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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 15:23:49
November 24 2014 15:16 GMT
#13901
Well, this was a time bomb ticking... especially after that jbree team in ESEA

if sF and KQLY did, chances are more players could be involved arent exactly low, be jw, flusha, f0rest, nbk, scream, pasza, or whatever, it doesnt matter, what matters is this WILL hurt CS:GO quite a bit, and Valve needs to adress this.

(On a side note, i DOUBT any of those players use hacks, 100% sure they dont, is just as a matter of example, in case someone thinks im acussing them of cheating)
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
November 24 2014 15:42 GMT
#13902
It's too bad there isn't much official input on how to tell hacking from just good/lucky plays. There may not be a simple formula but it seems like something that would still be useful.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
iv~nk~j
Profile Joined August 2012
1140 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 15:45:55
November 24 2014 15:45 GMT
#13903
well if the cheat is suspected of being some subtle aim-assist then the footage being assessed has to be 128 tick PoV demos, the idea that such cheat could be reliably recognised from some GOTV footage is laughable.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 24 2014 16:11 GMT
#13904
On November 25 2014 00:45 iv~nk~j wrote:
well if the cheat is suspected of being some subtle aim-assist then the footage being assessed has to be 128 tick PoV demos, the idea that such cheat could be reliably recognised from some GOTV footage is laughable.

Yep. It's one of those times when you need VAC to do its fucking job because computers can do things that we don't see.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2040 Posts
November 24 2014 16:16 GMT
#13905
I think the most unfortunate thing in this mess is that people seem to be camped up in such strong YES/NO groups when in reality the whole thing is very much somewhere between. One group is overinterpreting 16 tick replays as aimbotting, the other camp is building up rather unlikely excuses for some stuff.

I think the vital thing is that DHW manages to ensure and show that their tournament is as clean as it can possibly be. It's obviously not very pleasant for Fnatic as they're going to have stuff thrown at them regardless of how they play, but I think as a whole it's still the most important long term damage control method there is, both for Fnatic and CS:GO. The whole basis of professional level competitive play is the idea that LANs are clean and fair play, without that base secured there's not going to be much future to talk about.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 16:20:53
November 24 2014 16:19 GMT
#13906
Well, personally I hope the result of this is some damn aggressive enforcement of anti-cheating rules @ the lan itself (clean computers, no flash drives, etc). I still don't buy the whole "workshop cheat" thing since it's literally trivial for valve to see what workshop items players are subscribed to.

Even if it turns out post-LAN that some players are cheaters, it shouldn't be hard to demonstrate that they didn't cheat at the LAN itself and the results are clean.
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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
November 24 2014 16:40 GMT
#13907
i hate cheaters so much,Valve/VAC team need to start talking to the community more.
savior did nothing wrong
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 24 2014 16:43 GMT
#13908
On November 25 2014 01:16 Bacillus wrote:
I think the most unfortunate thing in this mess is that people seem to be camped up in such strong YES/NO groups when in reality the whole thing is very much somewhere between. One group is overinterpreting 16 tick replays as aimbotting, the other camp is building up rather unlikely excuses for some stuff.

I haven't seen unlikely excuses, none of the footage presented for any pro player is particularly convincing or blatant, or in large enough quantity to justify the accusations. I agree that the argument is polarized between the YES and the NO, in that it's likely that there are pros who currently use or have used hacks during previous tournaments, but frankly maybe we have no way to know... Find me evidence that Flusha consistently tracks heads through walls and I might get suspicious (and I'd say his hack sucks), but so far I just don't know and I'm not too keen on that little rookie investigation.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 24 2014 16:45 GMT
#13909
On November 25 2014 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i hate cheaters so much,Valve/VAC team need to start talking to the community more.

Are you aware that you just contradicted yourself?

The more the VAC team talks to the community, the more information cheaters have to work with to circumvent the VAC system.

Yes I'm aware that VAC is relatively shit right now and that super-blatant-obvious hackers exist which shouldn't ever happen (the idea that you can't catch jumping spinbot negev hackers instantly is a bit of a joke).
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 24 2014 16:51 GMT
#13910
I do not think banning Epsilon/Titan was the right choice thou, a standin would have taken sF/KQLY spot and called it a day

What if Y team wins DHW, and the next wave of bans affect X player which was part of Y team ? Or whatever player of a a team that played on DHW for all that matters.

I know rules are rules, but still
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
November 24 2014 16:56 GMT
#13911
On November 25 2014 01:51 Faruko wrote:
I do not think banning Epsilon/Titan was the right choice thou, a standin would have taken sF/KQLY spot and called it a day

What if Y team wins DHW, and the next wave of bans affect X player which was part of Y team ? Or whatever player of a a team that played on DHW for all that matters.

I know rules are rules, but still

I kinda agree, Valve seems to be pretty strict when it comes to rooster rules (See Era @TI4).
EZ4ENCE
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
November 24 2014 16:59 GMT
#13912
On November 25 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i hate cheaters so much,Valve/VAC team need to start talking to the community more.

Are you aware that you just contradicted yourself?

The more the VAC team talks to the community, the more information cheaters have to work with to circumvent the VAC system.

Yes I'm aware that VAC is relatively shit right now and that super-blatant-obvious hackers exist which shouldn't ever happen (the idea that you can't catch jumping spinbot negev hackers instantly is a bit of a joke).


what information? cheats are updated within the hour when a new banwave comes i dont think hackers need any more information. Cant really stop the hacks but at least they could look at replays and ban people who are 100% hacking.
savior did nothing wrong
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 24 2014 17:26 GMT
#13913
DAFUQ ? CS:GO just updated, and Avast detected it as a virus and deleted csgo.exe >< Anyone had it happen ?
NoiR
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 24 2014 17:28 GMT
#13914
On November 25 2014 02:26 Nouar wrote:
DAFUQ ? CS:GO just updated, and Avast detected it as a virus and deleted csgo.exe >< Anyone had it happen ?

Confirmed cheater !!!!!!

Jk, dont know 360 didnt
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#13915
[image loading]

T_T Happened again, even when I flagged it as a false positive....
NoiR
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#13916
I've heard of things like that before on patches.

Likely it's cuz VAC got too intrusive and triggered avast's "programs shouldn't do this" detection rofl.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
November 24 2014 17:40 GMT
#13917
Steam just asked me for my SIN number and driver's license. Is this normal guys?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 17:47:22
November 24 2014 17:46 GMT
#13918
On November 25 2014 02:40 Slardar wrote:
Steam just asked me for my SIN number and driver's license. Is this normal guys?

Unless this is for tax information (if you are a heavy market seller or workshop contributor making a "substantial" amount of money), I don't think so.

Maybe it'll ask me too when I get home who knows
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Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
November 24 2014 18:07 GMT
#13919
Steam asked me for some personal information when I was approaching 200 items sold on the market for tax reasons. I don't know if it would be the same for Canada but you should check the marketplace FAQ and see if it gives a reason there if you use the market a lot.
Writer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 24 2014 18:08 GMT
#13920
SIN = SSN btw for u americans
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