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NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
November 23 2014 14:35 GMT
#13841
Innocent until proven guilty. Personally, I don't doubt for a second that he used hacks (there's just too many crazy headshot incidents that come together for flusha, a lot of pros agree and, maybe the most condemning thing, as usual, is his response) but we'll have to wait until he actually gets a VAC ban to condemn him.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 14:38:45
November 23 2014 14:38 GMT
#13842
On November 23 2014 23:23 iv~nk~j wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 23:10 Bacillus wrote:
On November 23 2014 22:05 iv~nk~j wrote:
that flusha vid is fucking stupid, he doesn't even fire when the crosshair is on the enemy but slightly to above and left of him

people are actually using slowed down youtube videos as proof, youtube videos that are showing 16 tick gotv footage

i took a screencap of the exact moment his gun fires http://i.imgur.com/287pJof.jpg

and people in reddit for example are saying his aim perfectly locks on edward's head.. haha the confirmation bias is staggering


Just to be clear, what was your setup for screenshot? I can definitely agree it doesn't seem to be completely on target, but there's so much inconsistency on the demo that it's bloody hard to tell anything precisely. The bullet itself doesn't seem to hit anywhere on the precise crosshair trajectory.

Either way, the vid has causes a pretty big uproar. NiP coach is apparently demanding ban on Flusha. Things are getting ugly.

Edit: NiP coach, not manager

pita already deleted his tweet

and yes it's true that taking screencaps of a youtube vid like that doesn't really prove anything towards either flusha's innocence or guiltiness, i'm just showing that this supposed proof people are using doesn't even confirm what they are accusing flusha of (that his crosshair snaps to edward's head and fires)

I think in general the suspicious thing is that he snaps into such a illogical position and fires. He heard the sniper zoom, that's fairly sure. However, I can't see any other reason than nerves why he'd fire into that position manually and reveal his position and all that.

I think at this point it would be very much necessary that someone with high credibility in the community sits down and makes a reasonable analysis of the situation before DHW. Otherwise it's going to be a witch hunt crashing into fanboy defence because 90% of the community isn't capable of putting together a few sentences to form a reasonable post.
Thryd
Profile Joined March 2012
86 Posts
November 23 2014 15:56 GMT
#13843
On November 23 2014 23:21 WindWolf wrote:
Just want to double-check one thing. Can AWP bullets penetrate this wall? IIRC I think that I got a lucky shoot through this wall in one of my games)


pretty sure you can shoot through that wall, the barrel of an m4a1s can stick through that wall, dont see how an awp can't shoot through it
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
November 23 2014 16:12 GMT
#13844
On November 24 2014 00:56 Thryd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 23:21 WindWolf wrote:
Just want to double-check one thing. Can AWP bullets penetrate this wall? IIRC I think that I got a lucky shoot through this wall in one of my games)


pretty sure you can shoot through that wall, the barrel of an m4a1s can stick through that wall, dont see how an awp can't shoot through it


You can. An AWP even penetrates the concrete twice. I just tried it out:

[image loading]

Pistols for example do not have enough power to penetrate the walls, not even just the front one.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
November 23 2014 16:12 GMT
#13845
On November 24 2014 00:56 Thryd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 23:21 WindWolf wrote:
Just want to double-check one thing. Can AWP bullets penetrate this wall? IIRC I think that I got a lucky shoot through this wall in one of my games)


pretty sure you can shoot through that wall, the barrel of an m4a1s can stick through that wall, dont see how an awp can't shoot through it

Sniper (AWP, scout, autosniper) and deagle bullets are the only thing that can penetrate it. Regular rifles used to be able to, but not anymore I guess since that wallbang update.

If you want to check if you can shoot through certain walls, just make an empty server, and type
"sv_cheats1; sv_showimpacts 1"

This shows your bullet impacts and if they go through walls, they'll show another impact behind the wall. There was also another command that showed theoretical damage, but I don't remember that command.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2076 Posts
November 23 2014 16:35 GMT
#13846
On November 24 2014 01:12 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 00:56 Thryd wrote:
On November 23 2014 23:21 WindWolf wrote:
Just want to double-check one thing. Can AWP bullets penetrate this wall? IIRC I think that I got a lucky shoot through this wall in one of my games)


pretty sure you can shoot through that wall, the barrel of an m4a1s can stick through that wall, dont see how an awp can't shoot through it

Sniper (AWP, scout, autosniper) and deagle bullets are the only thing that can penetrate it. Regular rifles used to be able to, but not anymore I guess since that wallbang update.

If you want to check if you can shoot through certain walls, just make an empty server, and type
"sv_cheats1; sv_showimpacts 1"

This shows your bullet impacts and if they go through walls, they'll show another impact behind the wall. There was also another command that showed theoretical damage, but I don't remember that command.

Is there any common sense method for defining what penetrates a specific wall apart from trial and error?

It seemed like 1.6 didn't make any difference between materials, only the wall thickness and weapon power mattered. However, GO seems to be very specific about certain walls sometimes. Is the wall 'toughness' a mapper set value in editor or so?
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
November 23 2014 16:42 GMT
#13847
It's based on the material (ie. texture), the gun penetration value, wall thickness and distance since a 'recent' patch.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
November 23 2014 16:42 GMT
#13848
My biggest concern so far is that (like many suggested) Valve will ban people after the DHW. I find it hard to believe that only 3 guys are cheating (although it would be wonderful) so that leaves me with 2 options: either they will ban someone soon or they will wait after the DHW. Honestly, i would rather have them cancel dh than to be discovered that someone from the teams which participated had cheated. It would create a massive shitstorm.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 16:45:17
November 23 2014 16:45 GMT
#13849
On November 23 2014 23:35 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty. Personally, I don't doubt for a second that he used hacks (there's just too many crazy headshot incidents that come together for flusha, a lot of pros agree and, maybe the most condemning thing, as usual, is his response) but we'll have to wait until he actually gets a VAC ban to condemn him.


I agree.

I think the only people being unreasonable here are the ones screaming guilty / innocent. Theres nothing wrong with discussing suspicious evidence and forming a (strong) opinion. But screaming that someone should be banned off of it, or that "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT WAS HACKS. I DID THAT EXACT THING BEFORE IN MATCHMAKING, LOOK AT THIS FLAWED SCREENSHOT IT WASNT EVEN ON THE HEAD" is completely ridiculous and the only "wrong" thing in the whole situation.

At least these types of people are immediately disregarded by those with sense.
Useless wet fish.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
November 23 2014 16:50 GMT
#13850
Yup, absolutely agreed. I'm refreshing r/GlobalOffensive like a mad man. I want to know if/who else cheated.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
November 23 2014 17:01 GMT
#13851
I'm a Fnatic fan, and I seriously hope Flusha did not cheat here.

But innocent until proven guilty.
EZ4ENCE
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 17:15:07
November 23 2014 17:14 GMT
#13852
a hltv user posted this:

http://i.imgur.com/1mCOAcn.jpg

lol
you live and you learn
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
November 23 2014 18:08 GMT
#13853
is it me or is cs unplayable now due to flood of cheaters?
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 23 2014 19:19 GMT
#13854
On November 24 2014 03:08 saddaromma wrote:
is it me or is cs unplayable now due to flood of cheaters?

The few games I played were absolutely fine.

Also, people need to tone down the witchhunting. I know reddit is famous for that and I don't expect anything out of them, but please refrain from that here. Ruining someone's career over suspicions is not the way to go.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 19:32:01
November 23 2014 19:31 GMT
#13855
On November 24 2014 04:19 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 03:08 saddaromma wrote:
is it me or is cs unplayable now due to flood of cheaters?

The few games I played were absolutely fine.

Also, people need to tone down the witchhunting. I know reddit is famous for that and I don't expect anything out of them, but please refrain from that here. Ruining someone's career over suspicions is not the way to go.


I always assume the other player is really good or extremely lucky. But sometimes hacks are so blatantly obvious that it totally kills any desire to play this game. Like when a player always knows where you are for the whole match, flashes you beforehand without any possible information and at completely random places. I made some experiment and sat in base, he comes flashes me and proceeds to attack, I mean he doesn't even try to hide his hack. It makes me sad, I really love CS, but I guess there is nothing me or valve can do
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
November 23 2014 19:41 GMT
#13856
On November 24 2014 04:31 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 04:19 Roggay wrote:
On November 24 2014 03:08 saddaromma wrote:
is it me or is cs unplayable now due to flood of cheaters?

The few games I played were absolutely fine.

Also, people need to tone down the witchhunting. I know reddit is famous for that and I don't expect anything out of them, but please refrain from that here. Ruining someone's career over suspicions is not the way to go.


I always assume the other player is really good or extremely lucky. But sometimes hacks are so blatantly obvious that it totally kills any desire to play this game. Like when a player always knows where you are for the whole match, flashes you beforehand without any possible information and at completely random places. I made some experiment and sat in base, he comes flashes me and proceeds to attack, I mean he doesn't even try to hide his hack. It makes me sad, I really love CS, but I guess there is nothing me or valve can do

I try to assume that people are just really good or really lucky, but if I get the feeling they might be hacking I report right now. I have enough faith in overwatch to sort through the issue. They can see what he sees and determine hacking or not
Wahaha
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
November 23 2014 20:02 GMT
#13857
I've spent about 5-6 years with the BW -> SC2 scene, and have been getting into CSGO the past few months. The level of decorum on internet groups is so much lower for CS. I guess that's mostly directed at HLTV, but there is such a jocular and childish attitude among fans and players.

Lurppis wrote an article talking about the laxness of LAN events with regards to competitive standards, and it's just baffling when you compare it to Starcraft, or as he said himself the CS1.6 event circuit. Why do players need to go online? Why do they need 30 minutes to warm up?

And although it seems a bit like parting shots, Titan has a point about Valve's lack of communication. If you want teams to act more professionally, they need to be treated as such. Not to say they should not have been banned from DHW, but that they need to know what is going on and what they need to do. These teams have a lot of money involved.

In all, I hope CSGO is able to become more consistent and empty out its childishness. The DDOS issue is huge, and will only be solved when everything else is falls in to place. It's okay to have a bit of a shaking out in creation of leagues and such, but CSGO has a professional scene for a long time and still retains a nebulous web of minor tournaments that have different standards.
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DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
November 23 2014 20:05 GMT
#13858
Do you guys think that there's a possibility that one day, Valve would adopt/integrate ESEA anti-cheat into VAC? I mean, clearly ESEA anti-cheat is better than VAC and they recently both worked together to ban SMN. It would be a good step in the right direction seeing how VAC doesn't do a great job and doesn't seem to improve a whole lot.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
November 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#13859
On November 24 2014 05:02 sharkeyanti wrote:
And although it seems a bit like parting shots, Titan has a point about Valve's lack of communication. If you want teams to act more professionally, they need to be treated as such. Not to say they should not have been banned from DHW, but that they need to know what is going on and what they need to do. These teams have a lot of money involved.


I disagree completely on this. While sure Valve could've been a little more open to talk with Titan about the situation, I completely agree with their decision. It's Titan fault for hiring a hacker and let him do whatever he wants. They didn't act professionally in the first place since they let one of their players play with hacks and look what happen. IMHO, they completely deserve it, no matter how harsh their sanction was. It should be a wake up call to all organizations to make sure their players do act professionally and not like some 12yo who thinks it's cool to play with hacks, else they might get ban from tournaments and thus will be loosing money and maybe even sponsors. Like you said, these teams have a lot of money involved, it should be one of their primary concern to be sure that none of their players hack, no matter where and when. Especially when you think about the reputation it will give to these organizations when one of their players get caught. The blame here is on Titan and Titan alone. The ban from DW is harsh but completely deserved in my book.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
November 23 2014 20:37 GMT
#13860
On November 24 2014 05:31 DPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 05:02 sharkeyanti wrote:
And although it seems a bit like parting shots, Titan has a point about Valve's lack of communication. If you want teams to act more professionally, they need to be treated as such. Not to say they should not have been banned from DHW, but that they need to know what is going on and what they need to do. These teams have a lot of money involved.


I disagree completely on this. While sure Valve could've been a little more open to talk with Titan about the situation, I completely agree with their decision. It's Titan fault for hiring a hacker and let him do whatever he wants. They didn't act professionally in the first place since they let one of their players play with hacks and look what happen. IMHO, they completely deserve it, no matter how harsh their sanction was. It should be a wake up call to all organizations to make sure their players do act professionally and not like some 12yo who thinks it's cool to play with hacks, else they might get ban from tournaments and thus will be loosing money and maybe even sponsors. Like you said, these teams have a lot of money involved, it should be one of their primary concern to be sure that none of their players hack, no matter where and when. Especially when you think about the reputation it will give to these organizations when one of their players get caught. The blame here is on Titan and Titan alone. The ban from DW is harsh but completely deserved in my book.


Agreed on the ban for sure. They have to shoulder the responsibility for their player's actions. The point I was trying to get at was that Valve (according to Titan) has basically said nothing to them about why KQLY was banned, and that they have heard nothing about why they could not play in the qualifier. I do not believe that they should have been involved in the qualifier, but if Valve wants to be involved in these high profile/high money events it should be in communication with the top teams.
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