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On May 28 2012 19:59 pettter wrote:
Saber launcher doesn't need a buff or it will be completely OP in pubs. As it is, you'll get most newbs with little trouble unless they can find cover, though of course most of the better player will be able to intercept it.
Shoot-on-lock is reasonable, but I don't really see how you've managed to get it to blow up at your feet considering the missile starts off by shooting straight up for a small bit. Are you sure that you didn't try to fire it inside a tower or so?
DMB does need a reasonable secondary though. The chaingun and mines/nades are useful, especially combined with forcefields, but I would really appreciate anything explosive, like a fusor or plasma gun or something. It doesn't even have to be especially good as long as it's an explosive secondary that doesn't require lockon.
I don't believe it will be OP. I play only pubs and I suck. And i got in 5 matches today... 2 hits with the saber and probably 5 lock ons. The weapon imho is just completly useless. It gets blocked by everything as it always takes the direct path. It has loud lock-on sound on the enemy, gives big orange rockets with red circles around it to shoot them down. And they are not really fast.
No I was not inside a tower. I was standing in the open on sunstar. Don't ask me how that happens but it did happen. Also there are some very weird bugs with the weapons in general (or I don't get how some things work). Sometimes the missle graphic will just stay in place. Sometimes I don't get a lock-on even if it is past 5 seconds of airtime. There is also the weird thing that sometimes weapons will not fire after a weapon switch (happens often with the chaingun).
As for secondary. I don't know. I wouldn't really know what I would do with. But I would love something to slow down pathfinders after a cap. Or keep them on the ground or anything. At the moment I just feel useless if I let somebody get the flag. But something like that would probably just overlap some other role or make the DMB op.
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Man sabre missle launchers. In pubs theres always that one DMB that stands on the highest platform in the map and locks on to anybody trying to get any kind of airtime. Like, thats all that guy does the whole game. He is obviously credit to team.
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On May 28 2012 20:51 BlindKill wrote:
Man sabre missle launchers. In pubs theres always that one DMB that stands on the highest platform in the map and locks on to anybody trying to get any kind of airtime. Like, thats all that guy does the whole game. He is obviously credit to team.
Do that all the time when I have 300 ping but want to play. Either that or play technician and run around fixing stuff if I actually want a better chance at winning.
Btw, anyone who hasn't tried it yet, you should try low sensitivity (<10) I went from 10 to 6 and aim is a lot better on medium range sprays with smgs. I do have a lot of trouble with close quarters combat when people move a lot though but that's due to me being lazy and not wanting to move my arm too much.
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Yup. Low sens is AMAZING. Theres some comp players who have absurd low sens, like 18 inches for a 180.
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On May 29 2012 01:37 Coriolis wrote:
Yup. Low sens is AMAZING. Theres some comp players who have absurd low sens, like 18 inches for a 180.
This. I can't recommend low sen enough. Also turning your reticule off with SMGs lets you see where the bullet "train" is, which helps beginners get a handle on automatics.
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Most competitive players do use low mouse sensitivity, but not all, and it's certainly not the automatic secret to FPS success that people seem to want it to be. Correlation does not imply causation. Just when you're done examining the wealth of successful players who use low sensitivity and think you're forced to tag along, you find people like zet (CS 1.6) and Anarchy (T:A) who play on "I nudged my mouse and my character had a seizure" mode, and the former was for a time widely considered the best aim in the world.
Mouse sensitivity tweaking is usually embraced by people looking for easy fixes to problems that can only be solved by relentless practice. It's more about personal preference, and sticking with it for consistency, than some magical formula. Just make sure your mouse isn't skipping pixels, and if you tend to overshoot, lower your sensitivity. Don't turn it into a science, just find a preference and practice.
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Heh, Anarchy doesn't have very good aim. Low sensitivity is vastly superior for any sort of tracking work, which is why it's so common in the Tribes competitive scene. Pretty much every player is using at least 25cm/360.
I also disagree with your assertion that sensitivity is preference. At any sensitivity much above 20cm/360 you lose the ability to make the small adjustments that you need to make when tracking small fast moving targets.
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On May 29 2012 07:24 Mabel wrote:
Heh, Anarchy doesn't have very good aim. Low sensitivity is vastly superior for any sort of tracking work, which is why it's so common in the Tribes competitive scene. Pretty much every player is using at least 25cm/360.
I also disagree with your assertion that sensitivity is preference. At any sensitivity much above 20cm/360 you lose the ability to make the small adjustments that you need to make when tracking small fast moving targets.
you find people like zet (CS 1.6) and Anarchy (T:A) who play on "I nudged my mouse and my character had a seizure" mode, and the former was for a time widely considered the best aim in the world.
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On May 29 2012 07:24 Mabel wrote:
Heh, Anarchy doesn't have very good aim. Low sensitivity is vastly superior for any sort of tracking work, which is why it's so common in the Tribes competitive scene. Pretty much every player is using at least 25cm/360.
I also disagree with your assertion that sensitivity is preference. At any sensitivity much above 20cm/360 you lose the ability to make the small adjustments that you need to make when tracking small fast moving targets.
I have less than inch for 180 and snipe no problem even on cappers passing just under me, IT IS 100% personal preference. I'm sure it would be easier if I had low sens, but I can't be bothered to get used to a low sens when I'm fine with this one and I have roughly the same sens in every other game I play.
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On May 29 2012 13:33 Scalepad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 07:24 Mabel wrote:
Heh, Anarchy doesn't have very good aim. Low sensitivity is vastly superior for any sort of tracking work, which is why it's so common in the Tribes competitive scene. Pretty much every player is using at least 25cm/360.
I also disagree with your assertion that sensitivity is preference. At any sensitivity much above 20cm/360 you lose the ability to make the small adjustments that you need to make when tracking small fast moving targets. Show nested quote +you find people like zet (CS 1.6) and Anarchy (T:A) who play on "I nudged my mouse and my character had a seizure" mode, and the former was for a time widely considered the best aim in the world.
CS 1.6 had a different type of aiming to Tribes. You jerked towards a target and you aimed predominantly by strafing. Most of the time you would already know where an enemy would pop out.
Good luck hitting capper going in an orthogonal direction to you at 300 mph using an automatic that takes 10-15 hits.
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Much as I love Mabel, both of your arguments are just appeals to the majority. You make the claim that you have to use low sensitivity because it's impossible to do certain things otherwise ("good luck doing X if you don't do it the way I do it"), which is what I disagree with, and which is refuted by pointing at people who have success without it.
I agree, low sensitivity can be great (especially for certain tasks), and the majority of competitive players use a very low sensitivity. I'm not saying playing on a low sensitivity is bad, or that it doesn't have certain advantages, but I think the advantages aren't what you think they are.
It's easier to learn how to do certain tasks consistently with a lower sensitivity. Easier. But that doesn't mean all other possibilities are excluded, and you clearly can play on a higher sensitivity. I am saying that you don't need to kill your sensitivity to be competitive, and I'm backing it up with evidence. I'm doing this because I feel you guys often completely overstate the vitality of low mouse sensitivity, and I think people need to approach the issue of mouse sensitivity with something less than religious fervor.
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For those of you who actually want to be good at tribes and not just theorycraft
Use a god damn low sensitivity and just see for yourself how much better you are. If you're good without it, props to you, but the number of players who took their first step to becoming good by lowering their mouse sensitivity is absolutely huge
I personally use 3/4 of my mousemat for a 360, and i think it's probably a little too high, but it's what im comfortable with (i use a razor goliath mousemat)
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On May 29 2012 22:43 BrTarolg wrote:
For those of you who actually want to be good at tribes and not just theorycraft
Use a god damn low sensitivity and just see for yourself how much better you are. If you're good without it, props to you, but the number of players who took their first step to becoming good by lowering their mouse sensitivity is absolutely huge
I personally use 3/4 of my mousemat for a 360, and i think it's probably a little too high, but it's what im comfortable with (i use a razor goliath mousemat)
Actually thats not high enough. General rule of thumb for sens is using the entire pad for a 180.
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Why am I downloading 170 megs for fixing one exploit :O Btw, anyone know who spectrop is? He's good but kinda a dick in pubs.
But then again another day of free xp, can't really complain
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I tried low sens and found under 11 unplayable for me. Couldn't track, or target people. Under 15, I had trouble nitroning myself because I needed more than two swipes on my mousepad for 180. I still prefer playing with default sens because I can go 180 with one swipe to nitron and I can target anyone in my FOV without needing multiple swipes.
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On May 30 2012 06:35 Devil Trigger wrote:
I tried low sens and found under 11 unplayable for me. Couldn't track, or target people. Under 15, I had trouble nitroning myself because I needed more than two swipes on my mousepad for 180. I still prefer playing with default sens because I can go 180 with one swipe to nitron and I can target anyone in my FOV without needing multiple swipes.
180 with one swipe is the optimal sensitvity. Any more or any less is detrimental.
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I just heard about legion picking up talespin, holy shit, they're gonna be amazing now.
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On May 30 2012 09:45 Count9 wrote:
I just heard about legion picking up talespin, holy shit, they're gonna be amazing now.
Talespin is so good lol.
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On May 30 2012 09:45 Count9 wrote:
I just heard about legion picking up talespin, holy shit, they're gonna be amazing now.
More so than they already are.
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Been lurking this thread for quite a while, so I'll just pick a few posts that caught my interest. Let's load up that Quote code now~
On May 27 2012 17:28 Muey wrote:
Banning plasma gives an incentive to use other classes, and prevents the game from degrading into an even worse "all raider, all the time, every time" -state than it currently is. God, this happens to me on Pubs more than should be possible. I had one case where it was about 8v8, all Raiders except my sorry Soldier ass. Granted this was before the recent plasma nerf, but still, when there's 15 raiders out of 16 players, something's wrong.
On May 28 2012 20:51 BlindKill wrote:
Man sabre missile launchers. In pubs there's always that one DMB that stands on the highest platform in the map and locks on to anybody trying to get any kind of airtime. Like, that's all that guy does the whole game. He is obviously credit to team. Oddly enough, people like this seem to appear most when I play a Technician. Not even piloting anything, they just randomly target me as I'm hopping back and forth between things to repair and defend. Why do they keep locking on to me? Do they think I'm going to come after them? D:
I think Hi-Rez should give them an alternative to the saber just so they'd have something else to do than play "lock-on peek-a-boo" with me.
On May 30 2012 13:07 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:45 Count9 wrote:
I just heard about legion picking up talespin, holy shit, they're gonna be amazing now. More so than they already are. Didn't they lose to DeadStop during that CSN $2500 Tourney a while back? I kid of course, Legion is very good, and Talespin will only make them better. 
Oh the new patch notes, took me a while to find these, oddly enough. Also, weren't you that bloke who told me and everyone else to fuck off every time you died in a pub, a while back? Not trying to stir shit, I just want to know if it's the same bloke. :\
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Also, for the topic at hand, I tend to use different sensitivity mixtures depending on what game I'm playing. For SC2 it's somewhat high, but for Tribes:Ascend I tend to set the game sensitivity to low/med-low, but have the actual mouse sensitivity set high. It all comes down to some experimentation on your part, from the mouse sensitivity to key configuration.
Though for something as fast as Tribes, I'd still recommend setting it so you use the majority of your mousepad (or whatever surface you have it on), but it's different for everyone. Hell, I know someone who became accustomed to using a fucking trackball, exclusively for his FPS games, Tribes:Ascend included. Weird as fuck to think about, but it works for him somehow. Discover what's absolutely perfect for you and keep doing that. Go do that while I stop this post from getting any longer. :\ Back to lurking.
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