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On April 03 2016 03:47 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2016 00:48 amazingxkcd wrote:On April 02 2016 22:53 Epoxide wrote:On April 02 2016 19:12 TheEmulator wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'd be so hyped if this actually got accepted for SGDQ. I do way more KZ than anything else in CSGO these days  (highlights from the run they want to do starts around 1:10-1:15) so happy i managed to beat that map rofl i beat it as well but i have a dogshit time because my ladder strafing is dogshit i dont remember any ladders?
There are no traditional ladders, but there's some climbable poles in the first half of the map (the inside part). They don't require any strafing to be honest, you just need to know how to launch off them correctly.
Also yea, the first time I played cursed journey I was still fairly new. I also mistakenly did the exps version which is like 30 minutes longer for a new player than the standard/adv versions. Think it took me around 2 hours to finish, although I probably spent 30 minutes of that time lost since the exps version is very confusing on the inside. Outside is pretty much the same across all versions with the exception of some added/removed jumps.
On another note, I understand why they want to use a long map at SGDQ but I'd prefer them to just run multiple smaller maps that showcase more difficult jumps (apricity or retribution for example). There's really nothing difficult about cursed journey aside from it's length.
@Stancel kz and chill?
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
yeah i guess the ropes, you dont need to strafe anywhere though
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oh right they are ropes, not poles.
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i've been slacking on my kz lately, also i can't find a server that wants to stay on cursedjourney long enough for me to complete it once
i miss being able to set up modded listen servers
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On April 03 2016 13:52 Stancel wrote:
i've been slacking on my kz lately, also i can't find a server that wants to stay on cursedjourney long enough for me to complete it once
i miss being able to set up modded listen servers
I play on this server mostly http://www.kzstats.com/servers/162.251.167.201:27015/
We have the opposite problem with long maps tbh. Anything like cursed/colors/agitation ends up being played for 4-5 hours because new people keep coming in, and all of the main guys who frequent the server are too nice and let them finish. I think we had agitation on for like 8-9 hours once. Also otaku room is always left on for at least 2 hours, rofl.
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Looks like Fnatic will be missing Dreamhack Malmö due to olofm's injury
+ Show Spoiler +http://fragbite.se/cs/news/38809/olofm-med-armskada-fnatic-missar-dreamhack-malmo
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Germany3128 Posts
I really hope that S1mple will start to be more mannered from now on. Hikos interview really doesn't make him look to good and that's coming from his best friend Hiko. Can't help myself but I have to worry. The fact that they had to sit S1mple out a few days before the biggest Major up to date because he was too toxic to adreN is a no-go.
Or that he is toxic to Koosta the whole time...and the fact that adreN in the end was kicked because S1mple was flaming him to hard and it destroyed the whole team stability. And that is only with S1mple being apart of TL for like 3 months?
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On April 05 2016 01:12 TheNewEra wrote:
I really hope that S1mple will start to be more mannered from now on. Hikos interview really doesn't make him look to good and that's coming from his best friend Hiko. Can't help myself but I have to worry. The fact that they had to sit S1mple out a few days before the biggest Major up to date because he was too toxic to adreN is a no-go.
Or that he is toxic to Koosta the whole time...and the fact that adreN in the end was kicked because S1mple was flaming him to hard and it destroyed the whole team stability. And that is only with S1mple being apart of TL for like 3 months?
Is that actually why AdreN got kicked?
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On April 05 2016 00:14 Muffloe wrote:Looks like Fnatic will be missing Dreamhack Malmö due to olofm's injury + Show Spoiler +http://fragbite.se/cs/news/38809/olofm-med-armskada-fnatic-missar-dreamhack-malmo
Wow fnatic as a whole pulled out, didn't expect that. With Na'vi only Guardian pulled out.
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France9034 Posts
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Lets be real.... Adren was super underperforming before being cut. S1mple expects the best. He has a history of calling out his own teammates who he doesn't believe are working hard enough to play their best. It has obviously worked because the team as a whole is performing way better. You think players like kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan didn't shit on underperforming teammates? Look at hellraisers, they didn't make the major. Look at flipside, they didn't make it out of groups. These are two teams s1mple was basically cut from who don't seem to be as good as the team s1mple is on now. Not everyone is perfect, and these players are all literally being paid tons of money to play a video game professionally. That means that the competition is going to be fierce and that winning is the ultimate validation of the hard work each player puts in. Maybe some liquid fans are too used to their sc2 players being subpar players and consummate personalities. In CS, results speak louder than being a 'nice guy'.
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On April 05 2016 23:20 HugoBallzak wrote:
Lets be real.... Adren was super underperforming before being cut. S1mple expects the best. He has a history of calling out his own teammates who he doesn't believe are working hard enough to play their best. It has obviously worked because the team as a whole is performing way better. You think players like kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan didn't shit on underperforming teammates? Look at hellraisers, they didn't make the major. Look at flipside, they didn't make it out of groups. These are two teams s1mple was basically cut from who don't seem to be as good as the team s1mple is on now. Not everyone is perfect, and these players are all literally being paid tons of money to play a video game professionally. That means that the competition is going to be fierce and that winning is the ultimate validation of the hard work each player puts in. Maybe some liquid fans are too used to their sc2 players being subpar players and consummate personalities. In CS, results speak louder than being a 'nice guy'.
I'm sorry but Liquid SC2 players aren't subpar players. They haven't been always dominant, and not every one of them, but Taeja, HerO, Jinro, MaNa, Snute, Bunny, HuK, Ret, are names that mean "subpar players" to you? (Not implying "now", for all of them, Jinro is obviously retired for example, but he made it far in the GSL, come on).
I think you haven't really followed SC2 then.
As I said somewhere else, yup, adreN has been massively underperforming in games prior to the major. And it didn't go well when they brought S1mple between him and adreN.
But apparently, this has been exactly the same with koosta. The difference is that during the Major Qualifiers, adreN stepped up, among others, and they manage to qualify despite S1mple not performing as well as usual. S1mple had never experienced that and it surprised him. Then at the major, adreN put up very good performance except in that game against LG. (He finished on a +19, HLTV rated him 17th player for the event, which is, of course, HLTV stats, and not really excellent, but still). This helped getting along with adreN a bit better.
So now, there's adreN or koosta. The former showed he can definitely play well under certain circumstances. And it improved between him and S1mple. The latter hasn't been really convincing so far, and apparently S1mple also has issues with him.
It doesn't seem really simple (heh) to be able to say exactly which player would be better for the team at this point...
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Liquid's two best players aren't even on liquid anymore, because they were not the super nice friendly faced personalities of the others.... I don't want to debate about liquid's sc2 team because I know we are not going to agree but I think the reason adren was kept for so long is the same reason a lot of the sc2 players have been. Nice people with nice faces. s1mple is worth the "toxicity," and if it takes surrounding him with better players to keep him happy than I am all for it. Who knows, maybe koosta wont work out in the longrun, but I am more willing to take that chance than to stick with adren. Adren has shown he is worthy of being picked up by another team and I am sure he will be.
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I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well.
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On April 05 2016 23:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well.
I think it says more about the French scene players than anything else. The individual skill displayed by envyus in recent events has been dismal. Still, you absolutely NEED star players to compete at the top. There are no mighty ducks in csgo.
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I'm pretty sure adreN hasn't been kept for so long because of "personality" and I don't know why you'd think TL isn't about performance as well. Both can work together, and for SC2, they have since 2012 one of the greatest of all time (and multiple tournament winners) so uh...
I still hold to that fact that sgares and FalleN vouched for him skillwise when the news broke that he'd be released. And I'd rather consider trusting established progamers on that than the average fan that might not see or understand why. And seeing how he performed at MLG, there might have been some key things people missed about him. All the while he performed pretty poorly in the former configuration of TeamLiquid.
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On April 06 2016 00:42 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 23:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well. I think it says more about the French scene players than anything else. The individual skill displayed by envyus in recent events has been dismal. Still, you absolutely NEED star players to compete at the top. There are no mighty ducks in csgo.
Theres a reason why Markeloff was happy when S1mple was booted from Flipsid3.
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On April 06 2016 00:46 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 00:42 HugoBallzak wrote:On April 05 2016 23:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well. I think it says more about the French scene players than anything else. The individual skill displayed by envyus in recent events has been dismal. Still, you absolutely NEED star players to compete at the top. There are no mighty ducks in csgo. Theres a reason why Markeloff was happy when S1mple was booted from Flipsid3.
And there is a reason markeloff is no longer on Navi. And a reason that s1mple is on a legends team and Markeloff isn't.
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On April 06 2016 00:59 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 00:46 Luolis wrote:On April 06 2016 00:42 HugoBallzak wrote:On April 05 2016 23:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well. I think it says more about the French scene players than anything else. The individual skill displayed by envyus in recent events has been dismal. Still, you absolutely NEED star players to compete at the top. There are no mighty ducks in csgo. Theres a reason why Markeloff was happy when S1mple was booted from Flipsid3. And there is a reason markeloff is no longer on Navi. And a reason that s1mple is on a legends team and Markeloff isn't.
If we wanna continue on that, theres a reason why S1mple never got into the best CIS-team :D
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On April 06 2016 01:04 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 00:59 HugoBallzak wrote:On April 06 2016 00:46 Luolis wrote:On April 06 2016 00:42 HugoBallzak wrote:On April 05 2016 23:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the fall of french CS demonstrates a bit about the irrelevancy of individual skill if your team can't work together well. I think it says more about the French scene players than anything else. The individual skill displayed by envyus in recent events has been dismal. Still, you absolutely NEED star players to compete at the top. There are no mighty ducks in csgo. Theres a reason why Markeloff was happy when S1mple was booted from Flipsid3. And there is a reason markeloff is no longer on Navi. And a reason that s1mple is on a legends team and Markeloff isn't. If we wanna continue on that, theres a reason why S1mple never got into the best CIS-team :D
Probably because they don't need him. I pretty much guarantee that s1mple will end up on Navi in a couple of years.
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