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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 17 2017 10:59 GMT
#24381
My thoughts too, but I'm also considering a lycosidae weapon swap with spectral throw + shield charge over ball lightning. Honestly decay is just stupid lol.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 12:32:52
June 17 2017 12:31 GMT
#24382
On June 17 2017 19:59 bo1b wrote:
My thoughts too, but I'm also considering a lycosidae weapon swap with spectral throw + shield charge over ball lightning. Honestly decay is just stupid lol.

You want as little support skills that don't make decay better as you can. Spectral Throw needs GMP, Ball Lightning can work as is. Frost Blades work with Scepters and so does Sunder and they are both good as AoE Decay deliver but accuracy then becomes a problem. And I don't think Decay is stupid. It does about same as Detonate Dead in 3.0

ED + Contagion will still kill faster with a bit more micro needed.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 17 2017 13:46 GMT
#24383
St gmp decay will clear entire screens at at a time while shield charging around at light speed.

Decay is so strong that if it gets put in the game in its current implementation it will ruin the game. Ball lightning not only has a cast time but its projectile speed is pathetic and its aoe is minuscule.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that decay as a skill gem encourages you to do nothing but stack up defence as ed on a 6 link will melt bosses for free before t16.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 14:17:38
June 17 2017 14:17 GMT
#24384
On June 17 2017 22:46 bo1b wrote:
St gmp decay will clear entire screens at at a time while shield charging around at light speed.

Decay is so strong that if it gets put in the game in its current implementation it will ruin the game. Ball lightning not only has a cast time but its projectile speed is pathetic and its aoe is minuscule.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that decay as a skill gem encourages you to do nothing but stack up defence as ed on a 6 link will melt bosses for free before t16.

It has 50% stronger base damage than fully buffed base damage of CA. And you don't need to use a bow. Unless CA is considered broken, decay is not either. At least until someone finds a build that clears screens much faster.

Run the numbers in Path of Building. It is not THAT strong.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 17 2017 14:27 GMT
#24385
It's broken because a 3 link can comfortably clear a screen while you whirl away to a boss with an actual damage dealing ability - such as essence drain.
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
June 18 2017 04:18 GMT
#24386
Do we have a beta guild?
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 18 2017 11:17 GMT
#24387
I wonder what rarity tier CoD will be at. I've started theorycrafting for 3.0 release but I don't know if I can reliably plan around getting cod or not
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 13:00:24
June 18 2017 12:58 GMT
#24388
It will most likely be several exalts.

You just started playing during legacy right? Good to see someone theorycrafting :D

The good news is that it's not actually necessary, even with a cod you'd want the points behind the mind over matter keystone as they give the most effective hp per point. So in that sense, you can farm up to it comfortably.

My guess is that it will be either 10+ ex, or it will be around about the price that shavs is now.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 18 2017 13:10 GMT
#24389
On June 18 2017 13:18 LagLovah wrote:
Do we have a beta guild?

Yeah, see modnote. =P

Drop charactername in here or PM me with it etc. - the usual. I'm still waiting for that third lab. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 18 2017 14:54 GMT
#24390
On June 18 2017 21:58 bo1b wrote:
It will most likely be several exalts.

You just started playing during legacy right? Good to see someone theorycrafting :D



naw i've been playing off and on since the day the game went into open beta
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 20:37:00
June 18 2017 15:52 GMT
#24391
On June 17 2017 23:27 bo1b wrote:
It's broken because a 3 link can comfortably clear a screen while you whirl away to a boss with an actual damage dealing ability - such as essence drain.

3 link as ST+GMP+Decay?
No. That is 1500 dps multiplied by nothing except chaos damage passives. You might get it to 6000 or so dps but that is 2-3s to kill white mobs on yellow maps. Blue ones will be superslow and you will need to use your ED for every yellow mob.
As a guy that just spent 50h playing a CA that switches with ED build this is not as strong as you think.
But what is strong is a trapper/miner/totem bladefall+poison+decay where trap/mine/totem passives/supports give bonus damage to all 3 damage sources. And add a decay weapon on top of it
EDIT: actually it seems decay weapon does not stack with decay support.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 20:34:29
June 18 2017 20:31 GMT
#24392
OK I ran this through PoB, got 41k DPS from Decay and 7.5k hit from single Bladefall Trap + total poison damage of 19.5k.
This is best case scenario with both curses and enemy having 0 chaos resistance or physical damage resistance. Also I didn't use Cluster Traps because PoB does not know how to calculate it so it just reduces damage.
I will have to try a critical hit version with an Assassin.

Also I will check if the totem version is better (due to ability to constantly cast new bladefalls which result in more poison stacks). But totems have a certain penalty with Occultist due to some Occultist abilities like Profane Boom needing you to kill and not totems. With traps that is solved by enemies being killed by DoT after trap no longer exists and that is then counted as your kill and not from the trap.
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 05:10:44
June 18 2017 22:22 GMT
#24393
Was messing around with path of building on a baron SRS / Kitava herald summoner .... cant import kitavas yet because theres no public data but they are melee so it should be insane. 1000 Str + the baron gives SRS 40% more dmg, so with kitava's that should be insane.

Pretty solid mimic of the SC baron summoner I did in legacy, has 6k life 3500 es or so, but the dps will be way higher with a viable melee spectre.

Can the kitavas escape the inevitable nerf the only viable spectre strategy GGG employs? I am excited to find out!

Finished the beta acts... died a couple times but mostly cause i was using trash gear and 20% res. Didn't seem too overly difficult.
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 19 2017 05:33 GMT
#24394
did you see uberelite's video on the new spectres? goes over the pros and cons of each. I think some sort of Baron summer with shaper's touch will be very strong, huge EHP and the usual good clear of a summoner

the beta acts aren't too crazy, but compared to Cruel acts 1-3 it's much harder I'd say. fights like Kitava and Arakali are at least on par with Malachai IMO, which means money from rushing going to be sweeeeet
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 19 2017 07:03 GMT
#24395
I actually really like the difficulty they have in beta. Actually really like it over all, think it's going in a nice direction and with a few tweaks would be amazing.
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
June 19 2017 12:24 GMT
#24396
On June 19 2017 14:33 EchelonTee wrote:
did you see uberelite's video on the new spectres? goes over the pros and cons of each. I think some sort of Baron summer with shaper's touch will be very strong, huge EHP and the usual good clear of a summoner

the beta acts aren't too crazy, but compared to Cruel acts 1-3 it's much harder I'd say. fights like Kitava and Arakali are at least on par with Malachai IMO, which means money from rushing going to be sweeeeet



I watched a few things on what spectre's are available, but honestly, if its not melee based, its not worth using with a baron build.

Seriously, the dps on my srs goes from 21k to 36k just by equipping that helmet, if you aren't going to use melee, there is no point in getting the extra spectre's. Also resists will be difficult with having to use bones of ulir. Not sure that's viable without some top tier gear, or using bow + quiver with str/life/res.
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
June 19 2017 12:26 GMT
#24397
On June 19 2017 21:24 LagLovah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 14:33 EchelonTee wrote:
did you see uberelite's video on the new spectres? goes over the pros and cons of each. I think some sort of Baron summer with shaper's touch will be very strong, huge EHP and the usual good clear of a summoner

the beta acts aren't too crazy, but compared to Cruel acts 1-3 it's much harder I'd say. fights like Kitava and Arakali are at least on par with Malachai IMO, which means money from rushing going to be sweeeeet



I watched a few things on what spectre's are available, but honestly, if its not melee based, its not worth using with a baron build.

Seriously, the dps on my srs goes from 21k to 36k just by equipping that helmet, if you aren't going to use melee, there is no point in getting the extra spectre's. Also resists will be difficult with having to use bones of ulir. Not sure that's viable without some top tier gear, or using bow + quiver with str/life/res.

You can always get resists on jewels.
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
June 19 2017 20:13 GMT
#24398
Thanks build uses 2x Spectre jewels, 2x efficient training and like 4 or 5 brawn's. But I suppose you could swap out 1 for insane res jewels maybe. Boots are tough cause you can get two tone with 50str 100res life ms. Costs alot but solves alot of problems. Resists alone are difficult just cause you have strength on every gear piece.
That said my summoner is ele weak capped, but using a quiver and res boots. Baron shaper touch geoffri.
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 20:29:41
June 19 2017 20:27 GMT
#24399
you could use Doon Cuebiyari to allow Baron's bonus to apply to sockted spectres, it also has a nice strength roll. or you could use iron will in general. I've seen a build that used that with flame sentinels to pretty good effect. in fact I'm pretty sure my SC build will be a Baron Build with flame or ice sentinels

what weapon / offhand were you thinking?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 22:44:28
June 19 2017 21:58 GMT
#24400
Ideally +3 bow + quiver to allow for more stats since it's a srs Spectre build. In a perfect world I want 6 link srs in weapon. 6 link Spectre in chest. 2x aura 1 with generosity in gloves. Vaal haste as well. Curse flame dash faster cast in boots prob. If possible 4 link stone golem in hat, not sure if that's possible with gems I need. Convocation is probably needed as well and decoy totem is amazing for builds like this..

You can use iron will sure but feels like wasted link when you get it for free if you can use a melee Spectre.

My character on legacy is named BiscoBaron. The tree will alter a bit but the gear should stay similar
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