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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
March 03 2016 13:04 GMT
#20781
EK AoE can reach half your screen (saw some video of a build once, don't remember where), problem is like Cynry said all that investment into AoE could have been damage.
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Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
March 03 2016 13:12 GMT
#20782
Yeah, you can reach far with EK, but you're always limited to 9 projectiles, unless you go with chain or pierce, in which case what I said above applies. Bladefall just fucks things up in a wide arc in front of you, regardless of the number of targets.
Plus, if you go for a good amount of cast speed (had almost 240%), it starts feeling like a channeling spell, hold right click to win. Felt good ^^
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 03 2016 13:21 GMT
#20783
On March 03 2016 22:12 Cynry wrote:
Yeah, you can reach far with EK, but you're always limited to 9 projectiles, unless you go with chain or pierce, in which case what I said above applies. Bladefall just fucks things up in a wide arc in front of you, regardless of the number of targets.
Plus, if you go for a good amount of cast speed (had almost 240%), it starts feeling like a channeling spell, hold right click to win. Felt good ^^

I totally thought EK has 100% pierce, I guess that's pretty bad then. Ofc I could use Chain and use something like Blade Vortex or Bladefall + Conc effect for single target in a different link.
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 13:54:52
March 03 2016 13:54 GMT
#20784
So with the league starting tomorrow I was thinking about several builds and I got down to one I am pretty convinced of

1H Gladiator ST with Blood in the Eyes / Outmatch and Outlast

I would get Acrobatics and Darkray Vectors and sustain Frenzy Charges with Outmatch and Outlast.

This is my skeleton of the build: poeurl.com/xTY

Do you guys think this is enough damage with 8 frenzy charges or do I need to pick up more damage? Otherwise all my spare points would go into life
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 03 2016 14:06 GMT
#20785
On March 03 2016 22:21 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 22:12 Cynry wrote:
Yeah, you can reach far with EK, but you're always limited to 9 projectiles, unless you go with chain or pierce, in which case what I said above applies. Bladefall just fucks things up in a wide arc in front of you, regardless of the number of targets.
Plus, if you go for a good amount of cast speed (had almost 240%), it starts feeling like a channeling spell, hold right click to win. Felt good ^^

I totally thought EK has 100% pierce, I guess that's pretty bad then. Ofc I could use Chain and use something like Blade Vortex or Bladefall + Conc effect for single target in a different link.


You could always go Deadeye and get the free chain and initial 100% pierce. You waste a portion of nodes on attack speed and I'm not sure how the arrow pierce chance interacts with just generic pierce for EK crit, but it avoids the damage penalty.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 14:20:04
March 03 2016 14:14 GMT
#20786
On March 03 2016 23:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 22:21 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 03 2016 22:12 Cynry wrote:
Yeah, you can reach far with EK, but you're always limited to 9 projectiles, unless you go with chain or pierce, in which case what I said above applies. Bladefall just fucks things up in a wide arc in front of you, regardless of the number of targets.
Plus, if you go for a good amount of cast speed (had almost 240%), it starts feeling like a channeling spell, hold right click to win. Felt good ^^

I totally thought EK has 100% pierce, I guess that's pretty bad then. Ofc I could use Chain and use something like Blade Vortex or Bladefall + Conc effect for single target in a different link.


You could always go Deadeye and get the free chain and initial 100% pierce. You waste a portion of nodes on attack speed and I'm not sure how the arrow pierce chance interacts with just generic pierce for EK crit, but it avoids the damage penalty.

Attack speed wouldn't be a complete waste if I went (dual) dagger and used Whirling Blades, however then I couldn't get projectile speed from wands and I think Assassin is just too good for phys(!) spells. For Elemental crit ones Inquisitor arguably is even better.

@Vallelol: Really hard to say, it will definitely be playable for low/mid maps. Physical Spectral Throw used to be "shit" if non crit, I can't say if a 20% buff is gonna be enough.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:57:16
March 03 2016 15:44 GMT
#20787
On March 03 2016 14:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 11:07 r.Evo wrote:
e: The hell since when do we have modnotes, did someone get promoted? =P

hi

Oh hi. Feels so fancy.

Ugh.. builds.

I still want to do a lightning Hierophant and some of the new skills seem pretty OP, but then pretty much everything will be good because powercreep.

I think the smart choice is saying fuck it, starting with a CA build and working from there. I ended up regretting not getting one asap the last two leagues, no reason for this to be different now.

Question is:
a) Scion Deadeye/Occultist: 50% Pierce Chance, up to 30% proj dmg further away, -15% Chaos res to cursed enemies, +1 Projectile.

b) Ranger Deadeye: 60% dmg, 20% inc AoE, +1 Proj

c) Duelist Fortify thing: Fortify, 20% Fort effect, 45% EV/AR, 10% AS, 18% MS, 35% dmg.

Treewise it's Scion > Ranger > Duelist. Ranger technically also has the Master Alchemist Shennanigans but I'd need to theorycraft that a bit more. Something tells me that not needing any Freeze/Ignite/Shock flask at all should open up a LOT of cool setups but at first glance I don't think it comes close to all the damage/projection/defense you get from the ones above.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:01:08
March 03 2016 16:52 GMT
#20788
On March 04 2016 00:44 r.Evo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2016 14:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 11:07 r.Evo wrote:
e: The hell since when do we have modnotes, did someone get promoted? =P

hi

Oh hi. Feels so fancy.

Ugh.. builds.

I still want to do a lightning Hierophant and some of the new skills seem pretty OP, but then pretty much everything will be good because powercreep.

I think the smart choice is saying fuck it, starting with a CA build and working from there. I ended up regretting not getting one asap the last two leagues, no reason for this to be different now.

Question is:
a) Scion Deadeye/Occultist: 50% Pierce Chance, up to 30% proj dmg further away, -15% Chaos res to cursed enemies, +1 Projectile.

b) Ranger Deadeye: 60% dmg, 20% inc AoE, +1 Proj

c) Duelist Fortify thing: Fortify, 20% Fort effect, 45% EV/AR, 10% AS, 18% MS, 35% dmg.

Treewise it's Scion > Ranger > Duelist. Ranger technically also has the Master Alchemist Shennanigans but I'd need to theorycraft that a bit more. Something tells me that not needing any Freeze/Ignite/Shock flask at all should open up a LOT of cool setups but at first glance I don't think it comes close to all the damage/projection/defense you get from the ones above.

Dmg wise the first class combination sounds best to me. But to be honest I'd rather take c). Fortify is insane and so is 18%MS.

edit: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1596204/page/1#p12930995 Confirmed that Lightning Warp is still bugged, Whirling Blades it is then.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
March 03 2016 17:53 GMT
#20789
Planning to do Perandus, but I have a MF Windripper Scion I adore in Standard. I do things a bit differently than the cookie cutter bow crit tree where I utilize Lioneye's Fall jewel to change the melee crit nodes and the crit staves nodes by Resolute Technique. And because I utilize both sides of the tree, Scion is what I'm sticking with. With only Rat's Nest and Quiver as my gear with crit and skill tree, I get about 84% crit.

My question is is Assassin Scion worth the ascendancy spec to cap the crit or is 84 good enough? Now keep in mind, that clear speed is the name of the game. I want to clear maps as fast as possible. So far my choices are assassin/beserker/deadeye (using Tornado Shot for single and aoe)/raider with Raider+Beserker being my candidates. Beserker for 10% more damage and I can drop two nodes from the Duelist leech node. Raider for perma-Onslaught, but then I can just replace 1 of 2 of my quicksilvers with the onslaught flask. ARgh I dont know what setup is optimal, any idea liquid denizens?
Without a paddle up shit creek.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:07:15
March 03 2016 18:00 GMT
#20790
On March 04 2016 02:53 matiK23 wrote:
Planning to do Perandus, but I have a MF Windripper Scion I adore in Standard. I do things a bit differently than the cookie cutter bow crit tree where I utilize Lioneye's Fall jewel to change the melee crit nodes and the crit staves nodes by Resolute Technique. And because I utilize both sides of the tree, Scion is what I'm sticking with. With only Rat's Nest and Quiver as my gear with crit and skill tree, I get about 84% crit.

My question is is Assassin Scion worth the ascendancy spec to cap the crit or is 84 good enough? Now keep in mind, that clear speed is the name of the game. I want to clear maps as fast as possible. So far my choices are assassin/beserker/deadeye (using Tornado Shot for single and aoe)/raider with Raider+Beserker being my candidates. Beserker for 10% more damage and I can drop two nodes from the Duelist leech node. Raider for perma-Onslaught, but then I can just replace 1 of 2 of my quicksilvers with the onslaught flask. ARgh I dont know what setup is optimal, any idea liquid denizens?

Thing with Assassin is you reach the crit cap easier to spend more points else, or you don't reach the cap but still have high crit and spend even more points elsewhere. But for bow builds Deadeye is really good for damage as well (and probably better considering you can come close to the crit cap like you said) and the Ascendant combinations you noticed are good as well. If you are not concerned about damage I suggest playing Duelist with perma fortify, or maybe Pathfinder flask build if you can bother doing using those a lot.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:07:30
March 03 2016 18:06 GMT
#20791
Worth considering is that assassin scores you 20 int on the way which may be significant if your build runs certain int gems. I'm fairly convinced raider is just insane, free frenzy charges and onslaught is huge clearspeed. Berserker is nice but remember scion ascendant gets 2 extra passives for free so those 2 leech nodes don't hurt that much and 10% more damage while good is not that big a multiplier. I think tornado shot wastes a lot of whats good with deadeye (pierce). The extra arrow is good but once you are at GMP anyway, 6 isn't much better than 5.

I'm not really sure what's optimal for you either but those are my thoughts.

PS I hope you are planning on taking the forces of nature node that got insanely buffed this patch
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:16:40
March 03 2016 18:13 GMT
#20792
On March 04 2016 03:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Worth considering is that assassin scores you 20 int on the way which may be significant if your build runs certain int gems. I'm fairly convinced raider is just insane, free frenzy charges and onslaught is huge clearspeed. Berserker is nice but remember scion ascendant gets 2 extra passives for free so those 2 leech nodes don't hurt that much and 10% more damage while good is not that big a multiplier. I think tornado shot wastes a lot of whats good with deadeye (pierce). The extra arrow is good but once you are at GMP anyway, 6 isn't much better than 5.

I'm not really sure what's optimal for you either but those are my thoughts.

PS I hope you are planning on taking the forces of nature node that got insanely buffed this patch

Yeah, I got no clue either, but would suggest Neversinks bow guide, he added a nice info section for Ascendancy classes.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:46:22
March 03 2016 18:45 GMT
#20793
Yea I've asked the regulars about my build in Neversink's also, and because the build is optimized for rangers, they are in the same boat as you guys. Although, they are very anti-assassin when I did ask them mostly due to the fact they thought power charge generation is worthless when facing bosses without adds. But then they use HoI CoH Assmark, which is like the same mechanic, so I don't know. I like your suggestions better. I like the point of dropping crit nodes to spec into other nodes. I didn't realize scion gets 2 more passives from ascendancy so I'll drop beserker. So looks like Assassin and Raider are my choices. THanks fellas.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:40:08
March 03 2016 19:38 GMT
#20794
Was thinking of going ascendant deadeye + elementalist self-cast spark, but for elementalist it says "30% increased damage of each damage type for which you have a matching golem". Question is, what the hell is the lightning golem, because

Summon Chaos Golem -> chaos
Summon Ice Golem -> cold
Summon Flame Golem -> fire
Summon Stone Golem -> physical??
????????? -> lightning

Am I being dumb and missing something or what -_-.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:54:03
March 03 2016 19:52 GMT
#20795
On March 04 2016 04:38 Kickstart wrote:
Was thinking of going ascendant deadeye + elementalist self-cast spark, but for elementalist it says "30% increased damage of each damage type for which you have a matching golem". Question is, what the hell is the lightning golem, because

Summon Chaos Golem -> chaos
Summon Ice Golem -> cold
Summon Flame Golem -> fire
Summon Stone Golem -> physical??
????????? -> lightning

Am I being dumb and missing something or what -_-.

No, GGG confirmed there won't be one at Ascendancy release. MAYBE midleague, not even that is confirmed though.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/48oms5/information_for_updating_your_item_filters/d0l9qyt
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 20:01:36
March 03 2016 19:57 GMT
#20796
The closest thing we have to an official comment on Lightning golem is this exchange by Bex:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/48oms5/information_for_updating_your_item_filters/d0la7nn?context=3

I am also somewhat considering spark with the new buffs to pierce. have to not die which remains my big issue

E: dammit tabbed out too long before posting
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
March 03 2016 20:01 GMT
#20797
Well shit, not sure if elementalist is the way to go then :/
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 03 2016 20:05 GMT
#20798
On March 04 2016 05:01 Kickstart wrote:
Well shit, not sure if elementalist is the way to go then :/

No, Deadeye + Berserker is probably the best combination for Spark
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 03 2016 20:05 GMT
#20799
or deadeye + inquisitor
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 20:06:49
March 03 2016 20:06 GMT
#20800
On March 04 2016 05:05 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:01 Kickstart wrote:
Well shit, not sure if elementalist is the way to go then :/

No, Deadeye + Berserker is probably the best combination for Spark


But more damage taken sounds scary in HC ='[
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