On August 22 2011 09:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I said financial doping, not good finances. united, liverpool, arsenal, real madrid and barcelona all make shitloads of money, and could afford to pay more for players and give higher salaries than the second tier clubs from the income they themselves generate through selling tickets and apparell. I guess chelsea also makes significant amounts now, but they only got where they are through several huge injections of money. I also guess huge debts (which applies to most good clubs) can also be considered financial doping, but what you see in manchester city is wholly different from what you see in manchester united.. I have no problems with a club like manchester united building a team over a 25 year long period and increasing their income and thus their possible expenditures through great management - having some teams that are consistently good isn't necessarily a bad thing. the problem arises when a team becomes good because a billionaire wants to play real life football manager, because 1: once/if said billionaire stops injecting money, the club isn't self-sustainable, and 2: that much money being artificially pumped into some teams, means that other second-tier teams that want to become first-tier teams have no way of accomplishing it without teaming up with billionaires of their own.

Madrid also got a huge inject of money via "mafia" Florentino-Madrid government, selling some grounds for a much higher price than they are worth to try and solve their huge debt. Some years later after that they still owe the biggest debt in Spanish football and one of the biggest in Europe.

Telemako

Spain1636 Posts

August 23 2011 11:11 GMT

#843

On August 23 2011 19:37 Salteador Neo wrote:

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Ridiculous and uninformed comment from a Barça fan. While RM used the housing bubble to make a huge profit out of their training grounds, FC Barcelona was proudly announcing how they never will do so to protect their tradition and value, only to sell them 6 years later by a ridiculous amount of money.

For your interest, some figures on debt, income, and such in big teams:

Forbes most valuable clubs list 2011:

Rank | Name | VALUE | %year change | INCOME | INCOME without TV
1 Manchester United 1,864 1% 428 370
2 Real Madrid 1,451 10% 537 397
3 Arsenal 1,192 1% 336 284
4 Bayern Munich 1,048 6% 396 368
5 Barcelona 975 -2% 488 348

Source

NOTE: RM and Barça INCOME is inflated by the TV Rights (140 million each), while teams as ManU only get around 58m€ or Bayern that only gets 28m€.

2010 Debt rank

Ranking Club Debt
1. Manchester United £716m
2. Chelsea (Limited) £701m
3. Valencia C.F £501m
4. Liverpool £351m
5. Real Madrid £296m
6. FC Barcelona £273m

Source

EPL debt and other figures Full list

PS: I'm looking for some figures on profit / salaries I saw the other day, I'll try to post them later.

Salteador Neo

Andorra5591 Posts

August 23 2011 11:23 GMT

#844

Official stuff and numbers can tell all you want, but everyone with half a brain knows there's more than that in real life. Hence the "mafia" reference. This shouldn't be surprise to anybody knowing other cases like in Italy or the Di Stéfano signing case, just to call a few.

The fact that madrid government helped hella lot to the club by overpaying for some training grounds still remains. Like around 250mil for some grounds that were not even worth 100 (numbers might be even worse, I'm going safe mode because it's all from memory). Also, Florentino used his own money because he loves the club and it really needed the funds. Catalunya government didn't overpay Barcelona for his grounds (as the spanish people say, we don't give our money easily) and that's why they still have a debt.

Telemako

Spain1636 Posts

August 23 2011 11:28 GMT

#845

Well, you call it mafia, I call it selling when the most profit is going to be made. If you sell in the middle of a financial crisis, of course you still have your debt. Everybody with half a brain understands that. Anything else are fairy tales.

Vin{MBL}

5185 Posts

August 23 2011 13:41 GMT

#846

$amir Na$ri officially gone to city.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/terms-agreed-with-man-city-for-nasri

BeaTeR

Kazakhstan4130 Posts

August 23 2011 15:43 GMT

#847

On August 23 2011 22:41 Vin{MBL} wrote:
$amir Na$ri officially gone to city.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/terms-agreed-with-man-city-for-nasri

TArujo

Portugal1687 Posts

August 23 2011 15:53 GMT

#848

i feel bad for an arsenal supporter, how can they get 2 top of the line players with only 1 week before the market closes, some rumours flying around about Schwensteiger to Arsenal, hope they are true

GTR

51395 Posts

August 23 2011 15:56 GMT

#849

i think hazard makes more sense

fLyiNgDroNe

Belgium3996 Posts

August 23 2011 17:12 GMT

#850

so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...

Stimp

South Africa780 Posts

August 23 2011 17:36 GMT

#851

On August 24 2011 02:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...

He's won like everything in spain and italy so taking a fat sum of money to see out his career isn't a bad move for himself

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

August 23 2011 17:38 GMT

#852

He will be the highest paid player in the world, he also has already won every club trophy and is 30 so understandable imo. Nasri deal expected, Hazard seems to be staying. Zarate and M'Vila more likely. If that article tells the truth, then it's unfortunate Wenger remains a "company man" and thus takes the blame for all of Arsenal's transfer faillings. Though whoever leaked all the info must've wanted the public to get on Wenger's side and pressure the board. It's nice to see Wenger knows what's needed to improve the squad and will even refuse to buy lesser players like Dann/Jagielka even though they fit into Arsenal's wage structure. There really aren't that many bargains anymore, it now seems a miracle Wenger was able to buy anyone at all let alone Gervinho.

malcram

2752 Posts

August 23 2011 18:10 GMT

#853

Thoughts on Mata making an impact in Chelsea? I hope he can bring that creativity and flair that's missing from Chelsea's midfield. And if he does, hopefully that can rub off onto Torres because he certainly needs someone who can feed him well.

BeaTeR

Kazakhstan4130 Posts

August 23 2011 18:34 GMT

#854

On August 24 2011 03:10 malcram wrote:
Thoughts on Mata making an impact in Chelsea? I hope he can bring that creativity and flair that's missing from Chelsea's midfield. And if he does, hopefully that can rub off onto Torres because he certainly needs someone who can feed him well.

chelsea needs a winger and a playmayker, i heard mata can take both these roles, hope he makes an impact and chelsea will be stronger. mu looks scary...

Retric

Germany284 Posts

August 23 2011 18:37 GMT

#855

On August 24 2011 02:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
so Et'O made it to Anzhi. Nice career move ...

for 20 million euro after taxes per year...who wouldn't if you won everything (world cup with cameroon less likely)

Salteador Neo

Andorra5591 Posts

August 23 2011 19:08 GMT

#856

Eto'o gives like half his money to Cameroon every year, so I'm happy he gets that absurd high sum.