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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 23 2011 09:26 GMT
#841
On August 23 2011 06:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I remember laughing really hard when he tried to play it off like nothing happened lol.

Well it worked a treat though didn't it.
Most ridiculous moment ever.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
August 23 2011 10:37 GMT
#842
On August 22 2011 09:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I said financial doping, not good finances. united, liverpool, arsenal, real madrid and barcelona all make shitloads of money, and could afford to pay more for players and give higher salaries than the second tier clubs from the income they themselves generate through selling tickets and apparell. I guess chelsea also makes significant amounts now, but they only got where they are through several huge injections of money. I also guess huge debts (which applies to most good clubs) can also be considered financial doping, but what you see in manchester city is wholly different from what you see in manchester united.. I have no problems with a club like manchester united building a team over a 25 year long period and increasing their income and thus their possible expenditures through great management - having some teams that are consistently good isn't necessarily a bad thing. the problem arises when a team becomes good because a billionaire wants to play real life football manager, because 1: once/if said billionaire stops injecting money, the club isn't self-sustainable, and 2: that much money being artificially pumped into some teams, means that other second-tier teams that want to become first-tier teams have no way of accomplishing it without teaming up with billionaires of their own.


Madrid also got a huge inject of money via "mafia" Florentino-Madrid government, selling some grounds for a much higher price than they are worth to try and solve their huge debt. Some years later after that they still owe the biggest debt in Spanish football and one of the biggest in Europe.
Revolutionist fan
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 11:25:30
August 23 2011 11:11 GMT
#843
On August 23 2011 19:37 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I said financial doping, not good finances. united, liverpool, arsenal, real madrid and barcelona all make shitloads of money, and could afford to pay more for players and give higher salaries than the second tier clubs from the income they themselves generate through selling tickets and apparell. I guess chelsea also makes significant amounts now, but they only got where they are through several huge injections of money. I also guess huge debts (which applies to most good clubs) can also be considered financial doping, but what you see in manchester city is wholly different from what you see in manchester united.. I have no problems with a club like manchester united building a team over a 25 year long period and increasing their income and thus their possible expenditures through great management - having some teams that are consistently good isn't necessarily a bad thing. the problem arises when a team becomes good because a billionaire wants to play real life football manager, because 1: once/if said billionaire stops injecting money, the club isn't self-sustainable, and 2: that much money being artificially pumped into some teams, means that other second-tier teams that want to become first-tier teams have no way of accomplishing it without teaming up with billionaires of their own.


Madrid also got a huge inject of money via "mafia" Florentino-Madrid government, selling some grounds for a much higher price than they are worth to try and solve their huge debt. Some years later after that they still owe the biggest debt in Spanish football and one of the biggest in Europe.


Ridiculous and uninformed comment from a Barça fan. While RM used the housing bubble to make a huge profit out of their training grounds, FC Barcelona was proudly announcing how they never will do so to protect their tradition and value, only to sell them 6 years later by a ridiculous amount of money.

For your interest, some figures on debt, income, and such in big teams:

Forbes most valuable clubs list 2011:

Rank | Name | VALUE | %year change | INCOME | INCOME without TV
1 Manchester United 1,864 1% 428 370
2 Real Madrid 1,451 10% 537 397
3 Arsenal 1,192 1% 336 284
4 Bayern Munich 1,048 6% 396 368
5 Barcelona 975 -2% 488 348

Source

NOTE: RM and Barça INCOME is inflated by the TV Rights (140 million each), while teams as ManU only get around 58m€ or Bayern that only gets 28m€.

2010 Debt rank

Ranking Club Debt
1. Manchester United £716m
2. Chelsea (Limited) £701m
3. Valencia C.F £501m
4. Liverpool £351m
5. Real Madrid £296m
6. FC Barcelona £273m

Source

EPL debt and other figures Full list

PS: I'm looking for some figures on profit / salaries I saw the other day, I'll try to post them later.

I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 11:27:10
August 23 2011 11:23 GMT
#844
Official stuff and numbers can tell all you want, but everyone with half a brain knows there's more than that in real life. Hence the "mafia" reference. This shouldn't be surprise to anybody knowing other cases like in Italy or the Di Stéfano signing case, just to call a few.

The fact that madrid government helped hella lot to the club by overpaying for some training grounds still remains. Like around 250mil for some grounds that were not even worth 100 (numbers might be even worse, I'm going safe mode because it's all from memory). Also, Florentino used his own money because he loves the club and it really needed the funds. Catalunya government didn't overpay Barcelona for his grounds (as the spanish people say, we don't give our money easily) and that's why they still have a debt.
Revolutionist fan
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
August 23 2011 11:28 GMT
#845
Well, you call it mafia, I call it selling when the most profit is going to be made. If you sell in the middle of a financial crisis, of course you still have your debt. Everybody with half a brain understands that. Anything else are fairy tales.
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
August 23 2011 13:41 GMT
#846
$amir Na$ri officially gone to city.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/terms-agreed-with-man-city-for-nasri
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
August 23 2011 15:43 GMT
#847
On August 23 2011 22:41 Vin{MBL} wrote:
$amir Na$ri officially gone to city.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/terms-agreed-with-man-city-for-nasri


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TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
August 23 2011 15:53 GMT
#848
i feel bad for an arsenal supporter, how can they get 2 top of the line players with only 1 week before the market closes, some rumours flying around about Schwensteiger to Arsenal, hope they are true
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51593 Posts
August 23 2011 15:56 GMT
#849
i think hazard makes more sense
Commentator
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4082 Posts
August 23 2011 17:12 GMT
#850
so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...
Drone is a way of living
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
August 23 2011 17:36 GMT
#851
On August 24 2011 02:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...


He's won like everything in spain and italy so taking a fat sum of money to see out his career isn't a bad move for himself
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 23 2011 17:38 GMT
#852
He will be the highest paid player in the world, he also has already won every club trophy and is 30 so understandable imo. Nasri deal expected, Hazard seems to be staying. Zarate and M'Vila more likely. If that article tells the truth, then it's unfortunate Wenger remains a "company man" and thus takes the blame for all of Arsenal's transfer faillings. Though whoever leaked all the info must've wanted the public to get on Wenger's side and pressure the board. It's nice to see Wenger knows what's needed to improve the squad and will even refuse to buy lesser players like Dann/Jagielka even though they fit into Arsenal's wage structure. There really aren't that many bargains anymore, it now seems a miracle Wenger was able to buy anyone at all let alone Gervinho.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
August 23 2011 18:10 GMT
#853
Thoughts on Mata making an impact in Chelsea? I hope he can bring that creativity and flair that's missing from Chelsea's midfield. And if he does, hopefully that can rub off onto Torres because he certainly needs someone who can feed him well.
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 18:35:21
August 23 2011 18:34 GMT
#854
On August 24 2011 03:10 malcram wrote:
Thoughts on Mata making an impact in Chelsea? I hope he can bring that creativity and flair that's missing from Chelsea's midfield. And if he does, hopefully that can rub off onto Torres because he certainly needs someone who can feed him well.

chelsea needs a winger and a playmayker, i heard mata can take both these roles, hope he makes an impact and chelsea will be stronger. mu looks scary...
Retric
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany284 Posts
August 23 2011 18:37 GMT
#855
On August 24 2011 02:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...


for 20 million euro after taxes per year...who wouldn't if you won everything (world cup with cameroon less likely)
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
August 23 2011 19:08 GMT
#856
Eto'o gives like half his money to Cameroon every year, so I'm happy he gets that absurd high sum.
Revolutionist fan
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
August 23 2011 19:17 GMT
#857
anyone know what's happened to myp2p?
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
August 23 2011 19:25 GMT
#858
On August 24 2011 04:17 Pads wrote:
anyone know what's happened to myp2p?

They are going to a new domain, wiziwig.eu
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
August 23 2011 19:29 GMT
#859
Thanks bro, had a heart attack there :D
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
Telebear
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom107 Posts
August 24 2011 00:09 GMT
#860
On August 24 2011 03:37 Retric wrote:
f you won everything (world cup with cameroon less likely)


yeah but who gives a fuck about international football
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