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Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
December 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#12721
I think i'm gonna play EA in the 1 week race, starting out as ST and transitioning to EA at around level 50-60 or so. Gonna have to pick Scion so I get the gems I need. Will still need to buy a proliferate gem and a Quill Rain possibly. Also, I can probably spend 3 points and get Conduit and spam frenzy charges, how useful would that actually be in a 1 week race though? (usually fire 5 arrows, curse, then spam split arrow+ chain +Lgoh/bow skill +gmp chain+lgoh)

gonna go work on a scion tree.
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SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
December 31 2013 00:09 GMT
#12722
I'm probably gonna do the 1 week race super-casually aswell. Planning on leveling as ST Scion and if I get to a higher level transitioning into CI Bow eventually.

I'm not quite sure what to do though. I think Phys Bow builds are very strong, especially with the buff to phys rolls on bows, but I've played phys RoA so many times, I kinda wanna do something different.

Has anyone tried Ele dmg LA post-release? How good is it compared to pre-release? Can you sustain the mana with two auras?

So many questions, no time to playtest.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 00:43:31
December 31 2013 00:42 GMT
#12723
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABAdwB5wOWBS0SaRLhFCAUcRSwFm8XHBmFGmwbyBv6JKol3yftKPoppTWSNug26TlSOjA64TsoQKBBh0GqQzFKyE3jTipObVBHVcZYB1ivXhNgQ2BLYSFuPW6qcXlyqXTteA1673zZgseC5IMJhO-HKYjxiq-PRpARm6Gdrp65n8ukGaZXpwinMKlurFmsmKyqtfK2Qbc-uJO8N76KvrzPZdDQ2t3fv-Lq42rnY-vu8kXz3fcy99f46_no_gr-jw==

How does this tree look? I changed it a bit from the bread and butter EA build, I cut the marauder area and EE so I could get double curse and be more useful in parties.

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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 31 2013 02:42 GMT
#12724
if i could play in this race i'd make a trapper. but not sure about how gear dependent that is. without sunblast etc will trappers do good dmg?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
December 31 2013 04:16 GMT
#12725
On December 31 2013 05:01 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 15:51 EchelonTee wrote:
I think the burned miscreation summoner is the best MFer.

I personally was running an EK EB MFer; the gear requirement for EK is really low so it's easy to stack on MF, and I find it more fun than playing a summoner. I got to 200 rarity/43 quant pretty easily, and my clear speed on Piety was good.


How do you build that guy? Can you farm Dominus with that character? I'm trying to level a summoner, but its really slow. I've got a 5L Searing Touch-- does linking Spectre + Fire Pen + Burning Damage make the Burned Miscreation do more damage?

I run like 150iir on my Templar (and he's tanky as heck already), plus I get the extra iir+iiq (like 50/30?) when I cull bosses. I'd like to really crank up my MF to the point where when I kill a boss it looks like the Vaults map.

Also because I am a huge lore geek, I want GG to release a sword for Daresso because he's a badass, but it would probably be super GG and cost like 200 ex.


I still can't run dominus but that's only because first form dominus will absolutely rape my zombies (and BMs for that matter). If im lucky ill be left with at least 5 or 6 which makes his second form slow but doable.

For BM damage. Best is Minion Damage or Increased burning damage. Fire pen doesn't work with them (quality'd firepen works but only because of the quality effect of inc burning dmg). I believe Minion life also increases their damage as unrighteous fire is similar to righteous fire minus the life loss. Increased AoE is nice too, I've read that Concentrated effect also works. Frankly I do a 4L Spec+Min dmg+Inc AOE+Min Life. They already do so much damage, I still want to try cull shit with my zombies. You can also run vulnerability and/or elemental weakness to boost their damage, though i sitll prefer defensive curses.

I wouldn't recommend using a searing touch either because frankly, focusing on your own tankiness is better. Not to mention you can trade some tankiness for IIR/IIQ on rings/amulets etc when you have a good shield and decent defensive weapon.

Levelling will always be slow until you hit high level zombies and spec/support gems. But now that everything I have is around lvl 19 (and a montreguls), I only get slowed down at boss fights on high level maps. Most creep mobs just die in a few seconds to BMs/Zombies.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 05:05:26
December 31 2013 04:55 GMT
#12726
On December 31 2013 05:01 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 15:51 EchelonTee wrote:
I think the burned miscreation summoner is the best MFer.

I personally was running an EK EB MFer; the gear requirement for EK is really low so it's easy to stack on MF, and I find it more fun than playing a summoner. I got to 200 rarity/43 quant pretty easily, and my clear speed on Piety was good.


How do you build that guy? Can you farm Dominus with that character? I'm trying to level a summoner, but its really slow. I've got a 5L Searing Touch-- does linking Spectre + Fire Pen + Burning Damage make the Burned Miscreation do more damage?

I run like 150iir on my Templar (and he's tanky as heck already), plus I get the extra iir+iiq (like 50/30?) when I cull bosses. I'd like to really crank up my MF to the point where when I kill a boss it looks like the Vaults map.

Also because I am a huge lore geek, I want GG to release a sword for Daresso because he's a badass, but it would probably be super GG and cost like 200 ex.


Passive Tree

This is the core build; you can adjust the build if you don't want to run multiple auras, if you need more life, more damage, etc. There are a lot of HP nodes accessible, and the path of the savant node up from the Scion is good. You can use Cloak of Defiance instead of the MoM keystone, but I didn't want to spend currency on that 5L unique.

5L is EK linked to Faster Proj, Faster Casting, Life Leech, Added Fire. A 6th link should be empower, I haven't tested any alternatives. Auras are Clarity, Hatred, Haste(or Grace), and Arctic Armour. All auras + AA should be maxed level, but make sure your mana can sustain it. For defensive spells you can use anything you prefer; skelly totem, CwDT setup, etc. For culling, I just used an EK+Culling+IIR (can't use IIQ in new league); using FP might be preferrable.

You need an ES shield for mana pool, but your armour has to be hybrid or else you'll never get your links. I ran Goldwyrm, Auresize, and Perandus Blazon for uniques; the rest you fill out with resists and rarity as possible.

I don't think it's really good for solo dominus farming because your single target dps is quite poor, but it's great in parties to deal with trash mobs and supply some auras. TBH it's a super cookie cutter build that many people regard as boring, but I have a lot of fun with it when your EK covers half the screen. I have no idea how the burning miscreation summoner works, you'll have to look around.

Apparantly Spectral Throw works for farming: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/646339
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 31 2013 05:40 GMT
#12727
Thanks for the advice ya'll :D

Anyone know how Avatar of Fire interacts with fire -> x mods?
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 06:57:25
December 31 2013 06:54 GMT
#12728
On December 31 2013 14:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thanks for the advice ya'll :D

Anyone know how Avatar of Fire interacts with fire -> x mods?


My Templar was based Avatar of Fire before the switch so I can shed some light in this .

Fire mod works directly on the fire portion of the attack, so since AoF makes all your attack fire, it's essential increase all your attack by that percentage.

E.g
You have 100 phy dmg, 20% increase phy dmg,, 30% increase fire dmg.
All your physical get convert into fire at 50% efficiency, so now you deal 50 fire dmg.
The fire dmg was once physical dmg, so it gets 20% bonus. It is also fire dmg, so it also gets the 30% bonus.
The bonus for damage conversion is additive ( a lot of ppl make mistake about this ).
So your dmg in the end is ( 100 * 50% ) * ( 1 + 0.2 + 0.3 ) = 75 fire dmg

Hopes this help
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8699 Posts
December 31 2013 11:21 GMT
#12729
On December 31 2013 11:42 oneofthem wrote:
if i could play in this race i'd make a trapper. but not sure about how gear dependent that is. without sunblast etc will trappers do good dmg?


I think trapper are rather not gear dependend. While they certainly have some good uniques (but only the belt is worth exalts I think) and good spell damage wand/shield will be good, you don't "really" need them. A decent spell damage wand should should be enough since traps do a lot of damage by themselves and have godlike nodes in the passive as well as scaling of spell damage nodes.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 11:46:14
December 31 2013 11:44 GMT
#12730
New patch is not gonna be out in time so freeze mine abuse is still perfectly viable until then.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 31 2013 12:02 GMT
#12731
freeze mine is fine for parties in high maps but this race should be about clear speed and safe dps. traps cant be reflected ( i think) so you can stack a bit of crit multi and clear stuff really fast without sacrificing tankiness
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 12:13:22
December 31 2013 12:12 GMT
#12732
I kinda hit a wall of no gear progression on the MF guy (393/64) since I don't wanna spend currency lol ;_;

Saw a 47 helm (which means both iir roll is definitely top tier and can be divine to 50 max) for sale for just 10c, a good improvement for my 42 atm. If it's a week ago I would snipe the thing alrdy, but now I suddenly really really want an Aegis that I just can't spend on anything
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8699 Posts
December 31 2013 12:13 GMT
#12733
On December 31 2013 21:02 oneofthem wrote:
freeze mine is fine for parties in high maps but this race should be about clear speed and safe dps. traps cant be reflected ( i think) so you can stack a bit of crit multi and clear stuff really fast without sacrificing tankiness


Yip, damage from traps can't be reflected to you.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 31 2013 16:07 GMT
#12734
On December 31 2013 13:16 FractalsOnFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 05:01 ticklishmusic wrote:
On December 30 2013 15:51 EchelonTee wrote:
I think the burned miscreation summoner is the best MFer.

I personally was running an EK EB MFer; the gear requirement for EK is really low so it's easy to stack on MF, and I find it more fun than playing a summoner. I got to 200 rarity/43 quant pretty easily, and my clear speed on Piety was good.


How do you build that guy? Can you farm Dominus with that character? I'm trying to level a summoner, but its really slow. I've got a 5L Searing Touch-- does linking Spectre + Fire Pen + Burning Damage make the Burned Miscreation do more damage?

I run like 150iir on my Templar (and he's tanky as heck already), plus I get the extra iir+iiq (like 50/30?) when I cull bosses. I'd like to really crank up my MF to the point where when I kill a boss it looks like the Vaults map.

Also because I am a huge lore geek, I want GG to release a sword for Daresso because he's a badass, but it would probably be super GG and cost like 200 ex.


I still can't run dominus but that's only because first form dominus will absolutely rape my zombies (and BMs for that matter). If im lucky ill be left with at least 5 or 6 which makes his second form slow but doable.

For BM damage. Best is Minion Damage or Increased burning damage. Fire pen doesn't work with them (quality'd firepen works but only because of the quality effect of inc burning dmg). I believe Minion life also increases their damage as unrighteous fire is similar to righteous fire minus the life loss. Increased AoE is nice too, I've read that Concentrated effect also works. Frankly I do a 4L Spec+Min dmg+Inc AOE+Min Life. They already do so much damage, I still want to try cull shit with my zombies. You can also run vulnerability and/or elemental weakness to boost their damage, though i sitll prefer defensive curses.

I wouldn't recommend using a searing touch either because frankly, focusing on your own tankiness is better. Not to mention you can trade some tankiness for IIR/IIQ on rings/amulets etc when you have a good shield and decent defensive weapon.

Levelling will always be slow until you hit high level zombies and spec/support gems. But now that everything I have is around lvl 19 (and a montreguls), I only get slowed down at boss fights on high level maps. Most creep mobs just die in a few seconds to BMs/Zombies.


Minion Damage doesn't work on BM minions afaik. Life does.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 19:46:38
December 31 2013 19:41 GMT
#12735
On December 31 2013 15:54 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 14:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thanks for the advice ya'll :D

Anyone know how Avatar of Fire interacts with fire -> x mods?


My Templar was based Avatar of Fire before the switch so I can shed some light in this .

Fire mod works directly on the fire portion of the attack, so since AoF makes all your attack fire, it's essential increase all your attack by that percentage.

E.g
You have 100 phy dmg, 20% increase phy dmg,, 30% increase fire dmg.
All your physical get convert into fire at 50% efficiency, so now you deal 50 fire dmg.
The fire dmg was once physical dmg, so it gets 20% bonus. It is also fire dmg, so it also gets the 30% bonus.
The bonus for damage conversion is additive ( a lot of ppl make mistake about this ).
So your dmg in the end is ( 100 * 50% ) * ( 1 + 0.2 + 0.3 ) = 75 fire dmg

Hopes this help


Hmm okay. But suppose I use Infernal Mantle (now I've got 4 troll Shav's -__-), will it convert my fire damage to chaos?

EDIT: Also, buy the helm dude. It's 10 chaos, the investment pays off fast. 10 chaos is like an hour of farming anyways. Well, that's for me, its probably significantly less for you.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
December 31 2013 20:10 GMT
#12736
On January 01 2014 04:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 15:54 vndestiny wrote:
On December 31 2013 14:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thanks for the advice ya'll :D

Anyone know how Avatar of Fire interacts with fire -> x mods?


My Templar was based Avatar of Fire before the switch so I can shed some light in this .

Fire mod works directly on the fire portion of the attack, so since AoF makes all your attack fire, it's essential increase all your attack by that percentage.

E.g
You have 100 phy dmg, 20% increase phy dmg,, 30% increase fire dmg.
All your physical get convert into fire at 50% efficiency, so now you deal 50 fire dmg.
The fire dmg was once physical dmg, so it gets 20% bonus. It is also fire dmg, so it also gets the 30% bonus.
The bonus for damage conversion is additive ( a lot of ppl make mistake about this ).
So your dmg in the end is ( 100 * 50% ) * ( 1 + 0.2 + 0.3 ) = 75 fire dmg

Hopes this help


Hmm okay. But suppose I use Infernal Mantle (now I've got 4 troll Shav's -__-), will it convert my fire damage to chaos?

EDIT: Also, buy the helm dude. It's 10 chaos, the investment pays off fast. 10 chaos is like an hour of farming anyways. Well, that's for me, its probably significantly less for you.


Yeah I snatched it
And AoF has the part "deal no other dmg" so unfortunately no
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 31 2013 22:33 GMT
#12737
avatar of fire is shit don't use it
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
December 31 2013 22:38 GMT
#12738
On January 01 2014 07:33 oneofthem wrote:
avatar of fire is shit don't use it

My Dom character is horrible.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
January 01 2014 03:33 GMT
#12739
On January 01 2014 07:33 oneofthem wrote:
avatar of fire is shit don't use it


Wish I knew this earlier and didn't have to spend 15 respect points + xp from lvl 1 - 80 lvling gems I wouldnt use
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 01 2014 03:35 GMT
#12740
The xp from 1-80 is the same amount from like 80 to 86 though, so its not *that* bad
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