheating players - sure they are shitbirds and not worth a cup of cold piss - though Valve are the ones that let it happen in the first place with completely neglecting the cheater problem, while making a ton of money with the game. The pox to Valve and their bullshit business practices - until they fix it.
I have to wonder how 'bullshit' those business practices actually are from a business standpoint. How much money can they put into developing VAC without getting diminishing returns? How much money do they actually gain from putting the money into VAC? How much can they really do to prevent hacks at LAN events like ESL One, Dreamhack, etc?
As much as it sucks that cheaters exist, I don't think it's fair to call the amount of effort Valve puts into anti-cheating practices "bullshit business practices."
not taking care of your game you try to establish as a legitimate esport and grow is bullshit business practice. the bottom line is nice, but the damage you do to the brand by neglecting and the loss in popularity has potential to wipe that smug of investor's faces.
and please - they monetized about every aspect of the game... but apparently spend not enough on their anti hacking efforts.
I don't see any proof that they're not working on it. Quite the opposite in fact. Fact is that VAC bans are happening, and they caught some pro players in the act, and while perhaps this is not enough to appease the community, they are working on it.
I also don't see how they're not doing their best to take care of the game. Maybe their best isn't good enough for your expectations, but at the same time I'm sure they have to think about how important this is in comparison to maintaining servers, growing the rest of the company, and further developing the rest of the game among other things. Personally, if their best involves balancing out anti-cheater precautions as opposed to their company, I'm ok with that.
who said that? I said they don't do enough and neglected one of the key aspects of a competitive game - maintaining a level playing field over a considerable amount of time. I can see you are patriotic and as an American money is very important, but try to look at the bigger picture please.
and look up how much valve makes.
I apologize. I read your first line of your previous post and I thought that it meant that you thought that they weren't working on the game.
I don't believe that there is any reason to believe that they are neglecting anti-cheat software or precautions. If they will probably lose money by neglecting it, as a business it make sense for them to work on it, therefore I believe that they are based on this as well as reports of VAC ban waves among other factors.
I don't see how being patriotic has anything to do with this discussion. To be honest, I'm very surprised that you brought it up.
Again, as much as it would ease your mind -and many others- to see that Valve is spending thousands, or even millions of dollars to bring hackers to justice, they probably have other plans for the money which will give them a monetary or other type of gain rather than sinking money into something which may not have a return that compares to their investment in a remotely favorable way.
In addition, the market for CSGO skins and the market for esports don't seem to be intertwined from my point of view. Perhaps this is a flawed way of thinking, but I don't see why Valve would spend more than a little money from one part to improve the other. Obviously they should improve the game where possible, but I don't think that dumping money into something solves problems.
VAC could be stronger at detecting cheats than it currently is but that would require making it more invasive and that would probably raise an uproar
I mean there was a time when VAC ran some DNS checks to scan for people's PC's making a "call" to a specific cheat's website and when it came to light it was seen as a huge scandal and invasion on people's privacy and Gabe had to make an official statement on /r/gaming to clear the air
Again, as much as it would ease your mind -and many others- to see that Valve is spending thousands, or even millions of dollars to bring hackers to justice, they probably have other plans for the money which will give them a monetary or other type of gain rather than sinking money into something which may not have a return that compares to their investment in a remotely favorable way.
And that is one of the main reasons we can't have nice things. And my biggest point of critizism.
On November 23 2014 22:43 Fencar wrote: So you are venting because they're acting like a business?
ye. an established business already way in the green and with the biggest digital platform to sell PC games on earth, a quasi monopoly.
and then they even get praised for their smart business decision not to invest more in anti cheating lol. that's the kind of thinking that allowed for chevy not fixing that ignition key issue.
On November 23 2014 22:43 Fencar wrote: So you are venting because they're acting like a business?
ye. an established business already way in the green and with the biggest digital platform to sell PC games on earth, a quasi monopoly.
and then they even get praised for their smart business decision not to invest more in anti cheating lol. that's the kind of thinking that allowed for chevy not fixing that ignition key issue.
I don't know about chevy, but I don't know if I'm praising Valve for their business practices. Defending, yes. Praising? I don't know. I'd be a lot happier if their servers were 128 tick and it only took 2 clicks to mute someone in-game instead of 3, but I don't resent them for choosing to spend money on other pursuits.
As much as I'd love if they -and other companies- would spend more time and money to polish their games, there's a point where they just won't gain very much if anything from further improving their products.
I dunno man. gain more loyal customers? having happy customers is overrated nowadays apparently... and please, this is not the same as a wishlist with 128 tick servers or some minor issue... this is game breaking.
On November 23 2014 23:01 Doublemint wrote: I dunno man. gain more loyal customers? having happy customers is overrated nowadays apparently... and please, this is not the same as a wishlist with 128 tick servers or some minor issue... this is game breaking.
That's true, and also pretty much why they're still working on their anti-cheat software, as opposed to 128 tick servers or fiddling with the UI because one guy has a pet peeve with one minor aspect of it.
On November 23 2014 22:05 iv~nk~j wrote: that flusha vid is fucking stupid, he doesn't even fire when the crosshair is on the enemy but slightly to above and left of him
people are actually using slowed down youtube videos as proof, youtube videos that are showing 16 tick gotv footage
and people in reddit for example are saying his aim perfectly locks on edward's head.. haha the confirmation bias is staggering
Just to be clear, what was your setup for screenshot? I can definitely agree it doesn't seem to be completely on target, but there's so much inconsistency on the demo that it's bloody hard to tell anything precisely. The bullet itself doesn't seem to hit anywhere on the precise crosshair trajectory.
Either way, the vid has causes a pretty big uproar. NiP coach is apparently demanding ban on Flusha. Things are getting ugly.
On November 23 2014 22:05 iv~nk~j wrote: that flusha vid is fucking stupid, he doesn't even fire when the crosshair is on the enemy but slightly to above and left of him
people are actually using slowed down youtube videos as proof, youtube videos that are showing 16 tick gotv footage
and people in reddit for example are saying his aim perfectly locks on edward's head.. haha the confirmation bias is staggering
Just to be clear, what was your setup for screenshot? I can definitely agree it doesn't seem to be completely on target, but there's so much inconsistency on the demo that it's bloody hard to tell anything precisely. The bullet itself doesn't seem to hit anywhere on the precise crosshair trajectory.
Either way, the vid has causes a pretty big uproar. NiP coach is apparently demanding ban on Flusha. Things are getting ugly.
Edit: NiP coach, not manager
tz. cheap. and fueled by that stupid witchhunt and speculation, he should at least keep the tweet and have the guts to run with it instead of trying to undo something on social media... -_-
Just want to double-check one thing. Can AWP bullets penetrate this wall? IIRC I think that I got a lucky shoot through this wall in one of my games.
On November 23 2014 23:10 Bacillus wrote: Either way, the vid has causes a pretty big uproar. NiP coach is apparently demanding ban on Flusha. Things are getting ugly.
Edit: NiP coach, not manager
What the.... Lets hope this whole situation don't turn into a witch hunt (more than it already has)
On November 23 2014 22:05 iv~nk~j wrote: that flusha vid is fucking stupid, he doesn't even fire when the crosshair is on the enemy but slightly to above and left of him
people are actually using slowed down youtube videos as proof, youtube videos that are showing 16 tick gotv footage
and people in reddit for example are saying his aim perfectly locks on edward's head.. haha the confirmation bias is staggering
Just to be clear, what was your setup for screenshot? I can definitely agree it doesn't seem to be completely on target, but there's so much inconsistency on the demo that it's bloody hard to tell anything precisely. The bullet itself doesn't seem to hit anywhere on the precise crosshair trajectory.
Either way, the vid has causes a pretty big uproar. NiP coach is apparently demanding ban on Flusha. Things are getting ugly.
Edit: NiP coach, not manager
pita already deleted his tweet
and yes it's true that taking screencaps of a youtube vid like that doesn't really prove anything towards either flusha's innocence or guiltiness, i'm just showing that this supposed proof people are using doesn't even confirm what they are accusing flusha of (that his crosshair snaps to edward's head and fires)
EPT
