Path of Exile - Page 641

On January 04 2014 06:22 Broetchenholer wrote:
The difference is, that a Templar or Marauder gets his "normal" playstyle without any problems. Of course not everything has to be viable. But if using a class, or a specific "standard" playstyle means you are automatically less viable, then this is kinda counterproductive. D3 was a good example of a game without real choice, just fakechoice. This game certainly goes a different path. So, how much does a Ranger, Duelist or Marauder have to regret?

On January 04 2014 06:24 zergnewb wrote:
So I've finally got a character who is close to level 60 and I'm getting access to the base weapons types for some good uniques. How freely should I be using orbs of chances?

On January 04 2014 06:07 Varanice wrote:
Where have you been Evo? Havent seen you in forever dude..

Sold the secret of the rods for a 6L legacy shav today.. that was interesting. lol.

On January 04 2014 05:49 Miragee wrote:
Looks like Zoroxo is going no sleep. :D Casualfireblaster is such a good name to be at rank 3 atm.^^

@Broetchenholer: By that logic any skill that you can't play from the beginning is bad game design because it doesn't provide enoguh effectiveness early on (in fact none). Not everything has to be viable all the time. And not everything has to be viable at all. The thing with any complex system that tries to give a lot of variety is that everything it contains will range from really good to complete bull shit. And imho that is much better game design than limiting choices to a handful which are all good (which removes thinking from the game) that applies to almost all games nowadays.

On January 04 2014 06:22 Broetchenholer wrote:
The difference is, that a Templar or Marauder gets his "normal" playstyle without any problems. Of course not everything has to be viable. But if using a class, or a specific "standard" playstyle means you are automatically less viable, then this is kinda counterproductive. D3 was a good example of a game without real choice, just fakechoice. This game certainly goes a different path. So, how much does a Ranger, Duelist or Marauder have to regret?

On January 04 2014 07:30 oneofthem wrote:

i think some people expect the games they play to have smooth leveling curves by design (mmo mentality? not sure, but it is the case with modern rpg games) and just do w/e they come across first. but outside of alkaizer marauder this doesn't really work in poe. you get these 1500 hp at lvl 70 bow rangers and gimped shadows with melee dagger build. research in this game is really important and it's not a pick up and play kind of thing like what they try to make d3 out to be.

shadow does get fire traps at the hillock quest though, but for someone who has not researched the game it's a less than 1 in 4 chance that they go the trapper route.

On January 04 2014 10:37 Broetchenholer wrote:


You can always priotize playstyle preference over effectiveness, there is nothing wrong with that. If i want to play a melee one-hand build, i skip thinking about firetraps being more effective and focus on making melee one handed dagger work.

On January 04 2014 02:42 Varanice wrote:


What kind of build do you want to make? I can make you a tree for you if you want.

On January 04 2014 08:13 Varanice wrote:
I love helping new people out with skills, trees, and builds. If there's a specific type of character that you want to build feel free to send me a message/reply and I'll see what I can do to help you.

On January 03 2014 22:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
And the feedback is exactly what i thought The shadow is just in an extremely bad spot, to the point where i would say that it is bad game design :/ I am gonna roll the roulette until he dies, which will be pretty soon i guess and then switch to another Nemesis class and play shadow only for the funsies in normal. It's too late to respec now, maybe i can put in even more passive points in defensive and the problem will go away, but i doubt it.

On January 03 2014 12:56 EchelonTee wrote:
Check vendors for items, I can almost guarantee that there are lvl 25 boots with 2 sockets waiting in one of the vendor shops. They refresh every level.

Your energy shield isn't high enough to be reliable at all at that level. In addition, a large amount of the ES a person typically comes from their int, which supplies %ES. If you are not interested in being a caster / stacking int, ES is not the build you should be using. For any build that can't use ES well, you have to stack life. It's just the nature of any ARPG; if you don't have enough life you're fucked. As a side note, hybrid HP/ES builds do exist and are viable, but it's not recommended if you're a beginner.

To equip a dagger, you can quickly get int by equipping a Lapis Amulet or some other Int increasing amulet, which are easily purchasable at vendors. Otherwise, there are larger +30 int nodes around the tree that you can spend a single skill point on. Otherwise, I would recommend using a Claw, which don't require as much int and are better at lower levels, as they have inherent life leech.

Lastly, I would say Shadows are probably the hardest class for a beginner to play. If you are dead set on playing that class you can make it work for sure, but you'd probably have an easier/more fun time playing any other class.

On January 04 2014 06:22 Broetchenholer wrote:
The difference is, that a Templar or Marauder gets his "normal" playstyle without any problems. Of course not everything has to be viable. But if using a class, or a specific "standard" playstyle means you are automatically less viable, then this is kinda counterproductive. D3 was a good example of a game without real choice, just fakechoice. This game certainly goes a different path. So, how much does a Ranger, Duelist or Marauder have to regret?

On January 04 2014 06:07 Varanice wrote:
Where have you been Evo? Havent seen you in forever dude..

Sold the secret of the rods for a 6L legacy shav today.. that was interesting. lol.

On January 04 2014 19:11 Miragee wrote:


A specific standard doesn't exist in PoE. The archetypes are _very_ weak and have a lot of adds to them that don't exist in most games. To be honest: I started into the game without doing research, too. I picked a Shadow as my first char and wanted to play Crit Daggers. So I did the same like you. I reached Act 2 Cruel without too much dying (I think 3-4 times, Dominus didn't exist at that point) but my Killspeed was rather low at that point and I had 700 HP (but more than 70% Chance to Evade). I started two other characters, each time learning from my mistakes. Then with my fourth I picked up a build from the internet (groundslam marauder) to learn what other people effectively skill like. By now, when I make a build, I spend a lot of time in the wiki for Uniques/skills and in front of the passive tree and also - depending on the build - looking up similar builds on the internet to draw inspiration from them.
A CritDagger build isn't bad for leveling because it's bad for leveling. It's bad for leveling because you have to buy expensive Daggers just for leveling from money you won't have with your first character (later on you will have it but might not want to spend it just to level with daggers). Evasion is pretty good. Back to your archetype argument: Energy Shield isn't more archetypical for Shadow than life is. Energy Shield just doesn't exist in other games (or similar mechanics exist seldom). So why do you think it is archetypical for Shadows? Because there are nodes nearby? If anything, Shadows archetyp is to have a low life pool and that just doesn't work in aRPGs. You have to stack a life-buffer. So when you decide which one to take with your first character you should decide for the easier to stack one - which is life. People already explained why. As I said, a decision made because of Archetype doesn't make any sense because an Archetype doesn't exist in this example.

On January 04 2014 15:10 EchelonTee wrote:



Please read my post for feedback on how to play a shadow low level. My first char in Dom was a dagger based shadow, it works fine but if you don't even know how to equip your own items and dont listen to advice you have no hope. Specifically, you had problems because you couldn't find new boots and couldn't equip your weapons, which are not the fault of the shadow class at all.