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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
January 02 2014 12:35 GMT
#12761
On January 02 2014 20:58 Broetchenholer wrote:
Now where would be the fun (or drama) in that :D


True. If you enjoy losing characters to the unknown then POE hardcore i definetly the game for you
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 17:59:34
January 02 2014 17:54 GMT
#12762
I just hate Piety because lightning damage has a stupid range. Other damage has like 200-400, Lightning is going to have from 20 to 20000, which means a lucky crit that connects is still going to completely wreck you.

By the same reasoning I religiously avoid +lightning damage mods on maps.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 03 2014 00:04 GMT
#12763
do all nem mods spawn in normal mode?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 00:07:36
January 03 2014 00:05 GMT
#12764
On January 03 2014 09:04 oneofthem wrote:
do all nem mods spawn in normal mode?


No. You won't see corrupting blood, storm herald, proximity shield, or shroud walker until cruel.

is it worth starting the one week a couple days late is the real question ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
January 03 2014 02:22 GMT
#12765
This game is sadly quite frustrating. I am playing solo Nemesis and i am constantly almost dying, cause my equip is so laughable. I have several Orbs of Alchemy in my stash, but i don't have anything to upgrade. I would. The second a white lvl 25 item for my Shadow with 2 or more sockets drops, i would totally start crafting. But they don't. It's ridiculous. My boots are lvl 2 rares, my helmet is a lvl 10 blue the rest of the equip is blue crap. Can anybody tell me why the difference between a lvl 16 shield and a lvl 22 shield is 5 evasion and 2 energyshield? Really? Thats the base difference? Oh wait, those shields have the extremely useful thorns stat. And why do i need 60 int to equip a dagger that is appropriate for my level? If i want to use daggers, i need to skill as much int as a mage woul. So fucking stupid. where shall all the int come from god damnit? And on top of that, the hybrid defense of the shadow seems to be extremely flawed. Your health pool is so low, that anything that bypasses your evasion is a real problem. Caster levels are the biggest pain in the ass ever. Right now, my ES doesn't make up that much of that pool, but once i am getting more of that, Chaos damage will completely wreck me. It feels like you absolutely have to invest in Health as well, although you get absolutely no synergy from it, and that just sucks. Sry for the rant, has anybody got experience in ES/evasion shadows, how dead am i gonna be? Right now, Normal difficulty act 2 is hard enough...
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 03 2014 02:55 GMT
#12766
Typically for energy shield builds you play life until level 70 and then respec into chaos inoculation. You are correct that it is very hard to play ES builds leveling up, especially as a first character.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
January 03 2014 03:48 GMT
#12767
Daggers are also very weak while leveling, as it's extremely hard to roll a good one, and you don't get much out of crits yet. Leveling with a 2h with spectral throw and life will pretty much always be easier, no matter what you plan for the lategame.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
January 03 2014 03:53 GMT
#12768
Usually when you want to make an ES based character you level as a life based character with about 10-12 life nodes and then once you are level 60-70ish in A2M you swap over to ES by using your free respec points on quests and a ES gear set that you have been setting up. It would be insanely hard to try and play CI from level 20.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
January 03 2014 03:56 GMT
#12769
Check vendors for items, I can almost guarantee that there are lvl 25 boots with 2 sockets waiting in one of the vendor shops. They refresh every level.

Your energy shield isn't high enough to be reliable at all at that level. In addition, a large amount of the ES a person typically comes from their int, which supplies %ES. If you are not interested in being a caster / stacking int, ES is not the build you should be using. For any build that can't use ES well, you have to stack life. It's just the nature of any ARPG; if you don't have enough life you're fucked. As a side note, hybrid HP/ES builds do exist and are viable, but it's not recommended if you're a beginner.

To equip a dagger, you can quickly get int by equipping a Lapis Amulet or some other Int increasing amulet, which are easily purchasable at vendors. Otherwise, there are larger +30 int nodes around the tree that you can spend a single skill point on. Otherwise, I would recommend using a Claw, which don't require as much int and are better at lower levels, as they have inherent life leech.

Lastly, I would say Shadows are probably the hardest class for a beginner to play. If you are dead set on playing that class you can make it work for sure, but you'd probably have an easier/more fun time playing any other class.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 04:59:10
January 03 2014 04:19 GMT
#12770
I'd honestly recommend Templar as the starter for most players. Naturally tanky, can build anything (except not so good with bows or daggers, but IMO you shouldn't touch those if you're new, either low dps or too squish and you'll just die into frustrate into mad into play bad).
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IcED Bk
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada245 Posts
January 03 2014 04:25 GMT
#12771
On January 03 2014 11:22 Broetchenholer wrote:
This game is sadly quite frustrating. I am playing solo Nemesis and i am constantly almost dying, cause my equip is so laughable. I have several Orbs of Alchemy in my stash, but i don't have anything to upgrade. I would. The second a white lvl 25 item for my Shadow with 2 or more sockets drops, i would totally start crafting. But they don't. It's ridiculous. My boots are lvl 2 rares, my helmet is a lvl 10 blue the rest of the equip is blue crap. Can anybody tell me why the difference between a lvl 16 shield and a lvl 22 shield is 5 evasion and 2 energyshield? Really? Thats the base difference? Oh wait, those shields have the extremely useful thorns stat. And why do i need 60 int to equip a dagger that is appropriate for my level? If i want to use daggers, i need to skill as much int as a mage woul. So fucking stupid. where shall all the int come from god damnit? And on top of that, the hybrid defense of the shadow seems to be extremely flawed. Your health pool is so low, that anything that bypasses your evasion is a real problem. Caster levels are the biggest pain in the ass ever. Right now, my ES doesn't make up that much of that pool, but once i am getting more of that, Chaos damage will completely wreck me. It feels like you absolutely have to invest in Health as well, although you get absolutely no synergy from it, and that just sucks. Sry for the rant, has anybody got experience in ES/evasion shadows, how dead am i gonna be? Right now, Normal difficulty act 2 is hard enough...


Tbh with my first character I have been lucky with the paths taken with my build. I did ranger with mass aoe split/fork/punture etc. Items are very important and if you fall behind on that it will be very hard to run threw the game. I am on merciless act1 and some items have not changed for me since cruel since it works well with my class. First time playing is rough on this game it is not like Diablo where it can be forgiving.
Advanced Dota 2 player and HoTs Diamond player and HS Player (almost legend ;P)
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 09:32:43
January 03 2014 07:28 GMT
#12772
WTS another Fishing Rod.

Edit: sold for 50 ex and 6 ex equiv
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
January 03 2014 13:30 GMT
#12773
And the feedback is exactly what i thought The shadow is just in an extremely bad spot, to the point where i would say that it is bad game design :/ I am gonna roll the roulette until he dies, which will be pretty soon i guess and then switch to another Nemesis class and play shadow only for the funsies in normal. It's too late to respec now, maybe i can put in even more passive points in defensive and the problem will go away, but i doubt it.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 03 2014 13:33 GMT
#12774
On January 03 2014 16:28 Varanice wrote:
WTS another Fishing Rod.

Edit: sold for 50 ex and 6 ex equiv

how do you farm these lol
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 13:59:20
January 03 2014 13:34 GMT
#12775
On January 03 2014 22:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
And the feedback is exactly what i thought The shadow is just in an extremely bad spot, to the point where i would say that it is bad game design :/ I am gonna roll the roulette until he dies, which will be pretty soon i guess and then switch to another Nemesis class and play shadow only for the funsies in normal. It's too late to respec now, maybe i can put in even more passive points in defensive and the problem will go away, but i doubt it.

starting blind is pretty much a waste of time. all the 'learn while you play' stuff is nonsense. look for a guide from a streamer or something and build a char that can farm first. then fund your experiments.

shadow for example is not bad at all. you just need money to fund the gears for most shadow builds since they are reliant on es and crit. outside of summoner builds, es based builds tend to be more gear intensive but have higher late game ceiling.


also, the base stat of an item at lvl 6 vs lvl 20 may not differ by much, but they can probably roll different mods based on their ilvl (you can check ilvl by picking up the item on your cursor and type /itemlevel , or get a script like POEdisplay). so a lvl 6 belt or something can only roll 20 life but a lvl 20 one can roll 50 life etc
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8660 Posts
January 03 2014 14:10 GMT
#12776
On January 03 2014 22:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
And the feedback is exactly what i thought The shadow is just in an extremely bad spot, to the point where i would say that it is bad game design :/ I am gonna roll the roulette until he dies, which will be pretty soon i guess and then switch to another Nemesis class and play shadow only for the funsies in normal. It's too late to respec now, maybe i can put in even more passive points in defensive and the problem will go away, but i doubt it.


Funny how people start the game, have no sense how to play it but start to call out bad game design. Shadow has good builds that are viable for hardcore. It also has low-cost builds that are viable for hardcore. It's just that the builds you picked are bad for beginners and expensive. But that can be said for every class. Also, if you don't know what items, nodes and gems to pick, your character will probably suck regardless of the direction of your "build".

So: The feedback was that Daggers and CI/ES-based builds are not good for beginners and for leveling because they are very gear depended (which means with the right items they can be really really strong). And your conclusion was that Shadow is just bad for beginners. Which is wrong. Trapper is a good example for being a not gear depended build and relatively easy to pick node routes. You also get a lot of useful gems just through quests.
Shinbi
Profile Joined December 2009
338 Posts
January 03 2014 14:28 GMT
#12777
Yeah, this sounds more like a build deficiency as opposed to a class or game design issue - especially if getting 60 int for daggers as a shadow is pressing =/
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 15:05:16
January 03 2014 15:05 GMT
#12778
im still looking for 200+ ipd daggers with open prefix rolls basically everyday on xyz lol. daggers can be insane with the right build
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
January 03 2014 15:11 GMT
#12779
On January 03 2014 22:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
And the feedback is exactly what i thought The shadow is just in an extremely bad spot, to the point where i would say that it is bad game design :/ I am gonna roll the roulette until he dies, which will be pretty soon i guess and then switch to another Nemesis class and play shadow only for the funsies in normal. It's too late to respec now, maybe i can put in even more passive points in defensive and the problem will go away, but i doubt it.


This is just sad. I play nemisis with a selffound shadow and so far it is the strongest easiest character I have played. Please make some research before you come into a forum and spout "bad game design".

All you did is probably make an awful build and at the same time you play hardcore. Hardcore in POE is about kiting and making viable builds, balancing dmg with survivability.

One tip, in hardcore, HP is king!
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5498 Posts
January 03 2014 15:14 GMT
#12780
Can somebody point me to a shadow guide?

Good one, up to date. Also do the refund passive skills thing reset your tree completely or just 1 point? Haven't dared use it yet.
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