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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 21:29:23
March 02 2016 21:12 GMT
#20741
Well I guess you are right, what I meant is that the base crit from spells doesn't get reduced below the minimum. So if you have Arc with 5% crit and Controlled Destruction you'll still have 5%. That's why I thought so, but I suppose it's different with the base crit of the Increased Critical Strikes support gem. At the very least the 80% increased or whatever the gem gives will be nullified I guess.

Also wondering if Toxic Delivery (Assassin node, 10% extra phys to chaos) might be better than Ambush (40% multi and 100% more crit on full monster life) for the EK build I linked earlier. The later would basically be only useful for trash monsters and for leveling. Should be able to cap crit chance easily too so...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 02 2016 21:27 GMT
#20742
There's no reason controlled destruction wouldn't reduce arc to 0% assuming you have no sources of increased crit chance.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 21:28:09
March 02 2016 21:27 GMT
#20743
That's actually a really interesting point HolydaKing. From what I remember chance to crit can be impossible to crit (using RT), 0 (can be modified by Ass Mark), 5%, or >5%. Marylene's Fallacy might be able to drop you to 2.5%, I'm not sure, but otherwise nothing can drop you below 5%. Does the Shadow + base crit or the + base crit on the gem push you from 0 right to 5 or not? Did GGG post about it?

(Controlled destruction doesn't reduce you below 5% afaik)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 21:39:25
March 02 2016 21:28 GMT
#20744
@above me:

I doubt the crit would immediately go to 5% from a 1% node... Though IIRC Mathils was playing Stormcall Inquisitor and showed Incinerate once while leveling and if I'm not horribly mistaken it had ~12ish crit chance and he only had the Critical Strikes gem and crit nodes... So who knows.

edit: Looked up on reddit, there has been the same discussion before: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/4810sn/sois_crit_incinerate_going_to_become_a_thing/

"I think so. Back when Storm Call had 4% base crit you could see 5% crit chance on your character sheet. If you then picked "25% increased crit chance" you still had 5%.

Crit is lowcapped at 5% just as it is highcapped at 95%. The only question is if Incinerate can aquire base crit chance through Ascendancy classes/gem"
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 21:29:56
March 02 2016 21:29 GMT
#20745
Alright well somebody in this thread is mislead. Could be me.

I'll test later i guess.
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pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
March 02 2016 21:49 GMT
#20746
Controlled destruction does not reduce your crit to 0% (6->5 atm for spells). If you have more than 100% crit chance on gear or whatever and use the gem, you will gain crit since its additive.

Also, my lvl 90 character Firestorm only has 580 mana with no +max mana on gear and just 22% max mana in nodes. 1.6k mana with pledge. You'll need significant gear investment or run 0 auras/curses to make MoM noticeable and its really not needed if you do your research and just play safe.

Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 22:05:39
March 02 2016 22:04 GMT
#20747
At level 90, buck naked with no passives allocated beyond 130 int (not even enough to equip level 15 firestorm) you have 600 mana so I don't believe you xd did you mean 850?
+ Show Spoiler +
89 levels times 6 mana per level = 534
40 base
130 int divided by 5 int per mana = 36 mana
total 600


Regardless, even at 1000 mana (utterly trivial to achieve. no effort) and 70% reserved, mind over matter is literally 300 free life that regenerates much faster than life normally does. Sure, thats not a HUGE upside but for 1 point it's sure good and the argument that "it's really not needed if you do your research and just play safe" is pretty silly. You can make the argument about basically every single defensive mechanic, yet people still take defensive mechanics because shit happens and because they'd like to do harder content.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 22:16:37
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#20748
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1595993 GGG post regarding lootfilter. Also it's basically news since all new item names are listed there. A new t10 map confirmed, that's good as that's pretty much the tier I ended up playing.

"Righteous Lightning" oO
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
March 02 2016 22:44 GMT
#20749
On March 03 2016 07:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
At level 90, buck naked with no passives allocated beyond 130 int (not even enough to equip level 15 firestorm) you have 600 mana so I don't believe you xd did you mean 850?
+ Show Spoiler +
89 levels times 6 mana per level = 534
40 base
130 int divided by 5 int per mana = 36 mana
total 600


Regardless, even at 1000 mana (utterly trivial to achieve. no effort) and 70% reserved, mind over matter is literally 300 free life that regenerates much faster than life normally does. Sure, thats not a HUGE upside but for 1 point it's sure good and the argument that "it's really not needed if you do your research and just play safe" is pretty silly. You can make the argument about basically every single defensive mechanic, yet people still take defensive mechanics because shit happens and because they'd like to do harder content.


Apparently it was 878 with 580 mana reserved (252 int, getting 1k isn't exactly trivial outside of pledge, that's skill nodes or +mana affixes somewhere) >-_->. Also keep in mind that, if you take a big enough hit to lose all your mana, you can't immediately cast flame dash or whatever movement skill you have equipped to gtfo, this is actually not a trivial matter as I've almost ripped before with MoM by standing in aoe shit and wondering why my flame dash wasn't going off. My argument wasn't that it was useless, it was that there was no point in investing gear specifically to have +mana/skill nodes when you can just get more damage instead.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
March 02 2016 22:52 GMT
#20750
Started to play PoE recently again and getting ready for ascendancy hype and then my account got hacked yesterday... WTF. The hackers ripped my HC character and stole all my currency, legacy items, etc. I wanted to test out some builds in ascendancy but yeah :/

How safe is that PoE offline planner from emmittJ? That's the only thing PoE related thing I downloaded (and I downloaded it 3-4 days ago) and I barely download anything on this computer. It sounds like it should be legit but I got super paranoid after being hacked and uninstalled that thing.
you live and you learn
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 22:56:26
March 02 2016 22:55 GMT
#20751
On March 03 2016 07:52 illsick wrote:
Started to play PoE recently again and getting ready for ascendancy hype and then my account got hacked yesterday... WTF. The hackers ripped my HC character and stole all my currency, legacy items, etc. I wanted to test out some builds in ascendancy but yeah :/

How safe is that PoE offline planner from emmittJ? That's the only thing PoE related thing I downloaded (and I downloaded it 3-4 days ago) and I barely download anything on this computer. It sounds like it should be legit but I got super paranoid after being hacked and uninstalled that thing.

0 risk, well not zero, but nothing is. You either had an easy password or you got some kind of malware on your PC or w/e.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
March 02 2016 23:02 GMT
#20752
On March 03 2016 07:55 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:52 illsick wrote:
Started to play PoE recently again and getting ready for ascendancy hype and then my account got hacked yesterday... WTF. The hackers ripped my HC character and stole all my currency, legacy items, etc. I wanted to test out some builds in ascendancy but yeah :/

How safe is that PoE offline planner from emmittJ? That's the only thing PoE related thing I downloaded (and I downloaded it 3-4 days ago) and I barely download anything on this computer. It sounds like it should be legit but I got super paranoid after being hacked and uninstalled that thing.

0 risk, well not zero, but nothing is. You either had an easy password or you got some kind of malware on your PC or w/e.


Ok :/

I guess I'll re-download it again
you live and you learn
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 02 2016 23:04 GMT
#20753
On March 03 2016 08:02 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:55 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 03 2016 07:52 illsick wrote:
Started to play PoE recently again and getting ready for ascendancy hype and then my account got hacked yesterday... WTF. The hackers ripped my HC character and stole all my currency, legacy items, etc. I wanted to test out some builds in ascendancy but yeah :/

How safe is that PoE offline planner from emmittJ? That's the only thing PoE related thing I downloaded (and I downloaded it 3-4 days ago) and I barely download anything on this computer. It sounds like it should be legit but I got super paranoid after being hacked and uninstalled that thing.

0 risk, well not zero, but nothing is. You either had an easy password or you got some kind of malware on your PC or w/e.


Ok :/

I guess I'll re-download it again

Make sure you download the right one, not that I know a different one. https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree this one it is.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 02 2016 23:17 GMT
#20754
While we're at it, doesn't the "you're logging from a different location giff unlock code we sent you via email thing", even if it's super inconvenient, protect you from this kind of stuff completely unless both your PoE and your email account got hijacked?

Just an idea if you're really paranoid, I'm keeping that thing around for that reason.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
March 02 2016 23:34 GMT
#20755
And than you need a code to get into your gaming email by logging into your personal email which requires a phone code.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 23:42:03
March 02 2016 23:40 GMT
#20756
On March 03 2016 08:17 r.Evo wrote:
While we're at it, doesn't the "you're logging from a different location giff unlock code we sent you via email thing", even if it's super inconvenient, protect you from this kind of stuff completely unless both your PoE and your email account got hijacked?

Just an idea if you're really paranoid, I'm keeping that thing around for that reason.


Yeah, it does. So I think my email got hijacked too.

I was actually playing PoE when my account got hacked into because it logged me out. I had to log into my email to get the code unlock thing to try to get back in and kick that user out. I went ahead and changed my password on the website. I was pretty dumb because I could have prevented a lot of damage being done had I changed the email to go with it. When I got on my account I had inventory full of currency on the character the hacker was on. I was then kicked out and could not log in anymore with the username.

I was logged into my email at the time and I didn't see traces of verification emails of changes being made on my account or his attempts of logging in with a different IP to get the code. So he must have deleted the emails right away. I never had my account hacked before so I didn't know the process it took when someone else logged into ur account.

I figured it was just my password that got compromised and it didn't dawn on me right away that my email could have been hijacked. By then it was too late, about 75+ pure exalts, voll's devotion, legacy lightning coils and cloak of defiances, 1200+ fusings, and even some eternal orbs

When I started to play PoE again about over a month ago, I was so surprised that exalts were worth so much and that shav's were so cheap. I actually bought a shav's in the talisman league and I was going to try to 6 link it when converted over to try out for ascendancy. RIP dream :/

On March 03 2016 08:34 pahndah wrote:
And than you need a code to get into your gaming email by logging into your personal email which requires a phone code.


That's a steam thing, right? I don't play PoE over steam but maybe I should.
you live and you learn
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
March 02 2016 23:53 GMT
#20757
Neah, just depends on how many different emails you have, and how they are linked.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 02 2016 23:55 GMT
#20758
So if anyone has ideas, trying to decide for incinerate if I want inquisitor or scion, and if scion is getting the assassin ascendancy for the crit worth the gem I save by doing so, or is a more useful ascendancy worth more than another gem.
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Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
March 03 2016 00:39 GMT
#20759
On March 03 2016 08:40 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 08:17 r.Evo wrote:
While we're at it, doesn't the "you're logging from a different location giff unlock code we sent you via email thing", even if it's super inconvenient, protect you from this kind of stuff completely unless both your PoE and your email account got hijacked?

Just an idea if you're really paranoid, I'm keeping that thing around for that reason.


Yeah, it does. So I think my email got hijacked too.

I was actually playing PoE when my account got hacked into because it logged me out. I had to log into my email to get the code unlock thing to try to get back in and kick that user out. I went ahead and changed my password on the website. I was pretty dumb because I could have prevented a lot of damage being done had I changed the email to go with it. When I got on my account I had inventory full of currency on the character the hacker was on. I was then kicked out and could not log in anymore with the username.

I was logged into my email at the time and I didn't see traces of verification emails of changes being made on my account or his attempts of logging in with a different IP to get the code. So he must have deleted the emails right away. I never had my account hacked before so I didn't know the process it took when someone else logged into ur account.

I figured it was just my password that got compromised and it didn't dawn on me right away that my email could have been hijacked. By then it was too late, about 75+ pure exalts, voll's devotion, legacy lightning coils and cloak of defiances, 1200+ fusings, and even some eternal orbs

When I started to play PoE again about over a month ago, I was so surprised that exalts were worth so much and that shav's were so cheap. I actually bought a shav's in the talisman league and I was going to try to 6 link it when converted over to try out for ascendancy. RIP dream :/

Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 08:34 pahndah wrote:
And than you need a code to get into your gaming email by logging into your personal email which requires a phone code.


That's a steam thing, right? I don't play PoE over steam but maybe I should.


Sad for your loss. On the bright side it is the perfect time to get hacked. New league starts in less than 48 hours! (o: Give it a go. If you really feel down about that lost currency in a week send me a pm in PoE (IGN Frankenberry or BigBauwsBow).
Faeny
Profile Joined January 2015
647 Posts
March 03 2016 00:54 GMT
#20760
May I have an invite to the guild? Although I'm not really a prolific poster on most of the liquid sites I do participate a bunch on the league site, and it'd be nice to jump into the new patch with a more active guild. One of my character names is Industrialized.

As for the new skills, I think sunder is going to become pretty popular. It has a similar mechanic to skills like kinetic blast and lightning arrow that I predict will make it a dominant skill for obliterating packs.

@illsick, have you contacted GGG support? I'm not hopeful that they'll give you your stuff back but at least it'd be good for them to know in case it happens to other people so that GGG can identify the activities of people who are breaking into accounts to take their stuff.
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