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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 19 2017 15:43 GMT
#22021
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 19 2017 16:15 GMT
#22022
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 16:27:16
April 19 2017 16:21 GMT
#22023
On April 20 2017 01:15 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.


I would hardly call it a focusing. And you dont know they arent considering other things. Honestly sometimes the instagrat generation really does get me.

On April 13 2017 13:43 Luolis wrote:
"Negev: Price reduced to 2000 as a starting point, to promote experimentation with the weapon"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



And yeah that was pretty strong reaction to something that has had minimal if any impact. Someone had an idea they tried it.

This entire player complaint of "if they have time to do this, why dont they do this" indicates to me that people making these comments have little to no understanding of any sort of development in most professional environments let alone games devs
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 19 2017 16:32 GMT
#22024
On April 20 2017 01:21 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 01:15 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.


I would hardly call it a focusing. And you dont know they arent considering other things. Honestly sometimes the instagrat generation really does get me.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 13:43 Luolis wrote:
"Negev: Price reduced to 2000 as a starting point, to promote experimentation with the weapon"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



And yeah that was pretty strong reaction to something that has had minimal if any impact. Someone had an idea they tried it.

This entire player complaint of "if they have time to do this, why dont they do this" indicates to me that people making these comments have little to no understanding of any sort of development in most professional environments let alone games devs


Allright to your first point. Yee sure i don't know if they arent considering other stuff. However if they are, they atleast aren't showing it. Or if they are it's something stupid like "force buys should win 40% of the time ideally" (true story btw).

Out of curiousity, how old are you? Complaining about younger generations is a bit of a funny thing considering it happens with every one apparently :D

Then second thing, yea it was a first impression after just seeing the laser gun and the fact it costed 2000$. Bit of an overreaction i'll admit, but in my later posts i feel like i atleast somewhat explained why i felt like it was a pointless change and i'd rather see something that has impact.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 16:50:22
April 19 2017 16:43 GMT
#22025
On April 20 2017 01:32 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 01:21 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 01:15 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.


I would hardly call it a focusing. And you dont know they arent considering other things. Honestly sometimes the instagrat generation really does get me.

On April 13 2017 13:43 Luolis wrote:
"Negev: Price reduced to 2000 as a starting point, to promote experimentation with the weapon"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



And yeah that was pretty strong reaction to something that has had minimal if any impact. Someone had an idea they tried it.

This entire player complaint of "if they have time to do this, why dont they do this" indicates to me that people making these comments have little to no understanding of any sort of development in most professional environments let alone games devs


Allright to your first point. Yee sure i don't know if they arent considering other stuff. However if they are, they atleast aren't showing it. Or if they are it's something stupid like "force buys should win 40% of the time ideally" (true story btw).

Out of curiousity, how old are you? Complaining about younger generations is a bit of a funny thing considering it happens with every one apparently :D

Then second thing, yea it was a first impression after just seeing the laser gun and the fact it costed 2000$. Bit of an overreaction i'll admit, but in my later posts i feel like i atleast somewhat explained why i felt like it was a pointless change and i'd rather see something that has impact.


Lets make my age a bit of a riddle

+ Show Spoiler +
I played at ESWC 2007 halfway through my teens representing Pakistan, guestimate that. Hint: ESWC had a minimum age requirement


Nothing is pointless, finding out something does or does not work also has a point. Especially when you can do it relatively painlessly. The bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with putting a bit of imagination into things and seeing what the community can do with it. Very rarely do things actually succeed doesnt mean you stop trying them.

And my god Im sure Valve is just sitting there worried sick about "showing" people what they are doing. The second thing you dont do when you are considering impactful changes is play your cards before you know you can win. The first thing is quitely figuring out what you is actually required if anything. That also takes time.

Actual problems need actual solving, spending their time with blog posts or announcements acknowledging that they are working on stuff that the community at large may think are important, doesnt really help them because it sets unreasonable expectations.

Finally its their game and while the community does and should drive innovation within the game and feedback should be taken seriously, ultimately the core vision is theirs so you have to let them do what they are doing unless it something monstrously horrific and have a bit of faith.

Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 19 2017 16:51 GMT
#22026
On April 20 2017 01:43 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 01:32 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 01:21 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 01:15 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.


I would hardly call it a focusing. And you dont know they arent considering other things. Honestly sometimes the instagrat generation really does get me.

On April 13 2017 13:43 Luolis wrote:
"Negev: Price reduced to 2000 as a starting point, to promote experimentation with the weapon"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



And yeah that was pretty strong reaction to something that has had minimal if any impact. Someone had an idea they tried it.

This entire player complaint of "if they have time to do this, why dont they do this" indicates to me that people making these comments have little to no understanding of any sort of development in most professional environments let alone games devs


Allright to your first point. Yee sure i don't know if they arent considering other stuff. However if they are, they atleast aren't showing it. Or if they are it's something stupid like "force buys should win 40% of the time ideally" (true story btw).

Out of curiousity, how old are you? Complaining about younger generations is a bit of a funny thing considering it happens with every one apparently :D

Then second thing, yea it was a first impression after just seeing the laser gun and the fact it costed 2000$. Bit of an overreaction i'll admit, but in my later posts i feel like i atleast somewhat explained why i felt like it was a pointless change and i'd rather see something that has impact.


Lets make my age a bit of a riddle

+ Show Spoiler +
I played at ESWC 2007 halfway through my teens representing Pakistan, guestimate that. Hint: ESWC had a minimum age requirement


So youre about 26? I don't really think that's that big of a generational gap between us then :D
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 19 2017 16:53 GMT
#22027
On April 20 2017 01:43 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 01:32 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 01:21 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 01:15 Luolis wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:43 Rebs wrote:
On April 20 2017 00:30 Luolis wrote:
On April 19 2017 23:13 Sableyeah wrote:
Pretty sure UMP was initially used to combat the short and mid range that the pistol dominated for a while. And as for SMG usage prebuff, was all preference so just because natu, f0rest and flusha used it doesn't mean that is when the 'hype' started. I also prefered the UMP because it enabled me to fight longer ranges then say the weak and cheapass MP9 and Mac10.

I was actually talking about rifle rounds in my example. Anyways old discussion already.

What comes to the negev now, it's kind of a pointless gun now (even more than before) so i'd guess that this "experiment" failed pretty bad.


Right and thats fine, but there was only one person here crying bloody murder over it.

Complaining that valve focuses on bad experiments like this and not focusing on actual problems = "crying blody murder"? Nice.


I would hardly call it a focusing. And you dont know they arent considering other things. Honestly sometimes the instagrat generation really does get me.

On April 13 2017 13:43 Luolis wrote:
"Negev: Price reduced to 2000 as a starting point, to promote experimentation with the weapon"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



And yeah that was pretty strong reaction to something that has had minimal if any impact. Someone had an idea they tried it.

This entire player complaint of "if they have time to do this, why dont they do this" indicates to me that people making these comments have little to no understanding of any sort of development in most professional environments let alone games devs


Allright to your first point. Yee sure i don't know if they arent considering other stuff. However if they are, they atleast aren't showing it. Or if they are it's something stupid like "force buys should win 40% of the time ideally" (true story btw).

Out of curiousity, how old are you? Complaining about younger generations is a bit of a funny thing considering it happens with every one apparently :D

Then second thing, yea it was a first impression after just seeing the laser gun and the fact it costed 2000$. Bit of an overreaction i'll admit, but in my later posts i feel like i atleast somewhat explained why i felt like it was a pointless change and i'd rather see something that has impact.



Nothing is pointless, finding out something does or does not work also has a point. Especially when you can do it relatively painlessly. The bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with putting a bit of imagination into things and seeing what the community can do with it. Very rarely do things actually succeed doesnt mean you stop trying them.

And my god Im sure Valve is just sitting there worried sick about "showing" people what they are doing. The second thing you dont do when you are considering impactful changes is play your cards before you know you can win. The first thing is quitely figuring out what you is actually required if anything. That also takes time.

Actual problems need actual solving, spending their time with blog posts or announcements acknowledging that they are working on stuff that the community at large may think are important, doesnt really help them because it sets unreasonable expectations.

Finally its their game and while the community does and should drive innovation within the game and feedback should be taken seriously, ultimately the core vision is theirs so you have to let them do what they are doing unless it something monstrously horrific and have a bit of faith.


Regarding that, i guess my pov is something of a "don't switch it if it works" kind of a thing regarding stuff like this negev change for example. What comes to it being their game, that is true and i can't change that really. I'd just rather not have the same thing happen to cs what Lotv did to SC2, because having another game i enjoy going to shit (for me) isn't really something i'd be looking for :D
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
April 19 2017 19:05 GMT
#22028
Can you guys get a room?
LiquipediaWanderer
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 19 2017 19:30 GMT
#22029
Naw man, rooms are expensive, an elevator at most ; )
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 20 2017 18:40 GMT
#22030
Just had 2 keys and 2 Glove Cases and I went like "screw it" and unboxed. First got me another CZ-Auto skin and the last one... were Gloves Forest DDPat FT worth ~140 euro, lmao.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
mstrzelecc
Profile Joined April 2017
1 Post
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 10:13:31
April 21 2017 09:54 GMT
#22031
Mod Edit: Links removed

User was banned for this post.
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
April 21 2017 11:53 GMT
#22032
I actually like the negev changes. It makes it even better for trolling because it is so easy to play against.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
April 23 2017 00:35 GMT
#22033
cs_summit shows why double elimination bracket with BO3 are the best! Great tournament so far.
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
April 25 2017 20:27 GMT
#22034
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
chicbot2000
Profile Joined February 2017
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-26 16:56:09
April 26 2017 16:52 GMT
#22035
On April 26 2017 05:27 Clonester wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.


another reason why NA wont ever be good example #1245. absolutely disheartening and quite frankly disgusting to see such childish behavior from everyone involved including management
well thought out signature that totally fires those neurons
Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-26 17:54:08
April 26 2017 17:53 GMT
#22036
On April 26 2017 05:27 Clonester wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.


I've listened to the whole thing. And even though every story has two sides, I guess I won't be rooting to Liquid anymore. And Elige, what the fuck...
"Life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery." - f33red k0r34n z3rg
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-27 00:30:53
April 26 2017 18:48 GMT
#22037
On April 27 2017 01:52 chicbot2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2017 05:27 Clonester wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.


another reason why NA wont ever be good example #1245. absolutely disheartening and quite frankly disgusting to see such childish behavior from everyone involved including management


On a completey offtopic note, why does your sig say Bashar Al Asad will .. ehh if I read this right.. win ?

On April 26 2017 05:27 Clonester wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.



This was an interesting watch, thank you for sharing.
chicbot2000
Profile Joined February 2017
United States45 Posts
April 27 2017 00:00 GMT
#22038
On April 27 2017 03:48 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2017 01:52 chicbot2000 wrote:
On April 26 2017 05:27 Clonester wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137997708?t=02h44m48s

Hiko tells us his views about his time in TL.


another reason why NA wont ever be good example #1245. absolutely disheartening and quite frankly disgusting to see such childish behavior from everyone involved including management


On a completey offtopic note, why does your sig say Bashar Al Asad will .. ehh if I read this right.. win ?


a joke
well thought out signature that totally fires those neurons
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
April 27 2017 12:56 GMT
#22039
I've been saying forever that Elige is the problem. Sucks that tl csgo has gotten so unlikable.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
April 27 2017 21:24 GMT
#22040
On April 27 2017 21:56 HugoBallzak wrote:
I've been saying forever that Elige is the problem. Sucks that tl csgo has gotten so unlikable.

When have you ever said that? :DDD
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
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