EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 114
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On November 28 2011 08:45 FireBlast! wrote: Gary Speed RIP - he seemed like a pretty perfect human being, shows how little anyone can ever know about someone :c My condolences to his family. Truly a sad day. | ||
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On November 28 2011 22:25 BarbieHsu wrote: Hit me harder than MJ's death. What are the theories behind his suicide? too many, hoepfully it was just depression that took him to a dark place. Suppose we will find out in the coming weeks. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: so real madrid has almost won primera division. just gotta draw one classico game. hmm interesting. not really sure how you reason this. im guessing you assume theyll win every game against every other team ? fat chance imo. On November 27 2011 22:47 Copymizer wrote: just shows how boring la liga is. A 2 team race with a winner confirmed 6 months before the season ends. They should make a league for RM and Barca only. :s la liga top 5: r madrid 11-1-1 34 points barca 8-4-1 28 points valencia 8-3-2 27 points levante 8-2-3 26 points malaga 7-2-4 23 points epl top 5: man city 11-2-0 35 points man utd 9-3-1 30 points tottenham 9-1-2 28 points newcastle 7-5-1 26 points chelea 8-1-4 25 points nothing is even close to confirmed. (edit) though i could see why people feel this since the classicos have yet to be played so we'll see i guess. both seem decently balanced to me | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
but no, I don't actually think that they have won and that they're certain to win the rest of their non-barcelona matches, but I'd argue they're between 80% and 97% likely to win each individual non-barcelona match.  as for the latter part, barcelona has had a slight dip so far this season, and that makes it seem like 3-4-5 is closer to #2 than they in reality are. while people can argue as much as they want with regard to degree of two-team-dominance found in la liga and premier league, nobody in their right mind would argue that #3 in la liga is as close to #2 in la liga as what is the case for the premier league. like, I'm gonna take the time to comment some more on this idea. la liga has a bigger gap from #2 to #3 than the premier league does. I'm not saying that la liga is a boring league for this reason. there are many possible reasons to appreciate football - for many, la liga simply represents and aesthetically more pleasing form of football. further, most non-spanish who follow la liga, are fans of either RM or barcelona, in which case the league will consistently be exciting. you can also, statistically show that in the past decade or 14 years or whatever, you've had the same diversity in trophy winners in both leagues, which would indicate that this difference of gap is exaggerated. (and from many voices, it definitely is!) but in the past two seasons, not counting this one so far, there's just been a monumental difference between real madrid and the #3 team in la liga - in premier league, you've had arsenal appearing to be title contenders together with chelsea and united, at least at an illusory level. going a couple years further back, liverpool has also been in the fray. last season real madrid ended up 21 points ahead of valencia 2009/2010, they were 25 points ahead of valencia. in this season, their record vs non-barcelona was 31-3-2 - that is incredible! to my knowledge, no team in any top league has ever had an equally good run without actually winning the league. last season of pl, united ended up 9 points ahead of chelsea, whom were even (at 71 points, the same as valencia) with city. and then arsenal was 3 points behind those two. 2009/2010, united was 1 point behind chelsea and 10 ahead of arsenal. so I mean yes, in every season since 2003/2004, two teams have been winning pl and two teams have been winning la liga, but especially in the last couple seasons, the top two la liga teams have accumulated far more points than the top two PL teams. and this season, the strongest PL team is a relatively new contender for the title, whereas nobody actually thinks someone else than barcelona or rm is going to win la liga.. and I'm not saying that this makes premier league a better league than la liga is, (although I certainly prefer it myself), but you should rather explain your preference for la liga through other measures, like "the teams play more attractive football" or "I'm spanish", rather than stating that both leagues are equally top-heavy, when that is not the case. likewise, I'm not going to claim that the top english teams have equal passing ability to that of barcelona. you can also argue that barcelona would have dominated PL to an almost equal or equal degree that they have dominated la liga - it's impossible to prove that either way and it's absolutely probable that they would have won PL with a convincing margin in both 2009/2010 and 2010/2011. but the leagues do not have an equal amount of top two or even top 1 contenders. | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
On November 28 2011 08:45 FireBlast! wrote: Gary Speed RIP - he seemed like a pretty perfect human being, shows how little anyone can ever know about someone RIP. Always a Legend! <3 | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
Bundesliga is so much fun!  | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
Bundesliga actually has the highest avg attendance (only NFL is bigger) which suprised me, still I guess EPL and La Liga is being watched more on TV etc so theyre bigger (and better). I guess thought that Bundesliga is more exciting since more teams have a chance of winning. The people that know, how would you characterize the football played in Bundesliga? | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On November 29 2011 18:01 bRuTaL!! wrote: Ever since Teemu Pukki transfered to Schalke, Ive been following Bundesliga and football in general. Bundesliga actually has the highest avg attendance (only NFL is bigger) which suprised me, still I guess EPL and La Liga is being watched more on TV etc so theyre bigger (and better). I guess thought that Bundesliga is more exciting since more teams have a chance of winning. The people that know, how would you characterize the football played in Bundesliga? I don't know if you can characterize the football played as a whole, because different teams play different styles. I do love Premier League and it's quite clear that Barca and Real are the two strongest teams on the planet right now, but the Bundesliga as a whole is more interesting in my opinion, because the gap between the teams isn't that big as in other leagues. I believe there are two main reasons for that. Firstly the TV money gets distributed far more evenly between the teams, because the league itself makes the TV contracts and the money is given to the clubs based on success. As far as I know in Spain/Italy every team can make their own deal resulting in big teams making so much more money out of this deals compared to the small ones. Secondly we have a 50+1 rule in the Bundesliga, which means the club itself must always have 50%+1 of their shares, which leaves them in charge. This circumvents big spending investors like the ones at ManCity/Chelsea/Malaga/Paris, which in my opinion is really a good thing. Oh just as I'm writing this, another thing came to my mind. The Bundesliga is far more strict as far as financial things are concerned. A lot of the clubs in La League / PL / Italy are in big big depts. If they had the same depth here, the wouldn't even get a license. So the clubs are forced to not mismanage. | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
Germany - Physique Spain - Combination play Italy - Physique, more defensive than germany Netherlands - individual technique | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
Germany - Populism Spain - Art Italy - Cheating Netherlands - Factory | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
On November 29 2011 19:14 FireBlast! wrote: England - War Germany - Populism Spain - Art Italy - Cheating Netherlands - Factory You win. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
Summer 2011: Hannover 96 finished 4th in the Bundesliga and: Hannover 96 knocked out FC Sevilla with relative ease during the Europa League qualifiers this season Summer 2011: Borussia Mönchengladbach finished 16th and were only able to stay in the first league due to a close victory over Bochum (3rd 2. Bundesliga) in two relegation matches. Now: Borussia Mönchengladbach is now 2nd in the Bundesliga, same points as Borussia Dortmund (1st), Bayern (3rd) 1 point behind. Noteworthy Note: Both Clubs didn't spend any money more than usually to achieve that. Every season there are one or more surprises, really entertaining, but frustrating for Bayern fans like me. I personally (Bayern supporter as mentioned above) am 99% sure that Dortmund will win the Bundesliga this season again. Dortmund will embarrassingly finish last in their Champions League group and will be able to focus completely on the Bundesliga, since Bayern will win the Champions League ( Final will be: Bayern Munich - Real Madrid ) this season in their home stadium ( I am totally serious ), they won't be able to perform well enough to win the Bundesliga over Dortmund. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On November 29 2011 22:55 Retric wrote: Summer 2010: Hannover 96 almost relegated to the second league. Summer 2011: Hannover 96 finished 4th in the Bundesliga and: Hannover 96 knocked out FC Sevilla with relative ease during the Europa League qualifiers this season Summer 2011: Borussia Mönchengladbach finished 16th and were only able to stay in the first league due to a close victory over Bochum (3rd 2. Bundesliga) in two relegation matches. Now: Borussia Mönchengladbach is now 2nd in the Bundesliga, same points as Borussia Dortmund (1st), Bayern (3rd) 1 point behind. Noteworthy Note: Both Clubs didn't spend any money more than usually to achieve that. Every season there are one or more surprises, really entertaining, but frustrating for Bayern fans like me. I personally (Bayern supporter as mentioned above) am 99% sure that Dortmund will win the Bundesliga this season again. Dortmund will embarrassingly finish last in their Champions League group and will be able to focus completely on the Bundesliga, since Bayern will win the Champions League ( Final will be: Bayern Munich - Real Madrid ) this season in their home stadium ( I am totally serious ), they won't be able to perform well enough to win the Bundesliga over Dortmund. Dream on, dude. Bayern will not get further than round of 8 in champions league, too dependent on single individuals, a mediocre coach that can only govern a team, but not improve it tactically, and no power from the thin bench. They will win Bundesliga again though. There are too many teams doing well at the same time currently, they will all steal each other points, as always, and lucky Bayern takes the title... Bayern only drops titles when a single team performs a level above the rest and cannot get harmed by the rest of the league, like last year Dortmund. On a sidenote, there are no Bayern supporters, only Bayern spectators. Every single away team's supporters are louder in the stadium than the home "fans". GLUBB! | ||
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
On November 29 2011 23:03 kazansky wrote: Dream on, dude. Bayern will not get further than round of 8 in champions league, too dependent on single individuals, a mediocre coach that can only govern a team, but not improve it tactically, and no power from the thin bench. They will win Bundesliga again though. There are too many teams doing well at the same time currently, they will all steal each other points, as always, and lucky Bayern takes the title... Bayern only drops titles when a single team performs a level above the rest and cannot get harmed by the rest of the league, like last year Dortmund. On a sidenote, there are no Bayern supporters, only Bayern spectators. Every single away team's supporters are louder in the stadium than the home "fans". GLUBB!How is Jupp Heynckes a mediocre coach? He won everything both as a player and as a coach. What top 5 european team is not dependent on single individuals? | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
There is a difference between teams having top inviduals that can make a difference and teams falling apart due to the absence of these. Real is still dangerous without Ronaldo, Barcelona still dangerous without Messi, United without Rooney. Bayern though is struggling bigtime with the injury of Schweinsteiger, despite having plenty of natural defensive midfielders in their roster. Proper substitutes for the wingers are nonexistent, aswell as for the fullbacks. There is no potential for any plan B against a defensively decent side, the roster itself is one-dimensional. The bench is, as said, very thin. Coming even close to winning the champions league is about more than fielding "Robbery" | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:47 kazansky wrote: Coming even close to winning the champions league is about more than fielding "Robbery" As your post implied, Schweinsteiger is much more important than Robben or Ribery for Bayern. I don't see their roster as bad as you described, the only player without a proper substitute is Schweinsteiger, and that is because he is pretty much heart and brain of Bayern. The substitutes may not be 100% on the same level, and if more than just 1 or 2 if the really important players are injured it get's complicated, but every team has that problem. About the mini crisis in the last games: I'm pretty sure it's just a mental thing, not more. | ||
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