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Retric
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:24:33
November 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#2281
On November 30 2011 02:47 kazansky wrote:
He is, tactically he is 10 years behind, and he cannot develop a team, only take a functioning team and keep the level (which is a hard thing to master in football, don't get me wrong).

There is a difference between teams having top inviduals that can make a difference and teams falling apart due to the absence of these.
Real is still dangerous without Ronaldo, Barcelona still dangerous without Messi, United without Rooney. Bayern though is struggling bigtime with the injury of Schweinsteiger, despite having plenty of natural defensive midfielders in their roster. Proper substitutes for the wingers are nonexistent, aswell as for the fullbacks. There is no potential for any plan B against a defensively decent side, the roster itself is one-dimensional. The bench is, as said, very thin.
Coming even close to winning the champions league is about more than fielding "Robbery"



Season 08/09 Leverkusen finished 9th. Jupp Heynckes took over Bayer Leverkusen in 2009/10. He implemented younger players ( Eren Derdiyok / Toni Kroos / Lars Bender ) as well as older ones ( Sami Hyppiä ) into his team and formed a succesful team, which finished 4th and 2nd the 2 following years in the Bundesliga.

You should also note that Bayern does not have the financial possibilities like Real and Barca due to the known TV- rights- money- distribution and unethical money handling of certain clubs. It is very difficult to have a bench that is equally strong compared to the starters if you have the goal to make profit every season, which Bayern achieved the last 17 years.

edit: hmm not sure which game to watch now: chelsea - liverpool or arsenal - mancity
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
November 29 2011 20:40 GMT
#2282
Haha, watching frimpong vs nasri too good xD
End my suffering
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 29 2011 20:57 GMT
#2283
Leverkusen has been beyond the top teams in Bundesliga for 10 years now. The team was put together in that form before he arrived. Heynckes made them perform what they are capable of, nothing more, nothing less.
I did not say anything different. He can stabilize a team, but thats it. He won his last title is over 10 years ago, Schalke and Gladbach both were rather dissapointing performances. Tactically, at least 5 coaches in current Bundesliga are better than him. Which I don't blame on him, not many coaches at his age understand modern day football really well.

As you pointed out correctly, Bayern are financially solid, so they cannot compete with the quality of the rosters of top english and spanish teams, because they spare the investment. Which is fine, and wise in my eyes. But therefore, they are not at the same level when it comes to crunch time, and will not take the title by a margin

But then again that is the problem with you Bayern followers: uneven financial distribution in Bundesliga is fine, because then Bayern can win the title on a regular basis without contenders. Uneven financial distribution on european level however is a welcome excuse for not being able to compete with the top teams.

Pay the price and compete, or don't and accept you cannot, it's that easy in my eyes.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
November 29 2011 21:49 GMT
#2284
what a great goal by city TT
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 29 2011 21:55 GMT
#2285
Napoli vs Juve, what an entertaining game, was worth watching too
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 22:09:27
November 29 2011 22:03 GMT
#2286
too bad cavani couldnt play x(
juventus never gave up

ace hwaiting!!
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
November 29 2011 22:54 GMT
#2287
Cavani . Anyways, great game. Both sides played great. Dick move by Juni management throwing in Del Piero last 3minutes of the game. Douches..
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
December 01 2011 21:48 GMT
#2288
Good week for german clubs in Europe, both Schalke and Hannover through to next round, Hannover even after losing their match. Huge bummer the Tottenham performance though.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 08:20:01
December 02 2011 03:57 GMT
#2289
EURO 2012 Draw today!!!!!
19:00 EET

Please let there be Spain/Germany/Portugal/France group
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For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
December 02 2011 09:44 GMT
#2290
So sick pot distribution, there will be at least one, maybe even two groups of death.
e.g. Spain/Germany/Portugal/France and Netherlands/Italy/Croatia/Denmark, holy cow
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 10:54:03
December 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#2291
On December 02 2011 18:44 kazansky wrote:
So sick pot distribution, there will be at least one, maybe even two groups of death.
e.g. Spain/Germany/Portugal/France and Netherlands/Italy/Croatia/Denmark, holy cow


Yeah agree, i'm waiting 18:00 for the groups !

"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
December 02 2011 17:16 GMT
#2292
Its about to begin...
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 17:40:26
December 02 2011 17:39 GMT
#2293
I want to see a Spain/♥Germany♥/Portugal/France Group!
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 17:54:06
December 02 2011 17:53 GMT
#2294
AHAHahahahahah,, group A is so easy and group b is group of eternal DEATH!
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
December 02 2011 17:54 GMT
#2295
Lol every Team in Group B is better than any team in Group A xD
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
December 02 2011 17:56 GMT
#2296
Nice! Finally we got a good grp and not these boring grps like in the last EM/WM.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
December 02 2011 17:58 GMT
#2297
Yeah I really like this group. Germany and Denmark to go through, you heard it here first
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 02 2011 18:00 GMT
#2298
Group B FTW...
You have the power to create your own destiny.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
December 02 2011 18:02 GMT
#2299
group A what a fucking joke hahaha. It's group of death. For viewers.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
December 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#2300
England got an OK group, not bad, but not the best either
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