EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 443
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
edit: Also shocking choices in the England squad for the Euroes. I mean, Rooney, despite being banned for the first two games, is a must. The forward line....meeeeeh. I probably would have gone for Crouch over Carroll, but I guess he has had a bit of form recently and maybe Hodgson thinks he can get more out of him than Dalgleish did. Speaking of Liverpool players... Downing? Seriously, what the fuck. The guy doesn't have a single goal or assist this year. I'll repeat that: the left winger, who's job it is to beat the fullback and get the ball in the box, doesn't have a single assist or goal this whole year. He isn't that good at the best of times, and now you're taking him to the Euros on the back of the worst form of his career...? Can anyone actually come up with a reason for this, other than 'We need a left sided player'? For me, Adam Johnson, hands down, should be going in front of him. Despite a lack of playing time at City he's contributed a hell of a lot more over the season. Hell, I'd play Young here instead. And Glen Johnson at right back? Really? Another member of a vastly underachieving team this year, and has apparently never learned to defend. Decent going forward but cannot tackle or position himself to save his life. Richards should be here, 100%. Looking at the lineup I can see we're not going 4-3-3. I'll guess our normal, stodgy 4-4-2 will be the backup, and we'll play 4-5-1 with both Lamps and Gerrard in the middle with Parker just behind, because hey, that's always worked in the past. Poor selection albeit in a very short space of time without being able to work with his squad. I think we'll struggle to finish second behind France in the group and get knocked out in the first knockout regardless of who we play. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:34 Sanctimonius wrote: I'm still unsure about the M'Vila deal. I mean, we have Song, and we have up and comings in Frimpong and Coquelin. Sure, M'Vila, by all accounts, is a good player and a solid defmid, probably better at covering the defenders than Song is, who likes to get forward. But shouldn't we be concentrating on our back line than signing another midfielder? Coquelin is still far from being a finish product and frim is abysmal. Our back line is good with Kos and TV partnership. Song costs us alot because he kept moving forward and didn't track back. Arteta cover for song while he went forward, but when arteta got injured you saw how shit we are in the midfield. Now with a world class DM like m'vila will be very solid defensively in the midfield. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:34 Sanctimonius wrote: I'm still unsure about the M'Vila deal. I mean, we have Song, and we have up and comings in Frimpong and Coquelin. Sure, M'Vila, by all accounts, is a good player and a solid defmid, probably better at covering the defenders than Song is, who likes to get forward. But shouldn't we be concentrating on our back line than signing another midfielder? edit: Also shocking choices in the England squad for the Euroes. I mean, Rooney, despite being banned for the first two games, is a must. The forward line....meeeeeh. I probably would have gone for Crouch over Carroll, but I guess he has had a bit of form recently and maybe Hodgson thinks he can get more out of him than Dalgleish did. Speaking of Liverpool players... Downing? Seriously, what the fuck. The guy doesn't have a single goal or assist this year. I'll repeat that: the left winger, who's job it is to beat the fullback and get the ball in the box, doesn't have a single assist or goal this whole year. He isn't that good at the best of times, and now you're taking him to the Euros on the back of the worst form of his career...? Can anyone actually come up with a reason for this, other than 'We need a left sided player'? For me, Adam Johnson, hands down, should be going in front of him. Despite a lack of playing time at City he's contributed a hell of a lot more over the season. Hell, I'd play Young here instead. And Glen Johnson at right back? Really? Another member of a vastly underachieving team this year, and has apparently never learned to defend. Decent going forward but cannot tackle or position himself to save his life. Richards should be here, 100%. Looking at the lineup I can see we're not going 4-3-3. I'll guess our normal, stodgy 4-4-2 will be the backup, and we'll play 4-5-1 with both Lamps and Gerrard in the middle with Parker just behind, because hey, that's always worked in the past. Poor selection albeit in a very short space of time without being able to work with his squad. I think we'll struggle to finish second behind France in the group and get knocked out in the first knockout regardless of who we play. Yeah i totally agree, Don't understand why carrick isn't in the squad either, lampard and Gerrard don't work well together take one, and put carrick in the middle too, he was playing really well for untied and might offer something different. Sure hes not a world class goal scoring midfielder but hes got experience and hes on form, On a different note, as united fan can someone who watches bundesliga tell me what they think of Shinji Kagawa? apparently hes coming to united (pretty strong rumors, not just tabloid trash, its confirmed he flew to Britain to talk to fergie the other day ect.) he looks good on youtube videos, but so do a lot of players. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:39 Timurid wrote: Coquelin is still far from being a finish product and frim is abysmal. Our back line is good with Kos and TV partnership. Song costs us alot because he kept moving forward and didn't track back. Arteta cover for song while he went forward, but when arteta got injured you saw how shit we are in the midfield. Now with a world class DM like m'vila will be very solid defensively in the midfield. True, but when will Coq ever develop into a player if we have both Song and M'Vila ahead of him? Also wondering what our lineup will be in most games - we have a packed midfield, and say we get M'Vila: M'Vila Song? Walcott/Rosicky Arteta/Wilshere/Ramsey Gervinho/Oxcart? RvP You have to take one out to play Podolski and RvP at the same time. Add to that the over-abundance in Centre Mid meaning you have three good first team players who can't play at the same time - I guess we have cover for the Arsenal bug that tends to strike at Christmas. It just seems like a defmid is not a necessary signing considering the backup we have. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:47 UdderChaos wrote: Yeah i totally agree, Don't understand why carrick isn't in the squad either, lampard and Gerrard don't work well together take one, and put carrick in the middle too, he was playing really well for untied and might offer something different. Sure hes not a world class goal scoring midfielder but hes got experience and hes on form, Yeah that's why I disagree with Gerrard as captain so much. He represents everything that's been wrong with England in the past; just running in straight lines and trying to force something against opposition that's far too clever. (and he's a twat). Carrick is an absolute MUST; he has the highest passes completed per game of any English player in the prem this year but as usual we completely ignore good passers. There's still enough quality in the team to do well in the Euros we'll just have to see. Hopefully Roy finds a setup that works. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:49 Sanctimonius wrote: True, but when will Coq ever develop into a player if we have both Song and M'Vila ahead of him? Also wondering what our lineup will be in most games - we have a packed midfield, and say we get M'Vila: M'Vila Song? Walcott/Rosicky Arteta/Wilshere/Ramsey Gervinho/Oxcart? RvP You have to take one out to play Podolski and RvP at the same time. Add to that the over-abundance in Centre Mid meaning you have three good first team players who can't play at the same time - I guess we have cover for the Arsenal bug that tends to strike at Christmas. It just seems like a defmid is not a necessary signing considering the backup we have. Well, Wilshere hasn't played in like forever and will prolly take some time to reach his old level of play if he'll ever. Ramsey hasn't been great this season - I think his broken leg still hunts him kinda - so I'd hope he'll go somewhere on loan for a season to see if he can get back on form. Gervinho was pretty unimpressive too this season :/ Fast paced and decent dribbler but can't hit the fucking goal at all. So I think another midfield player wouldn't hurt us. Sad that it seems we couldn't get Vertonghen. Decent defender with great versatility something we'll prolly need as we'll get tons of injuries like every season :< | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On May 17 2012 02:09 Stimp wrote: That's why I don't always like the club legend manager. Took far too long to fire kenny because you can't just axe a club legend. Frank de Boer does really well at Ajax winning 2 leagues in 1.5 years and a trainer shouldn't decide which players to buy in his own anyway. | ||
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:47 UdderChaos wrote: Yeah i totally agree, Don't understand why carrick isn't in the squad either, lampard and Gerrard don't work well together take one, and put carrick in the middle too, he was playing really well for untied and might offer something different. Sure hes not a world class goal scoring midfielder but hes got experience and hes on form, On a different note, as united fan can someone who watches bundesliga tell me what they think of Shinji Kagawa? apparently hes coming to united (pretty strong rumors, not just tabloid trash, its confirmed he flew to Britain to talk to fergie the other day ect.) he looks good on youtube videos, but so do a lot of players. He is brilliant in Dortmund but im not sure how he will perform in Manchester. His strength is that he is lightning quick in his head which fits perfect to Dortmunds very fast way to play. His strength show if he has a team that runs a lot, changes pace rapidly etc. Physically he is rather weak and allthough he has great control he would be easy to neutralize on his own. I'm pretty sure he won't fail hard, he has very nimble feet a great touch and his passes can be spectacular, but im not sure whether he can really shine in Manchester, really depends on their system. I think it is really a petty that he is leaving Dortmund as it basically the perfect place for him. He needs space and in Dortmund 10 men constantly run to create it. This is a random youtube skill video, but the second half of it demonstrates exactly that. I dont think in the last 4 minutes there is one scene where not half oh his team is sprinting somewhere. He is great on the counter or with his teammates opening spaces but whether he will fit united, judge yourself. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:49 Sanctimonius wrote: True, but when will Coq ever develop into a player if we have both Song and M'Vila ahead of him? Also wondering what our lineup will be in most games - we have a packed midfield, and say we get M'Vila: M'Vila Song? Walcott/Rosicky Arteta/Wilshere/Ramsey Gervinho/Oxcart? RvP You have to take one out to play Podolski and RvP at the same time. Add to that the over-abundance in Centre Mid meaning you have three good first team players who can't play at the same time - I guess we have cover for the Arsenal bug that tends to strike at Christmas. It just seems like a defmid is not a necessary signing considering the backup we have. Podolski is going to be an inside forward on the wings like he plays with germany. We can play Song mvila in the mid. Then for the AMC spot we can play all the players you suggested and who ever is in better form. | ||
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Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
On May 17 2012 04:34 Sanctimonius wrote: edit: Also shocking choices in the England squad for the Euroes. I mean, Rooney, despite being banned for the first two games, is a must. The forward line....meeeeeh. I probably would have gone for Crouch over Carroll, but I guess he has had a bit of form recently and maybe Hodgson thinks he can get more out of him than Dalglish did. Speaking of Liverpool players... Downing? Seriously, what the fuck. The guy doesn't have a single goal or assist this year. I'll repeat that: the left winger, who's job it is to beat the fullback and get the ball in the box, doesn't have a single assist or goal this whole year. He isn't that good at the best of times, and now you're taking him to the Euros on the back of the worst form of his career...? Can anyone actually come up with a reason for this, other than 'We need a left sided player'? For me, Adam Johnson, hands down, should be going in front of him. Despite a lack of playing time at City he's contributed a hell of a lot more over the season. Hell, I'd play Young here instead. And Glen Johnson at right back? Really? Another member of a vastly underachieving team this year, and has apparently never learned to defend. Decent going forward but cannot tackle or position himself to save his life. Richards should be here, 100%. Looking at the lineup I can see we're not going 4-3-3. I'll guess our normal, stodgy 4-4-2 will be the backup, and we'll play 4-5-1 with both Lamps and Gerrard in the middle with Parker just behind, because hey, that's always worked in the past. Poor selection albeit in a very short space of time without being able to work with his squad. I think we'll struggle to finish second behind France in the group and get knocked out in the first knockout regardless of who we play. Caroll has been an absolute beast the latest two months and I for one would take him over Crouch any day of the week. Downing... Yeah, he had a bad season. He did score in the FA Cup though so he's not completely goal-less ^^ Glen Johnson had a hard season with lot's of small injuries and such but he's not as bad as you say man  He probably isn't the first choice anyway, but he could be a great player to throw in when behind a goal. Though I guess you don't really make a substitution for the full back in that situation, but anyway, I think he deserves a spot in the squad.Hoping for England to finish 2nd behind Sweden ^^ I actually think we have a decent chance to make it out of the group! | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On May 17 2012 05:38 Presidenten wrote: Caroll has been an absolute beast the latest two months and I for one would take him over Crouch any day of the week. Downing... Yeah, he had a bad season. He did score in the FA Cup though so he's not completely goal-less ^^ Glen Johnson had a hard season with lot's of small injuries and such but he's not as bad as you say man He probably isn't the first choice anyway, but he could be a great player to throw in when behind a goal. Though I guess you don't really make a substitution for the full back in that situation, but anyway, I think he deserves a spot in the squad.Hoping for England to finish 2nd behind Sweden ^^ I actually think we have a decent chance to make it out of the group! LOL you guys underestimate france too much. It's hilarious. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
 Alright, I'll amend it: Downing has no league goals or assists And Johnson...I dunno. I prefer a fullback to be relied upon to defend, and if he is suspect someone else has to cover him all the time - Milner? And if you do that the team loses some attacking flair - I'd prefer Lennon or Walcott to be attacking than Johnson. Add to that we are not one of the top teams at the tournament, so we'll have games where we need to be solid in defence. I don't think Johnson has ever been that, and I would prefer the beast that is Richards there. He's not the best dribbler but he'll keep running the whole 90 mins and cover that side of the pitch. Put it this way, against the Netherlands, France, Spain, Germany, who would you prefer to have there? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
 , the exact same way we did in the friendly - be hilariously lucky with their misses and then bundle the ball into the net a la Stoke. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
But yeah, Greece was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. I think we'll either over-achieve and lose out in the quarters or fail miserably and go out in the groups. *Scott of the Antarctic is a prime example of this. Seriously, we glorify the guy, but keep in mind he not only failed to reach the South Pole first, he failed to return... | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On May 17 2012 05:21 sc4k wrote: Wow apparently Chelsea are considering offering Torres + 15 mil for Falcao...and Atletico will refuse the offer! I guess they already had 6 years of use of him so they probably can't be bothered to bring him back. To be honest, I would take Falcao over Torres in a heart beat, even though Torres is a great player, a world class player, Falcao is designed for Chelsea. He is like a Colombian Drogba. Those are just rumors though. There is another rumor that Hulk has a deal already with Chelsea that is in its final stages. We can never confirm whether offers like that actually happen as the media likes to blow things up. The Marin signing came out of nowhere while the media continued to talk about Chelsea' usual targets. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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mememolly
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