EPTOn April 14 2017 00:51 tofucake wrote:
UMP is becoming CSGO's MP5
I miss the MP5
UMP is becoming CSGO's MP5
I miss the MP5
Even though I barely played the previous games, I miss the MP5 sound.
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Ragnarork
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Even though I barely played the previous games, I miss the MP5 sound. | ||
tofucake
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 14 2017 00:25 Ragnarork wrote:Who would've thought the UMP would actually become widely used and fit a "super cheap rifle" slot a year and a half ago? Um...Everyone? The UMP was already a favoured SMG, and then the armour penetration change to SMG's happened...almost precisely a year and half ago. | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On April 14 2017 01:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Um...Everyone? The UMP was already a favoured SMG, and then the armour penetration change to SMG's happened...almost precisely a year and half ago. Not as widespread as it is now, there was a time when only flusha used it. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On April 14 2017 01:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Um...Everyone? The UMP was already a favoured SMG, and then the armour penetration change to SMG's happened...almost precisely a year and half ago. One year and a half ago, the UMP wasn't even close to be as prevalent as it is today. You act like it's a longtime well known fact, but it isn't. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 14 2017 01:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Um...Everyone? The UMP was already a favoured SMG, and then the armour penetration change to SMG's happened...almost precisely a year and half ago. dohh, there was a pretty big spread of SMG usage back then. The only early adopters at the pro level I can think of in 2015 are Forest and Flusha. The usage has mostly evolved over the past year or so as the "go to" | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On April 14 2017 00:25 Ragnarork wrote: That you can't see why doesn't mean there's no use. Who would've thought the UMP would actually become widely used and fit a "super cheap rifle" slot a year and a half ago? And why wouldn't there be a third category of weapons for buy rounds fitting a specific purpose that doesn't exist yet? If it can be used in a different role than the AK/M4 and the AWP, then your point is moot. I mean i remember natu using ump at the end of 2014 in pro games already :D Secondly, i don't think there is, or will be, really any kind of specific purpose that is more useful than just playing a standard rifle/awp on buyrounds. This negev isn't exactly useworthy in most of the situations currently and the only good use atm is the fact it costs 2000$ for some ezpz neverending spray. I don't think it'll ever get proper use and if it will, i think it will be rather because it is too strong than because someone found an innovative way to use it. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 14 2017 02:15 Luolis wrote: I mean i remember natu using ump at the end of 2014 in pro games already :D Secondly, i don't think there is, or will be, really any kind of specific purpose that is more useful than just playing a standard rifle/awp on buyrounds. This negev isn't exactly useworthy in most of the situations currently and the only good use atm is the fact it costs 2000$ for some ezpz neverending spray. I don't think it'll ever get proper use and if it will, i think it will be rather because it is too strong than because someone found an innovative way to use it. "I remember X guy using it in games is not the same as "everyones" using it." Im sorry but ive been looking at this exchange for a while and your logic isnt sound. There are niche uses for certain weapons. The idea that unless it is an AK or an M4 it is only being used is because it is "OP" is unsound. You may be correct in that what they are doing may not work aswell as they like, or maybe that they arent even sure what they want. And yes maybe live testing it wasnt a good idea, but you have to also realise that these guys made this game and they arent stupid. Or atleast not as stupid as you would like to think. They dont do things "just because". IF it starts replacing those primary weapons consistently as not a niche option but as first choice then you can say, ok this doesnt work. Otherwise this bitchfit about something you arent able to verify is somewhat pointless. Just because your imagination is limited doesnt mean thats the same for everyone. So I am afraid we cant really just sit here and accept your argument simply because "you cant see it" based on the fundamentally unsound line of reasoning you are using. You can certainly have an opinion which you clearly do and that is well noted. But your not backing it up very convincingly. As with the wildly unsuccessful R8 I will expect it to be unvavailable for use in official tournaments and take a wait and see approach. Edit: Heres the other thing I noted using HLTV stats filtered by all Lan events. 2016 3 percent of kills is the UMP (no other SMG clocked enough kills to get on the percentage pie so basically less than 1 percent I am guessing.) 2015 the Ump didnt have enough kills to register on the pie less than 1 percent of kills. So really we can safely say that your boy Natu found a really cool thing back in 2014 but still sucked with it :p The growth rate there is a startling 300+ percent at the very minimum. Part of it has to do with the armour pen changes. But really no one was using SMGS period before that if they could help it and then it took them a year or so to figure out this was the best one. | ||
Nixer
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Oh and ease up everybody, please don't turn this discussion into shitshow. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 14 2017 03:09 Nixer wrote: I don't think he was particularly serious with his UMP statement, hence the smiley, so you're probably overreacting quite a bit here. Oh and ease up everybody, please don't turn this discussion into shitshow. The UMP thing wasnt really a response to him specifically it was more general. As for the Natu thnig, I wasnt serious about that either, I guess I should have put a smiley. Oh wait, I did. I dont see how this is a shitshow tbh. I think your reading the tone quite poorly or maybe just really sensitive  | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
On April 14 2017 03:21 Rebs wrote: The UMP thing wasnt really a response to him specifically it was more general. As for the Natu thnig, I wasnt serious about that either, I guess I should have put a smiley. Oh wait, I did. I dont see how this is a shitshow tbh. I think your reading the tone quite poorly or maybe just really sensitive Don't give me that fucking pissy attitude. You should probably work on your reading comprehension first before doing that. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
Also these are after all the guys who introduced R8 revolver. I'm pretty sure these guys atleast lack some part of understanding CS :D | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On April 14 2017 04:44 Luolis wrote: Rebs, it seems like you have a great imagination for uses of the negev. Please tell me a good way of using it that is more valid than using a rifle/awp (with the theory of the gun NOT costing 2000$.) Also these are after all the guys who introduced R8 revolver. I'm pretty sure these guys atleast lack some part of understanding CS :D Don't get condescending just because you have no idea how it could work. That's not helping your case. And stop focusing on the price of the gun, it's not even remotely supposed to be 2000$, that price is purely to encourage its use right now). And yes, the R8 was shit, and yes, Valve don't have a very good understanding of CS. But seriously, a game dev that try to experiment with their game (what they are doing now) rather than just put in changes mindlessly (like the R8) is one I'm better off with. Also yeah, everyone calm down a level. We can disagree and discuss without personal attacks nor condescending tones. Also what a surprise huh? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Anyhow I've been using the Negev in MM. The amount of hate I get is somewhat amusing. It can essentially lock down an entire entrance for a good 10 seconds. There's something about the Negev in laser mode that makes people want to challenge it...with predictable results. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On April 14 2017 20:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote: My point is that the UMP rose in popularity due to an update that rose it's armour penetration by 20%. It wasn't a case that it was some sort of organic meta shift, but a deliberate change in the SMG weapon characteristics. This update was late 2014. Yet it wasn't used much in 2015 and for the first months of 2016, an order of magnitude or two below what we see now. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 14 2017 03:54 Nixer wrote: Don't give me that fucking pissy attitude. You should probably work on your reading comprehension first before doing that. I just got a random "l2read bro" and im the one thats being pissy and over reacting.. + Show Spoiler + on a more serious note, who the fuck do you think you are? ill take whatever attitude I want if you are going to address me and if you dont like it you can fuck off. The tone should be clear here, no reading comprehension needed. Maybe offer a opinion on the subject and add to the discussion rather than backseat mod me eh? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Epoxide
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
I've played 1 game of MM since update, didn't see Negev :D | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote: Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10. I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already. What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad. | ||
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