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Interestingly enough...... since the beginning of the season, before the Heat even played one game, I always thought to myself, "even with LeBron, D Wade is the better player."
I still stand by it, I believe without Wade the Heat would be NOTHING!
Go HEAT!!!
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On May 12 2011 11:13 Seeker wrote:
Interestingly enough...... since the beginning of the season, before the Heat even played one game, I always thought to myself, "even with LeBron, D Wade is the better player."
I still stand by it, I believe without Wade the Heat would be NOTHING!
Go HEAT!!!
The same could be said for LeBron...and according to the MVP and first team all-defense voting from coaches and sportswriters, seems like even with all the LeBron hatred that everyone outside of Miami harbors (and some IN Miami, judging from comments like yours), they seem to think the opposite.
Either way, can this garbage stop? At the end of the day, they're DIFFERENT players.
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On May 12 2011 10:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
Sure it impacted the series, but overall it didn't impact the outcome because Miami is better. If Boston was the better team, they would have at least won a game in Miami before Rondo got hurt. But they didn't. Miami looked like the better team at the end of the season when Rondo was healthy and in the first two games when Rondo was healthy.
Boston never played the same after they traded Perkins. They ended the season on a bad note and beat the mighty Knicks who were missing a healthy Amare in the first round. Boston isn't the same team that won the championship in 2008. Hell they aren't the same team that went to it last year. Miami is better.
Yes, I agree with this sumary. Boston has been fading ever since that trade, even though Perkins didn't actually play that much for Boston with all his injuries. For a while it looked like they would finish #1 in the East, then they tanked hard to fall to 3rd.
I also feel a little vindicated after saying a few times during the second half of the regular season than Miami was arguably the most dangerous team in the playoffs, due to their superstars and advanced metrics showing that they had played better than their record during the regular season. This despite the fact that I want them to lose, and will be rooting for Chicago 
On May 12 2011 11:03 rei wrote:
The only reason Celtics won that one game was because after rondo came back from the injury the heat players won't even touch him and let him just freely run around doing uncontested lay ups.
Heat basically let celtics have that game out of pity, how many times have Rondo catch the ball with one hand? dribble the ball with one hand, Never once did Miami players force Rondo to go left by positioning themselves to the right, hell they didn't even close up on him when he picks up the ball and looking for a pass, they did everything they can to allow Rondo to do his thing.
When Rondo got injured, Boston was already up 10. He came back in the 4th quarter, and the Celts were up 11 at that point. Rondo's first points after the injury made the score 81-63, and the Heat only ended up scoring 81 points all game.
Playing relaxed defense on Rondo had nothing to do with the final outcome of game 3. Rondo only had 6 points; it was Garnett (28) and Pierce (27) that had the big games.
This was a legit win but it had as much to do with Miami playing poor offense (81 points wouldn't have beaten Boston in any game this series) as anything.
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Yea really. They are the 2 best players in the league. While similarly destructive they just get shit done. Those last 5 possessions are going to be immortalized on NBA TV for years to come.
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The better team won, there's no denying that. Even if Rondo would've been healthy, it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
LeBron and Wade have been playing awe-inspiring Basketball lately and Bosh starts to mesh in as an elite role-player which has played a crucial part in their recent success (at least that's how I perceive the Heat's situation).
I can't wait to see how the Bulls (I don't believe Atlanta makes it) handle the nightmare that is a slashing Wade and the dominance that surrounds James' play. They might even be able to handle the Heat's offence but I believe they get slaughtered by Miami's defence.
I expect another Mavs-Heat Finals and I firmly believe that series could go either way, both teams have nights where they play absolutely astonishing Basketball.
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On May 12 2011 11:11 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 10:49 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 10:39 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:37 Ace wrote:
Lebron and Wade...wow. What a way to end the game. 5 straight possessions of ridiculously good basketball. Yea, when he got the rhythm jumper on the left wing i knew it was over On May 12 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 12 2011 10:34 Holcan wrote:
Heat fans acting like Rondo going down in the third game with a dislocated elbow didnt end this series, i love it.
Congratulations you have now reached the level of 2009 Orlando, beating Boston, but not really since they are missing their most important player :D. was 2-0 before then, maybe he should've dislocated the other one so they could win another game in the series whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember that beating an injured team doesnt really mean much. If you honestly thought that Miami was going to 4-1 Boston without an injured Rondo you need to watch more basketball. You mean whatever helps you sleep at night because you fail to acknowledge that the Heat were up 2-0 before the Rondo injury. Miami is the better team. I've been saying it all year long. They would have beaten Boston if Rondo were healthy. Not a doubt in my mind. I think them going up 2-0 when Rondo was healthy, and beating them right at the end of the season proves that. Yea, because Delonte turning the ball over in game 4, and having Paul Pierce over exert himself on both ends of the floor because of no primary ball handler didnt have an effect on game 5. They were up 2-0, so what? they won two home games, if Rondo wasnt injured in game 3 who knows how the next few games would have played out. Its asinine to think that Rondos injury didnt have a majour impact on this series, downright insulting tbh. ...and, calling the Heat the 2009 version of Orlando isn't downright insulting, when the two teams having nothing in common except for beating Boston? Defense wins championships, and the Heat play better team D than every other team in the league. Orlando was just a great but limited interior with sporadic outside shooting, and weak everything else. As far as injuries go with Rondo...yeah, sure, but I can also say that the Heat would be a totally different and better team with a healthy Haslem and Miller - and the result might have been the same even if Boston had a healthy Rondo and Perkins. Remember when Bill Simmons scoffed at the Heat's roster, then pissed his pants when the Heat signed Mike Miller? Yeah...speculation is meaningless, so...who cares?
I didnt call them 2009 Orlando, i said they accomplished as much as them, so far, which as we all know isnt much of an accomplishment.
Mike Miller? Thats your injured player to throw out there, Haslem ill buy since he is a banger, but Mike Miller? They will be looking to trade that useless contract in the off season like they tried before the trade deadline.
Congratulations to the heat for winning, but please dont act like winning game 4 and game 5 were some huge feat, the heat were EXPECTED to win the series anyways.
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On May 12 2011 11:24 Ace wrote:
Yea really. They are the 2 best players in the league. While similarly destructive they just get shit done. Those last 5 possessions are going to be immortalized on NBA TV for years to come.
The way LeBron closed that game out, on both ends, was nothing short of amazing.
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I loved Riley's face when Wade jumped out of bounds on that last play (wtf was he doing?). He was so worried.
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was James crying in the end? I thought he was cause his teammates came around and block the cameras so they can't take a look at his face
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On May 12 2011 11:32 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 11:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 12 2011 10:49 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 10:39 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:37 Ace wrote:
Lebron and Wade...wow. What a way to end the game. 5 straight possessions of ridiculously good basketball. Yea, when he got the rhythm jumper on the left wing i knew it was over On May 12 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 12 2011 10:34 Holcan wrote:
Heat fans acting like Rondo going down in the third game with a dislocated elbow didnt end this series, i love it.
Congratulations you have now reached the level of 2009 Orlando, beating Boston, but not really since they are missing their most important player :D. was 2-0 before then, maybe he should've dislocated the other one so they could win another game in the series whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember that beating an injured team doesnt really mean much. If you honestly thought that Miami was going to 4-1 Boston without an injured Rondo you need to watch more basketball. You mean whatever helps you sleep at night because you fail to acknowledge that the Heat were up 2-0 before the Rondo injury. Miami is the better team. I've been saying it all year long. They would have beaten Boston if Rondo were healthy. Not a doubt in my mind. I think them going up 2-0 when Rondo was healthy, and beating them right at the end of the season proves that. Yea, because Delonte turning the ball over in game 4, and having Paul Pierce over exert himself on both ends of the floor because of no primary ball handler didnt have an effect on game 5. They were up 2-0, so what? they won two home games, if Rondo wasnt injured in game 3 who knows how the next few games would have played out. Its asinine to think that Rondos injury didnt have a majour impact on this series, downright insulting tbh. ...and, calling the Heat the 2009 version of Orlando isn't downright insulting, when the two teams having nothing in common except for beating Boston? Defense wins championships, and the Heat play better team D than every other team in the league. Orlando was just a great but limited interior with sporadic outside shooting, and weak everything else. As far as injuries go with Rondo...yeah, sure, but I can also say that the Heat would be a totally different and better team with a healthy Haslem and Miller - and the result might have been the same even if Boston had a healthy Rondo and Perkins. Remember when Bill Simmons scoffed at the Heat's roster, then pissed his pants when the Heat signed Mike Miller? Yeah...speculation is meaningless, so...who cares? I didnt call them 2009 Orlando, i said they accomplished as much as them, so far, which as we all know isnt much of an accomplishment. Mike Miller? Thats your injured player to throw out there, Haslem ill buy since he is a banger, but Mike Miller? They will be looking to trade that useless contract in the off season like they tried before the trade deadline. Congratulations to the heat for winning, but please dont act like winning game 4 and game 5 were some huge feat, the heat were EXPECTED to win the series anyways.
Yes, they were expected to win, because they are the better team. Which you fail to acknowledge.
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im just going to be the bigger man and drop this conversation, thank you.
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On May 12 2011 11:42 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 11:32 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 11:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 12 2011 10:49 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 10:39 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:37 Ace wrote:
Lebron and Wade...wow. What a way to end the game. 5 straight possessions of ridiculously good basketball. Yea, when he got the rhythm jumper on the left wing i knew it was over On May 12 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 12 2011 10:34 Holcan wrote:
Heat fans acting like Rondo going down in the third game with a dislocated elbow didnt end this series, i love it.
Congratulations you have now reached the level of 2009 Orlando, beating Boston, but not really since they are missing their most important player :D. was 2-0 before then, maybe he should've dislocated the other one so they could win another game in the series whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember that beating an injured team doesnt really mean much. If you honestly thought that Miami was going to 4-1 Boston without an injured Rondo you need to watch more basketball. You mean whatever helps you sleep at night because you fail to acknowledge that the Heat were up 2-0 before the Rondo injury. Miami is the better team. I've been saying it all year long. They would have beaten Boston if Rondo were healthy. Not a doubt in my mind. I think them going up 2-0 when Rondo was healthy, and beating them right at the end of the season proves that. Yea, because Delonte turning the ball over in game 4, and having Paul Pierce over exert himself on both ends of the floor because of no primary ball handler didnt have an effect on game 5. They were up 2-0, so what? they won two home games, if Rondo wasnt injured in game 3 who knows how the next few games would have played out. Its asinine to think that Rondos injury didnt have a majour impact on this series, downright insulting tbh. ...and, calling the Heat the 2009 version of Orlando isn't downright insulting, when the two teams having nothing in common except for beating Boston? Defense wins championships, and the Heat play better team D than every other team in the league. Orlando was just a great but limited interior with sporadic outside shooting, and weak everything else. As far as injuries go with Rondo...yeah, sure, but I can also say that the Heat would be a totally different and better team with a healthy Haslem and Miller - and the result might have been the same even if Boston had a healthy Rondo and Perkins. Remember when Bill Simmons scoffed at the Heat's roster, then pissed his pants when the Heat signed Mike Miller? Yeah...speculation is meaningless, so...who cares? I didnt call them 2009 Orlando, i said they accomplished as much as them, so far, which as we all know isnt much of an accomplishment. Mike Miller? Thats your injured player to throw out there, Haslem ill buy since he is a banger, but Mike Miller? They will be looking to trade that useless contract in the off season like they tried before the trade deadline. Congratulations to the heat for winning, but please dont act like winning game 4 and game 5 were some huge feat, the heat were EXPECTED to win the series anyways. Yes, they were expected to win, because they are the better team. Which you fail to acknowledge. I never failed to recognize the strength of Miami, you are just being ignorant to what im typing, thanks for being a dick in a thread ive been nothing but diplomatic in.
Your posts make it seem like Boston would have easily won if Rondo were healthy. Even when people posted that Miami was up 2-0 before the injury happened you said "so what." I'm sorry that stating facts makes me a dick.
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On May 12 2011 11:12 shmay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 10:56 Ace wrote:
The Heat offense looks a million times better with Wade initiating. His non stop attack mode and elusive dribble just kept killing Boston. If only Mario Chalmers would play like that. Wade is the most explosive player I've ever seen. He just carves up defenses. Pretty cool to watch.
Which is why D-Wade is my favorite player ever. Him alone made the Heat my favorite team
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On May 12 2011 11:48 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 11:12 shmay wrote:On May 12 2011 10:56 Ace wrote:
The Heat offense looks a million times better with Wade initiating. His non stop attack mode and elusive dribble just kept killing Boston. If only Mario Chalmers would play like that. Wade is the most explosive player I've ever seen. He just carves up defenses. Pretty cool to watch. Which is why D-Wade is my favorite player ever. Him alone made the Heat my favorite team
Man, I remember watching Wade in 2003 at Marquette. I had no idea who he was but he was AMAZING. I've never seen a player that was such a force of nature. He was amazing against Pitt. Against Kentucky? I think he had a triple double. He is so great to watch.
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Where dat snitch at?37087 Posts
OKC tearing up MEM, me not liking game so far : /
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On May 12 2011 11:32 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 11:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 12 2011 10:49 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 10:39 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:37 Ace wrote:
Lebron and Wade...wow. What a way to end the game. 5 straight possessions of ridiculously good basketball. Yea, when he got the rhythm jumper on the left wing i knew it was over On May 12 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 12 2011 10:34 Holcan wrote:
Heat fans acting like Rondo going down in the third game with a dislocated elbow didnt end this series, i love it.
Congratulations you have now reached the level of 2009 Orlando, beating Boston, but not really since they are missing their most important player :D. was 2-0 before then, maybe he should've dislocated the other one so they could win another game in the series whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember that beating an injured team doesnt really mean much. If you honestly thought that Miami was going to 4-1 Boston without an injured Rondo you need to watch more basketball. You mean whatever helps you sleep at night because you fail to acknowledge that the Heat were up 2-0 before the Rondo injury. Miami is the better team. I've been saying it all year long. They would have beaten Boston if Rondo were healthy. Not a doubt in my mind. I think them going up 2-0 when Rondo was healthy, and beating them right at the end of the season proves that. Yea, because Delonte turning the ball over in game 4, and having Paul Pierce over exert himself on both ends of the floor because of no primary ball handler didnt have an effect on game 5. They were up 2-0, so what? they won two home games, if Rondo wasnt injured in game 3 who knows how the next few games would have played out. Its asinine to think that Rondos injury didnt have a majour impact on this series, downright insulting tbh. ...and, calling the Heat the 2009 version of Orlando isn't downright insulting, when the two teams having nothing in common except for beating Boston? Defense wins championships, and the Heat play better team D than every other team in the league. Orlando was just a great but limited interior with sporadic outside shooting, and weak everything else. As far as injuries go with Rondo...yeah, sure, but I can also say that the Heat would be a totally different and better team with a healthy Haslem and Miller - and the result might have been the same even if Boston had a healthy Rondo and Perkins. Remember when Bill Simmons scoffed at the Heat's roster, then pissed his pants when the Heat signed Mike Miller? Yeah...speculation is meaningless, so...who cares? Congratulations to the heat for winning, but please dont act like winning game 4 and game 5 were some huge feat, the heat were EXPECTED to win the series anyways.
It's weird that you say they were expected to win considering 90% of the analysts were picking the celtics. I know analysts are a bit hit or miss but it was a general consensus that it would be a close series with the celtics winning in 6 to most.
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On May 12 2011 12:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 11:32 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 11:11 Qaatar wrote:On May 12 2011 10:49 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 12 2011 10:39 Holcan wrote:On May 12 2011 10:37 Ace wrote:
Lebron and Wade...wow. What a way to end the game. 5 straight possessions of ridiculously good basketball. Yea, when he got the rhythm jumper on the left wing i knew it was over On May 12 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 12 2011 10:34 Holcan wrote:
Heat fans acting like Rondo going down in the third game with a dislocated elbow didnt end this series, i love it.
Congratulations you have now reached the level of 2009 Orlando, beating Boston, but not really since they are missing their most important player :D. was 2-0 before then, maybe he should've dislocated the other one so they could win another game in the series whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember that beating an injured team doesnt really mean much. If you honestly thought that Miami was going to 4-1 Boston without an injured Rondo you need to watch more basketball. You mean whatever helps you sleep at night because you fail to acknowledge that the Heat were up 2-0 before the Rondo injury. Miami is the better team. I've been saying it all year long. They would have beaten Boston if Rondo were healthy. Not a doubt in my mind. I think them going up 2-0 when Rondo was healthy, and beating them right at the end of the season proves that. Yea, because Delonte turning the ball over in game 4, and having Paul Pierce over exert himself on both ends of the floor because of no primary ball handler didnt have an effect on game 5. They were up 2-0, so what? they won two home games, if Rondo wasnt injured in game 3 who knows how the next few games would have played out. Its asinine to think that Rondos injury didnt have a majour impact on this series, downright insulting tbh. ...and, calling the Heat the 2009 version of Orlando isn't downright insulting, when the two teams having nothing in common except for beating Boston? Defense wins championships, and the Heat play better team D than every other team in the league. Orlando was just a great but limited interior with sporadic outside shooting, and weak everything else. As far as injuries go with Rondo...yeah, sure, but I can also say that the Heat would be a totally different and better team with a healthy Haslem and Miller - and the result might have been the same even if Boston had a healthy Rondo and Perkins. Remember when Bill Simmons scoffed at the Heat's roster, then pissed his pants when the Heat signed Mike Miller? Yeah...speculation is meaningless, so...who cares? Congratulations to the heat for winning, but please dont act like winning game 4 and game 5 were some huge feat, the heat were EXPECTED to win the series anyways. It's weird that you say they were expected to win considering 90% of the analysts were picking the celtics. I know analysts are a bit hit or miss but it was a general consensus that it would be a close series with the celtics winning in 6 to most.
The media hates the Heat, and they weren't expecting Rondo to get injured, add those things together and you get most analysts picking the Celtics. I had the series going to 7 either way when looking at it without bias, with bias i had Celtics in 4 ! :D.
OKC just dismantling memphis right now
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i want okc to win, but i hate games where teams have 20+ point leads, its just not fun to watch cause it's so hard to come back.
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Wow, the Grizzlies aren't doing too well when Z-Bo isn't on his game..
.. and Conley is shooting like a drunken monkey, he didn't contribute too much last game either (bar the huge three to extend the game).. 3 for 15 in total, and 3 for 14 of them being within the arc - that won't get you further into the playoffs :\
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WOW Memphis is choking hard tonight. Terrible timing, game 5 of a 2-2 series is critical. (anyone know the % of teams that come back from trailing 2-3?)
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