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2plusthree
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation43 Posts
June 24 2011 22:18 GMT
#281
On June 25 2011 07:06 ATLzac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 06:49 Turgid wrote:
I was just looking for a general place to get builds for PvM for all classes. I know we can make it through the game with a lot of builds but if there's only, say, 3 of us I want to at least be able to touch Hell. I think ATLzac's link has some of what I need but I'm really surprised I can't find a database of cookie cutter builds.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=49337226&f=87

edit- saw you found it

register for the site and join the community

its a great asset to have around

those guides are pretty bad
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 24 2011 22:19 GMT
#282
On June 25 2011 07:04 Glenstorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 06:28 Alzadar wrote:
I can't for the life of me get past the Ancients though. They were EZ PZ back in Nightmare but now they have Cold, Fire and Cold + Fire immunities respectively, and the whirlwind one just shreds my Desert merc in seconds. Any tips or strategies on how to get past them?


The ancients spawn with 110% Fire resistance, 100% Lightning Resistance, and 150% Cold Resistance respectively. Cold Enchanted and fire Enchanted both add 75% to that element's resistance, so they will stack with the ancients native resistance to make them immune to that element as well. Additionally, korlic (the naturally cold immune one) has enough fire resistance that a magic resistant modifier will make him immune to that as well.

You need to respawn the ancients until you can get a fight you can handle. I can't remember if the town portal fight reset changes their modifiers or not, you may need to exit and re-enter the game.

As drew said, you should utilize teleport to keep your merc out of their attack range until you've killed most of them off. After that, you should be able to force-feed him potions to keep him up and running. If you're running out of potions, you can prep the fight area by coating the ground with pots (placing a bunch in the cube then dropping the cube on the ground with a full inventory is the easiest way to do this)

Good Luck!

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 06:41 Rankath wrote:
There are very few chars (if any? havent played a long time) that can make it through hell alone.
D2 is supposed to be a Multiplayergame and esp. in Hell you need the support of other classes/speccs to kill guys like "immune to fire - immune to cold"

You do need to build your character to handle 2 or 3 different types of elemental damage, but the game is definitely beatable with any char, even with severe restrictions. In this tournament here for example, players were able to beat hardcore with every class (except barbarian, whose run was never finished) without investing any points in vitality.


I hadn't thought of dropping potions on the ground, that's a good idea. I have been spamming Meteor all over before the start of a fight but the fire damage isn't much anyways.

Thanks for the tips. :D
I am the Town Medic.
ATLzac
Profile Joined February 2011
United States51 Posts
June 24 2011 22:23 GMT
#283
ya there are some pretty shitty ones in there, but some are good.

a general mechanics guide is the best imo. once u understand cb, ds, ow, fhr, fcr, etc u can pretty much build synergies, hit breakpoints and be good to go

now that u can reset skills too its easy to rape every diff, unless youre running around in blues in hell.
Peace.
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
June 24 2011 23:18 GMT
#284
On June 25 2011 07:19 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 07:04 Glenstorm wrote:
On June 25 2011 06:28 Alzadar wrote:
I can't for the life of me get past the Ancients though. They were EZ PZ back in Nightmare but now they have Cold, Fire and Cold + Fire immunities respectively, and the whirlwind one just shreds my Desert merc in seconds. Any tips or strategies on how to get past them?


The ancients spawn with 110% Fire resistance, 100% Lightning Resistance, and 150% Cold Resistance respectively. Cold Enchanted and fire Enchanted both add 75% to that element's resistance, so they will stack with the ancients native resistance to make them immune to that element as well. Additionally, korlic (the naturally cold immune one) has enough fire resistance that a magic resistant modifier will make him immune to that as well.

You need to respawn the ancients until you can get a fight you can handle. I can't remember if the town portal fight reset changes their modifiers or not, you may need to exit and re-enter the game.

As drew said, you should utilize teleport to keep your merc out of their attack range until you've killed most of them off. After that, you should be able to force-feed him potions to keep him up and running. If you're running out of potions, you can prep the fight area by coating the ground with pots (placing a bunch in the cube then dropping the cube on the ground with a full inventory is the easiest way to do this)

Good Luck!

On June 25 2011 06:41 Rankath wrote:
There are very few chars (if any? havent played a long time) that can make it through hell alone.
D2 is supposed to be a Multiplayergame and esp. in Hell you need the support of other classes/speccs to kill guys like "immune to fire - immune to cold"

You do need to build your character to handle 2 or 3 different types of elemental damage, but the game is definitely beatable with any char, even with severe restrictions. In this tournament here for example, players were able to beat hardcore with every class (except barbarian, whose run was never finished) without investing any points in vitality.


I hadn't thought of dropping potions on the ground, that's a good idea. I have been spamming Meteor all over before the start of a fight but the fire damage isn't much anyways.

Thanks for the tips. :D

Another good idea is to find or shop for a wand with Lower Resist charges on it. Keep in mind that when breaking immunities, it works at 1/5 effectiveness.

Also, I usually feel that a holy freeze merc is much more useful than a defense merc. You might want to consider switching.
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
Glenstorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States69 Posts
June 24 2011 23:55 GMT
#285
On June 25 2011 08:18 Gliche wrote:Another good idea is to find or shop for a wand with Lower Resist charges on it. Keep in mind that when breaking immunities, it works at 1/5 effectiveness.

It's more effective to shop for a knife of lower resistance because a knife can get up to lvl 3 lower resist charges, while wands can only get lvl 1. Level 3 lower resist is -41%, but after the 1/5 penalty only drops resistances 8. In his situation it's useless because the ancients will have a minimum of 110% in the relevant resistances, but this is still good advice in general (and would also be good for a lightning sorc v ancients).
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 25 2011 06:41 GMT
#286
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
June 25 2011 06:48 GMT
#287
On June 25 2011 15:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?


Not really. Life tap always gets you 50% life leech. But duration and radius does increase with higher skill level.
IMBA
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 25 2011 07:13 GMT
#288
On June 25 2011 07:04 Glenstorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 06:28 Alzadar wrote:
I can't for the life of me get past the Ancients though. They were EZ PZ back in Nightmare but now they have Cold, Fire and Cold + Fire immunities respectively, and the whirlwind one just shreds my Desert merc in seconds. Any tips or strategies on how to get past them?


The ancients spawn with 110% Fire resistance, 100% Lightning Resistance, and 150% Cold Resistance respectively. Cold Enchanted and fire Enchanted both add 75% to that element's resistance, so they will stack with the ancients native resistance to make them immune to that element as well. Additionally, korlic (the naturally cold immune one) has enough fire resistance that a magic resistant modifier will make him immune to that as well.

You need to respawn the ancients until you can get a fight you can handle. I can't remember if the town portal fight reset changes their modifiers or not, you may need to exit and re-enter the game.

As drew said, you should utilize teleport to keep your merc out of their attack range until you've killed most of them off. After that, you should be able to force-feed him potions to keep him up and running. If you're running out of potions, you can prep the fight area by coating the ground with pots (placing a bunch in the cube then dropping the cube on the ground with a full inventory is the easiest way to do this)

Good Luck!

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 06:41 Rankath wrote:
There are very few chars (if any? havent played a long time) that can make it through hell alone.
D2 is supposed to be a Multiplayergame and esp. in Hell you need the support of other classes/speccs to kill guys like "immune to fire - immune to cold"

You do need to build your character to handle 2 or 3 different types of elemental damage, but the game is definitely beatable with any char, even with severe restrictions. In this tournament here for example, players were able to beat hardcore with every class (except barbarian, whose run was never finished) without investing any points in vitality.


the game is much easier with runewords, crafted items and charms compared to D2 classic xD
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 07:48:58
June 25 2011 07:40 GMT
#289
On June 25 2011 15:48 Cadical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 15:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?


Not really. Life tap always gets you 50% life leech. But duration and radius does increase with higher skill level.

I think he means what skill level can spawn. Any skill that appears on items as a charge should be able to spawn up to level 5. So an item can have level 1-5 life tap. The higher level your char is, the higher level the skill can be on the item.

edit: also, I'm gonna wait until you realize how shitty smite (or almost any single target ability) is for pvm. If you want to have fun, give your paladin a bow and use the frost or shock aura. Tis awesome!@.@ And add knockback from an item.
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
tango127
Profile Joined February 2011
United States24 Posts
June 25 2011 20:30 GMT
#290
anyone playing on useast softcore ladder? add me tango127
currently a shitty barb barely slow pushing through nm lol
One Plott stole my heart, the other stole my ladder points.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
June 25 2011 20:39 GMT
#291
So I tried to play diablo 1 LAN with some friends, but I don't understand the game at all..

1) you move as slow as a reaver
2) when you die, you respawn with 1 life and 0 mana, so have to get healed before you do anything
3) you can hostile your allies at any point in the game (outside town) and kill them
4) I saved the best for last.. you drop all your gear on the floor when you die! what happens if you die but cant retrieve your body, you just lose all your shit? or on b.net people kill you and take your gear?

i really think I'm missing something, is there a patch/expansion/mod that fixes these problems?
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 25 2011 20:57 GMT
#292
because stealing gear is pointless, you could just download a char with perfect items if thats your thang. the d1 community is about having fun and playing together, not the rushfest of d2
Aah thats the stuff..
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:19:52
June 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#293
On June 25 2011 16:40 Gliche wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 15:48 Cadical wrote:
On June 25 2011 15:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?


Not really. Life tap always gets you 50% life leech. But duration and radius does increase with higher skill level.

I think he means what skill level can spawn. Any skill that appears on items as a charge should be able to spawn up to level 5. So an item can have level 1-5 life tap. The higher level your char is, the higher level the skill can be on the item.

edit: also, I'm gonna wait until you realize how shitty smite (or almost any single target ability) is for pvm. If you want to have fun, give your paladin a bow and use the frost or shock aura. Tis awesome!@.@ And add knockback from an item.

I would need an oskill with something like multiple arrows though to make it work since paladins are horrible at killing stuff with bows?

I'm kind of worried that hell will cut life tap duration too much. It's the only thing making battles with champions, large numbers of monsters, and bosses really easy. On hell, a lvl5 lifetap lasts 6 seconds as opposed to the 10 that a lvl3 life tap lasts on nightmare. That combined with smite's horrible damage scaling, and hell difficulties great monster life scaling, may make progress with smite unbearably slow.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
June 25 2011 22:26 GMT
#294
If you're going smite you should probably be getting a ton of CB no? I have two zeal/smite hybrids that feel obscenely overpowered. Granted, I haven't played since the patch but if you have a bunch of CB + life tap you should be fine.
RIP CHARLIEMURPHY 11/25/10 NEVER FORGET | Hurricane#1183 @ B.net
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
June 25 2011 22:59 GMT
#295
On June 26 2011 07:26 Hurricane wrote:
If you're going smite you should probably be getting a ton of CB no? I have two zeal/smite hybrids that feel obscenely overpowered. Granted, I haven't played since the patch but if you have a bunch of CB + life tap you should be fine.


CB + life tap basically lets you kill any boss in the game with very basic gear as long as you have a way to keep tap up.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 25 2011 23:18 GMT
#296
read where the guy is at. he is not farming ubers with high end gear, he is questing through the game untwinked. in his situation, smite, and all melee skills really, are a terrible choice performance wise. In short, switch back to hammers if you want to avoid trouble. Diablo 2 is pretty terribly balanced build wise, especially if you dont have top end gear.
Aah thats the stuff..
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
June 26 2011 01:36 GMT
#297
On June 26 2011 07:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 16:40 Gliche wrote:
On June 25 2011 15:48 Cadical wrote:
On June 25 2011 15:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?


Not really. Life tap always gets you 50% life leech. But duration and radius does increase with higher skill level.

I think he means what skill level can spawn. Any skill that appears on items as a charge should be able to spawn up to level 5. So an item can have level 1-5 life tap. The higher level your char is, the higher level the skill can be on the item.

edit: also, I'm gonna wait until you realize how shitty smite (or almost any single target ability) is for pvm. If you want to have fun, give your paladin a bow and use the frost or shock aura. Tis awesome!@.@ And add knockback from an item.

I would need an oskill with something like multiple arrows though to make it work since paladins are horrible at killing stuff with bows?

I'm kind of worried that hell will cut life tap duration too much. It's the only thing making battles with champions, large numbers of monsters, and bosses really easy. On hell, a lvl5 lifetap lasts 6 seconds as opposed to the 10 that a lvl3 life tap lasts on nightmare. That combined with smite's horrible damage scaling, and hell difficulties great monster life scaling, may make progress with smite unbearably slow.

Pallys with bows are really just a "for fun" build. Smite really isn't going to cut it at all in hell, like others have said. Have you used up your respecs? If not I would highly suggest you get off smite and use either hammers or vengeance. Those are the only 2 pally builds worth their salt in hell.
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
June 26 2011 14:55 GMT
#298
melee skills need AR, but when you get the crazy AR like my fury druid, he lolstomps ubers or pvm in general
his gear isnt expensive either, ik set [no helm], jalals, angelic rings and ammy
22k AR, gets to 30K with enchant from demon limb

skills are
max werewolf, lycanthropy, feral rage, fury
no summons as he goes for ubers, but you could max oak sage or HOW for life/AR if needed
North Korea is best Korea!
bluefuzz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 15:42:19
June 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#299
On June 26 2011 05:39 Assault_1 wrote:
So I tried to play diablo 1 LAN with some friends, but I don't understand the game at all..

1) you move as slow as a reaver
2) when you die, you respawn with 1 life and 0 mana, so have to get healed before you do anything
3) you can hostile your allies at any point in the game (outside town) and kill them
4) I saved the best for last.. you drop all your gear on the floor when you die! what happens if you die but cant retrieve your body, you just lose all your shit? or on b.net people kill you and take your gear?

i really think I'm missing something, is there a patch/expansion/mod that fixes these problems?


1) press R to run, wear boots that increase run speed
2) every town has a person you can talk to that will give you full life and mana
3) not sure if that works if your in their party, which you can do by pressing P
4) if you cant retrieve your body, i.e. its under diablo, just log out and back in and your corpse will be in town, but you forfeit any of the gold you may have dropped, which is why its wise to deposit it into your stash

edit: just noticed you said Diablo 1, not sure if you meant 2 as this is the diablo 2 forum
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Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:30:34
June 26 2011 16:29 GMT
#300
On June 26 2011 07:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 16:40 Gliche wrote:
On June 25 2011 15:48 Cadical wrote:
On June 25 2011 15:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Well I prbably shuldn't have played tday. Hly crap its almst 3!

My o key is kinda hard t use

Anyways, games easy if you know rune wrds Nightmare difficulty. Only hard enemy are stygian dolls. Changed frm a hammerdin t sacrifice build and I realized hw shitty melee attacks are withut ignr target defenec.

Now I'm doing smite, with a life tap lvl3 wand. Does the level thing on wands and daggers apply for lifetap too?


Not really. Life tap always gets you 50% life leech. But duration and radius does increase with higher skill level.

I think he means what skill level can spawn. Any skill that appears on items as a charge should be able to spawn up to level 5. So an item can have level 1-5 life tap. The higher level your char is, the higher level the skill can be on the item.

edit: also, I'm gonna wait until you realize how shitty smite (or almost any single target ability) is for pvm. If you want to have fun, give your paladin a bow and use the frost or shock aura. Tis awesome!@.@ And add knockback from an item.

I would need an oskill with something like multiple arrows though to make it work since paladins are horrible at killing stuff with bows?

I'm kind of worried that hell will cut life tap duration too much. It's the only thing making battles with champions, large numbers of monsters, and bosses really easy. On hell, a lvl5 lifetap lasts 6 seconds as opposed to the 10 that a lvl3 life tap lasts on nightmare. That combined with smite's horrible damage scaling, and hell difficulties great monster life scaling, may make progress with smite unbearably slow.



Life tap durations aren't reduced based on a difficulty. Only AI affecting curses (Confuse, Attract, Dim Vision) are cut in duration according to Arreat Summit.
IMBA
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