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On April 15 2011 23:17 Seiniyta wrote:
I'm more thinking the timer unlocks some kind of challenge a massive amount of people have to complete in order to unlock portal 2 earlier then it's initial launch date. That's what I get from seeing the text with the timer at least.
Yeah, I think that sounds logical. Would be hilarious if they pulled a TL-timer and extended it once it reaches 0.
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On April 15 2011 21:05 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:37 how2TL wrote:On April 15 2011 20:10 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 19:43 krbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 17:23 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 Fyodor wrote:On April 15 2011 06:18 maartendq wrote:On February 28 2011 08:34 Dankmids wrote:On February 28 2011 06:00 NicolBolas wrote:Portal 2 takes nothing away from hl2EP3 development, you can already see that EP3 will be on the improved engine portal 2 is on, also seperate teams I bet you also think that Ep3 was being developed for the last 3 years too. Please. Valve made two L4D games while working on Portal 2 and constantly throwing content to TF2. Valve is not a particularly large company. If they hadn't made Portal 2, the time, money, and people that would have gone into Portal 2's development could have gone into Ep3's development. We could have been getting Episode 3 right now, but we're not. We're getting Portal 2 instead, because Portal somehow out-ranks Half-Life for development resources. Even though HL is the only reason Valve exists. You have to remember, the voice actor for Breen died, no one knows outside of valve IF they needed him for ep3, maybe he had a big part in it and had to change a lot of the story of ep3 to do without him. EP3 was not in development the last three years, probably very little and has been worked on a lot more for at least a year now. But im a major valve die hard, i grew up on half life, so i dont care if ep3 isnt out for another year or two because it will be the last half life for a long long time. Breen died in HL2, so they don't need his voice actor anymore. Either way, if you listened to the commentary included in the first L4D you'd know that the L4D team is not the same team working on HL2: EP1/2/3 or TF2. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that it's taking them so long to finish EP3, and I'm kind of expecting them to already be working on HL3 instead. It's been five (or was it six?) years since EP1 came out, four years since EP2 came out and we've still got zero information on EP3. On Portal 2: I won't be buying it any time soon. The first game was fun, but it didn't really "waw" me. It was a good addition to the Orange Box, but I'd have never bought it outside of that package. I guess you're not that into revolutionary gaming experiences? Portal was by far the best game in the Orange Box. Team Fortress 2 was pretty fun but Portal was pure genius and deserves more respect. I don't see how Portal was or is revolutionary. It had zero influence on the development of games after it. It was a fun yet short puzzle game, but that was about it. TF2 was fun, but I played a lot of TFC back in the day so I got tired of that game pretty quickly too. I already owned HL2 and EP1 and finished those repeatedly. I basically bought the orange box for EP2, which I still play pretty often (best pacing in any game ever). That's how much of a HL2 fanatic I am. I'm one of those people who wants VALVE to stop making stuff like Portal, L4D or DOTA2 and focus all available resources on making EP3 even better (and three times longer) than EP2. The Half Life series that you are so fanatical about, is highly connected to Portal. It is amazing to me that you love the game so much and yet know very little about the greater story line. You should maybe look around a little bit and stop being so closed minded. There is plenty of information on the links between the two. 1. " Borealis": The Borealis is an Aperture Science research vessel introduced in Half-Life 2: Episode Two. According to Isaac Kleiner, Aperture was working on a promising project, but in their rush to beat Black Mesa for funding, they neglected ordinary safety rules and it appears that the ship simply disappeared with parts of her dry dock, which earned her an almost legendary stature. It is assumed that the Borealis contained an immensely powerful and dangerous secret. 2. Aperture Science(Portal) and Black Mesa(Half Life) continually fought for government contracts. 3. ....I wont list them all. Go look for your self as they are not hard to find. They are not wasting time on this useless "stuff", and I'd suggest you don't blabber on about things you know little-to-nothing about. I am fully aware of all these connections, having finished the original game and its episodes easily over 30 times. I prefer shooting bullets over shooting portals. It's kind of that simple. And some people really like Portal. And they're in this particular thread for some reason. And you're shitting on the game for a really bad reason. So go. How am I shitting on the game when the only two things I've said are that I don't find portal 1 a milestone of a game and that I'd rather have valve finish EP3 instead of working on their sideprojects?
Portal was a market shattering success at the cost of $20.
I see tips of the hat everywhere to this game. I know you're allowed your opinion, but what you've provided is not an opinion, it's actually a claim, because I can disprove it.
You can't just label baseless drivel as "an opinion" when it's not an "opinion". The people who do this are never sure of themselves, and are leaving the counter argument "it's just my opinion" as a fall-back open to themselves. The smarter dudes see right through it. Bummer.
You could I say, "I didn't like portal"... that's an opinion. But to say "Portal is not a milestone and did not help shape a market", is a claim, and a wrong claim at that.
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On April 15 2011 23:47 Rakanishu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 21:05 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 20:37 how2TL wrote:On April 15 2011 20:10 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 19:43 krbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 17:23 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 Fyodor wrote:On April 15 2011 06:18 maartendq wrote:On February 28 2011 08:34 Dankmids wrote:On February 28 2011 06:00 NicolBolas wrote:Portal 2 takes nothing away from hl2EP3 development, you can already see that EP3 will be on the improved engine portal 2 is on, also seperate teams I bet you also think that Ep3 was being developed for the last 3 years too. Please. Valve made two L4D games while working on Portal 2 and constantly throwing content to TF2. Valve is not a particularly large company. If they hadn't made Portal 2, the time, money, and people that would have gone into Portal 2's development could have gone into Ep3's development. We could have been getting Episode 3 right now, but we're not. We're getting Portal 2 instead, because Portal somehow out-ranks Half-Life for development resources. Even though HL is the only reason Valve exists. You have to remember, the voice actor for Breen died, no one knows outside of valve IF they needed him for ep3, maybe he had a big part in it and had to change a lot of the story of ep3 to do without him. EP3 was not in development the last three years, probably very little and has been worked on a lot more for at least a year now. But im a major valve die hard, i grew up on half life, so i dont care if ep3 isnt out for another year or two because it will be the last half life for a long long time. Breen died in HL2, so they don't need his voice actor anymore. Either way, if you listened to the commentary included in the first L4D you'd know that the L4D team is not the same team working on HL2: EP1/2/3 or TF2. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that it's taking them so long to finish EP3, and I'm kind of expecting them to already be working on HL3 instead. It's been five (or was it six?) years since EP1 came out, four years since EP2 came out and we've still got zero information on EP3. On Portal 2: I won't be buying it any time soon. The first game was fun, but it didn't really "waw" me. It was a good addition to the Orange Box, but I'd have never bought it outside of that package. I guess you're not that into revolutionary gaming experiences? Portal was by far the best game in the Orange Box. Team Fortress 2 was pretty fun but Portal was pure genius and deserves more respect. I don't see how Portal was or is revolutionary. It had zero influence on the development of games after it. It was a fun yet short puzzle game, but that was about it. TF2 was fun, but I played a lot of TFC back in the day so I got tired of that game pretty quickly too. I already owned HL2 and EP1 and finished those repeatedly. I basically bought the orange box for EP2, which I still play pretty often (best pacing in any game ever). That's how much of a HL2 fanatic I am. I'm one of those people who wants VALVE to stop making stuff like Portal, L4D or DOTA2 and focus all available resources on making EP3 even better (and three times longer) than EP2. The Half Life series that you are so fanatical about, is highly connected to Portal. It is amazing to me that you love the game so much and yet know very little about the greater story line. You should maybe look around a little bit and stop being so closed minded. There is plenty of information on the links between the two. 1. " Borealis": The Borealis is an Aperture Science research vessel introduced in Half-Life 2: Episode Two. According to Isaac Kleiner, Aperture was working on a promising project, but in their rush to beat Black Mesa for funding, they neglected ordinary safety rules and it appears that the ship simply disappeared with parts of her dry dock, which earned her an almost legendary stature. It is assumed that the Borealis contained an immensely powerful and dangerous secret. 2. Aperture Science(Portal) and Black Mesa(Half Life) continually fought for government contracts. 3. ....I wont list them all. Go look for your self as they are not hard to find. They are not wasting time on this useless "stuff", and I'd suggest you don't blabber on about things you know little-to-nothing about. I am fully aware of all these connections, having finished the original game and its episodes easily over 30 times. I prefer shooting bullets over shooting portals. It's kind of that simple. And some people really like Portal. And they're in this particular thread for some reason. And you're shitting on the game for a really bad reason. So go. How am I shitting on the game when the only two things I've said are that I don't find portal 1 a milestone of a game and that I'd rather have valve finish EP3 instead of working on their sideprojects? Portal was a market shattering success at the cost of $20. I see tips of the hat everywhere to this game. I know you're allowed your opinion, but what you've provided is not an opinion, it's actually a claim, because I can disprove it. You can't just label baseless drivel as "an opinion" when it's not an "opinion". The people who do this are never sure of themselves, and are leaving the counter argument "it's just my opinion" as a fall-back open to themselves. The smarter dudes see right through it. Bummer. You could I say, "I didn't like portal"... that's an opinion. But to say "Portal is not a milestone and did not help shape a market", is a claim, and a wrong claim at that.
I'd take portal over half life anyday, half life is just another fps single player adventure, much like playing halo or call of duty storys, but portal was an original and groundbreaking game (original since narbacular drop was a) free and b) made by the same team)
in this multiplayer day and age, half-life three cant live up to expectations, while portal 2 can
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47 minutes ... i hope for their sake they release today! 
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On April 16 2011 00:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
half life is just another fps single player adventure, much like playing halo or call of duty storys
Is this a troll, I don't even know anymore
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On April 16 2011 00:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:47 Rakanishu2 wrote:On April 15 2011 21:05 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 20:37 how2TL wrote:On April 15 2011 20:10 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 19:43 krbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 17:23 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 Fyodor wrote:On April 15 2011 06:18 maartendq wrote:On February 28 2011 08:34 Dankmids wrote:On February 28 2011 06:00 NicolBolas wrote:Portal 2 takes nothing away from hl2EP3 development, you can already see that EP3 will be on the improved engine portal 2 is on, also seperate teams I bet you also think that Ep3 was being developed for the last 3 years too. Please. Valve made two L4D games while working on Portal 2 and constantly throwing content to TF2. Valve is not a particularly large company. If they hadn't made Portal 2, the time, money, and people that would have gone into Portal 2's development could have gone into Ep3's development. We could have been getting Episode 3 right now, but we're not. We're getting Portal 2 instead, because Portal somehow out-ranks Half-Life for development resources. Even though HL is the only reason Valve exists. You have to remember, the voice actor for Breen died, no one knows outside of valve IF they needed him for ep3, maybe he had a big part in it and had to change a lot of the story of ep3 to do without him. EP3 was not in development the last three years, probably very little and has been worked on a lot more for at least a year now. But im a major valve die hard, i grew up on half life, so i dont care if ep3 isnt out for another year or two because it will be the last half life for a long long time. Breen died in HL2, so they don't need his voice actor anymore. Either way, if you listened to the commentary included in the first L4D you'd know that the L4D team is not the same team working on HL2: EP1/2/3 or TF2. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that it's taking them so long to finish EP3, and I'm kind of expecting them to already be working on HL3 instead. It's been five (or was it six?) years since EP1 came out, four years since EP2 came out and we've still got zero information on EP3. On Portal 2: I won't be buying it any time soon. The first game was fun, but it didn't really "waw" me. It was a good addition to the Orange Box, but I'd have never bought it outside of that package. I guess you're not that into revolutionary gaming experiences? Portal was by far the best game in the Orange Box. Team Fortress 2 was pretty fun but Portal was pure genius and deserves more respect. I don't see how Portal was or is revolutionary. It had zero influence on the development of games after it. It was a fun yet short puzzle game, but that was about it. TF2 was fun, but I played a lot of TFC back in the day so I got tired of that game pretty quickly too. I already owned HL2 and EP1 and finished those repeatedly. I basically bought the orange box for EP2, which I still play pretty often (best pacing in any game ever). That's how much of a HL2 fanatic I am. I'm one of those people who wants VALVE to stop making stuff like Portal, L4D or DOTA2 and focus all available resources on making EP3 even better (and three times longer) than EP2. The Half Life series that you are so fanatical about, is highly connected to Portal. It is amazing to me that you love the game so much and yet know very little about the greater story line. You should maybe look around a little bit and stop being so closed minded. There is plenty of information on the links between the two. 1. " Borealis": The Borealis is an Aperture Science research vessel introduced in Half-Life 2: Episode Two. According to Isaac Kleiner, Aperture was working on a promising project, but in their rush to beat Black Mesa for funding, they neglected ordinary safety rules and it appears that the ship simply disappeared with parts of her dry dock, which earned her an almost legendary stature. It is assumed that the Borealis contained an immensely powerful and dangerous secret. 2. Aperture Science(Portal) and Black Mesa(Half Life) continually fought for government contracts. 3. ....I wont list them all. Go look for your self as they are not hard to find. They are not wasting time on this useless "stuff", and I'd suggest you don't blabber on about things you know little-to-nothing about. I am fully aware of all these connections, having finished the original game and its episodes easily over 30 times. I prefer shooting bullets over shooting portals. It's kind of that simple. And some people really like Portal. And they're in this particular thread for some reason. And you're shitting on the game for a really bad reason. So go. How am I shitting on the game when the only two things I've said are that I don't find portal 1 a milestone of a game and that I'd rather have valve finish EP3 instead of working on their sideprojects? Portal was a market shattering success at the cost of $20. I see tips of the hat everywhere to this game. I know you're allowed your opinion, but what you've provided is not an opinion, it's actually a claim, because I can disprove it. You can't just label baseless drivel as "an opinion" when it's not an "opinion". The people who do this are never sure of themselves, and are leaving the counter argument "it's just my opinion" as a fall-back open to themselves. The smarter dudes see right through it. Bummer. You could I say, "I didn't like portal"... that's an opinion. But to say "Portal is not a milestone and did not help shape a market", is a claim, and a wrong claim at that. I'd take portal over half life anyday, half life is just another fps single player adventure, much like playing halo or call of duty storys, but portal was an original and groundbreaking game (original since narbacular drop was a) free and b) made by the same team) in this multiplayer day and age, half-life three cant live up to expectations, while portal 2 can
Are you kidding me. Half-life was absolutely groundbreaking. Half-life is one of the milestones of FPS.
Terrible discussions in this thread; people throwing around baseless opinions. Let's keep it about Portal 2, yeah?
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Well, since we're on the subject, I've always thought half life was extremely overrated.
Never loved it myself, really.
More for those single player lovers.
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On April 16 2011 00:20 epik640x wrote:
Well, since we're on the subject, I've always thought half life was extremely overrated.
Never loved it myself, really.
More for those single player lovers.
This opinion is acceptable, as it's not comparing Half-life to the single player campaigns in Halo of Call of Duty.
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On April 15 2011 23:47 Rakanishu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 21:05 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 20:37 how2TL wrote:On April 15 2011 20:10 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 19:43 krbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 17:23 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 Fyodor wrote:On April 15 2011 06:18 maartendq wrote:On February 28 2011 08:34 Dankmids wrote:On February 28 2011 06:00 NicolBolas wrote:Portal 2 takes nothing away from hl2EP3 development, you can already see that EP3 will be on the improved engine portal 2 is on, also seperate teams I bet you also think that Ep3 was being developed for the last 3 years too. Please. Valve made two L4D games while working on Portal 2 and constantly throwing content to TF2. Valve is not a particularly large company. If they hadn't made Portal 2, the time, money, and people that would have gone into Portal 2's development could have gone into Ep3's development. We could have been getting Episode 3 right now, but we're not. We're getting Portal 2 instead, because Portal somehow out-ranks Half-Life for development resources. Even though HL is the only reason Valve exists. You have to remember, the voice actor for Breen died, no one knows outside of valve IF they needed him for ep3, maybe he had a big part in it and had to change a lot of the story of ep3 to do without him. EP3 was not in development the last three years, probably very little and has been worked on a lot more for at least a year now. But im a major valve die hard, i grew up on half life, so i dont care if ep3 isnt out for another year or two because it will be the last half life for a long long time. Breen died in HL2, so they don't need his voice actor anymore. Either way, if you listened to the commentary included in the first L4D you'd know that the L4D team is not the same team working on HL2: EP1/2/3 or TF2. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that it's taking them so long to finish EP3, and I'm kind of expecting them to already be working on HL3 instead. It's been five (or was it six?) years since EP1 came out, four years since EP2 came out and we've still got zero information on EP3. On Portal 2: I won't be buying it any time soon. The first game was fun, but it didn't really "waw" me. It was a good addition to the Orange Box, but I'd have never bought it outside of that package. I guess you're not that into revolutionary gaming experiences? Portal was by far the best game in the Orange Box. Team Fortress 2 was pretty fun but Portal was pure genius and deserves more respect. I don't see how Portal was or is revolutionary. It had zero influence on the development of games after it. It was a fun yet short puzzle game, but that was about it. TF2 was fun, but I played a lot of TFC back in the day so I got tired of that game pretty quickly too. I already owned HL2 and EP1 and finished those repeatedly. I basically bought the orange box for EP2, which I still play pretty often (best pacing in any game ever). That's how much of a HL2 fanatic I am. I'm one of those people who wants VALVE to stop making stuff like Portal, L4D or DOTA2 and focus all available resources on making EP3 even better (and three times longer) than EP2. The Half Life series that you are so fanatical about, is highly connected to Portal. It is amazing to me that you love the game so much and yet know very little about the greater story line. You should maybe look around a little bit and stop being so closed minded. There is plenty of information on the links between the two. 1. " Borealis": The Borealis is an Aperture Science research vessel introduced in Half-Life 2: Episode Two. According to Isaac Kleiner, Aperture was working on a promising project, but in their rush to beat Black Mesa for funding, they neglected ordinary safety rules and it appears that the ship simply disappeared with parts of her dry dock, which earned her an almost legendary stature. It is assumed that the Borealis contained an immensely powerful and dangerous secret. 2. Aperture Science(Portal) and Black Mesa(Half Life) continually fought for government contracts. 3. ....I wont list them all. Go look for your self as they are not hard to find. They are not wasting time on this useless "stuff", and I'd suggest you don't blabber on about things you know little-to-nothing about. I am fully aware of all these connections, having finished the original game and its episodes easily over 30 times. I prefer shooting bullets over shooting portals. It's kind of that simple. And some people really like Portal. And they're in this particular thread for some reason. And you're shitting on the game for a really bad reason. So go. How am I shitting on the game when the only two things I've said are that I don't find portal 1 a milestone of a game and that I'd rather have valve finish EP3 instead of working on their sideprojects? Portal was a market shattering success at the cost of $20. I see tips of the hat everywhere to this game. I know you're allowed your opinion, but what you've provided is not an opinion, it's actually a claim, because I can disprove it. You can't just label baseless drivel as "an opinion" when it's not an "opinion". The people who do this are never sure of themselves, and are leaving the counter argument "it's just my opinion" as a fall-back open to themselves. The smarter dudes see right through it. Bummer. You could I say, "I didn't like portal"... that's an opinion. But to say "Portal is not a milestone and did not help shape a market", is a claim, and a wrong claim at that.
Let me put it clearly: which mechanics did portal introduce to the world of gaming that other developers embraced and started using themselves? That's right: none. Hence why Portal is not a revolutionary game. Revolutions change things in the bigger picture. If there suddenly was a surge in the market of first person puzzle games I'd say yes, portal did something revolutionary and created a market, but it didn't. The only thing portal created was the path to Portal 2. A franchise does not equal a market. A market consists of multiple players competing for the hard-earned cash of the consumer. At the moment, however, only Valve creates first person puzzle games. There is literally no competition.
Portal is a fun game relying on fun portal mechanics, but it didn't break any sale records. It sold enough for Valve to give the green light for a successor, but I hardly call that market-shattering. If you want market-shattering, look at the Call of Duty series or World of Warcraft, franchises that literally sell millions upon millions of copies at launch.
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On April 16 2011 00:24 maartendq wrote:
Let me put it clearly: which mechanics did portal introduce to the world of gaming that other developers embraced and started using themselves? That's right: none. Hence why Portal is not a revolutionary game. Revolutions change things in the bigger picture. If there suddenly was a surge in the market of first person puzzle games I'd say yes, portal did something revolutionary and created a market, but it didn't. The only thing portal created was the path to Portal 2. A franchise does not equal a market. A market consists of multiple players competing for the hard-earned cash of the consumer. At the moment, however, only Valve creates first person puzzle games. There is literally no competition.
Do you really have the impression that the video game industry is a "normal" open market? You can't be that naive, right?
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A game does not have to introduce new mechanics to be revolutionary. Anything created today was surely done before in some way. But it showed the community different ways of narrative and player immersion, and it showed that a game that focused a bit more on these could also be successful.
You can say that no one is using anything Portal did, but it hasn't really been that long since it was released. None of the big game developers are going to abandon their big titles to try something new when they are full steam ahead on the easy profit train.
Another thing, just because a game sells "millions upon million" of copies doesn't actually mean it's good, it's a correlation.
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On April 16 2011 00:24 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:47 Rakanishu2 wrote:On April 15 2011 21:05 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 20:37 how2TL wrote:On April 15 2011 20:10 maartendq wrote:On April 15 2011 19:43 krbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 17:23 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 Fyodor wrote:On April 15 2011 06:18 maartendq wrote:On February 28 2011 08:34 Dankmids wrote:On February 28 2011 06:00 NicolBolas wrote:Portal 2 takes nothing away from hl2EP3 development, you can already see that EP3 will be on the improved engine portal 2 is on, also seperate teams I bet you also think that Ep3 was being developed for the last 3 years too. Please. Valve made two L4D games while working on Portal 2 and constantly throwing content to TF2. Valve is not a particularly large company. If they hadn't made Portal 2, the time, money, and people that would have gone into Portal 2's development could have gone into Ep3's development. We could have been getting Episode 3 right now, but we're not. We're getting Portal 2 instead, because Portal somehow out-ranks Half-Life for development resources. Even though HL is the only reason Valve exists. You have to remember, the voice actor for Breen died, no one knows outside of valve IF they needed him for ep3, maybe he had a big part in it and had to change a lot of the story of ep3 to do without him. EP3 was not in development the last three years, probably very little and has been worked on a lot more for at least a year now. But im a major valve die hard, i grew up on half life, so i dont care if ep3 isnt out for another year or two because it will be the last half life for a long long time. Breen died in HL2, so they don't need his voice actor anymore. Either way, if you listened to the commentary included in the first L4D you'd know that the L4D team is not the same team working on HL2: EP1/2/3 or TF2. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed that it's taking them so long to finish EP3, and I'm kind of expecting them to already be working on HL3 instead. It's been five (or was it six?) years since EP1 came out, four years since EP2 came out and we've still got zero information on EP3. On Portal 2: I won't be buying it any time soon. The first game was fun, but it didn't really "waw" me. It was a good addition to the Orange Box, but I'd have never bought it outside of that package. I guess you're not that into revolutionary gaming experiences? Portal was by far the best game in the Orange Box. Team Fortress 2 was pretty fun but Portal was pure genius and deserves more respect. I don't see how Portal was or is revolutionary. It had zero influence on the development of games after it. It was a fun yet short puzzle game, but that was about it. TF2 was fun, but I played a lot of TFC back in the day so I got tired of that game pretty quickly too. I already owned HL2 and EP1 and finished those repeatedly. I basically bought the orange box for EP2, which I still play pretty often (best pacing in any game ever). That's how much of a HL2 fanatic I am. I'm one of those people who wants VALVE to stop making stuff like Portal, L4D or DOTA2 and focus all available resources on making EP3 even better (and three times longer) than EP2. The Half Life series that you are so fanatical about, is highly connected to Portal. It is amazing to me that you love the game so much and yet know very little about the greater story line. You should maybe look around a little bit and stop being so closed minded. There is plenty of information on the links between the two. 1. " Borealis": The Borealis is an Aperture Science research vessel introduced in Half-Life 2: Episode Two. According to Isaac Kleiner, Aperture was working on a promising project, but in their rush to beat Black Mesa for funding, they neglected ordinary safety rules and it appears that the ship simply disappeared with parts of her dry dock, which earned her an almost legendary stature. It is assumed that the Borealis contained an immensely powerful and dangerous secret. 2. Aperture Science(Portal) and Black Mesa(Half Life) continually fought for government contracts. 3. ....I wont list them all. Go look for your self as they are not hard to find. They are not wasting time on this useless "stuff", and I'd suggest you don't blabber on about things you know little-to-nothing about. I am fully aware of all these connections, having finished the original game and its episodes easily over 30 times. I prefer shooting bullets over shooting portals. It's kind of that simple. And some people really like Portal. And they're in this particular thread for some reason. And you're shitting on the game for a really bad reason. So go. How am I shitting on the game when the only two things I've said are that I don't find portal 1 a milestone of a game and that I'd rather have valve finish EP3 instead of working on their sideprojects? Portal was a market shattering success at the cost of $20. I see tips of the hat everywhere to this game. I know you're allowed your opinion, but what you've provided is not an opinion, it's actually a claim, because I can disprove it. You can't just label baseless drivel as "an opinion" when it's not an "opinion". The people who do this are never sure of themselves, and are leaving the counter argument "it's just my opinion" as a fall-back open to themselves. The smarter dudes see right through it. Bummer. You could I say, "I didn't like portal"... that's an opinion. But to say "Portal is not a milestone and did not help shape a market", is a claim, and a wrong claim at that. Let me put it clearly: which mechanics did portal introduce to the world of gaming that other developers embraced and started using themselves? That's right: none. Hence why Portal is not a revolutionary game. Revolutions change things in the bigger picture. If there suddenly was a surge in the market of first person puzzle games I'd say yes, portal did something revolutionary and created a market, but it didn't. The only thing portal created was the path to Portal 2. A franchise does not equal a market. A market consists of multiple players competing for the hard-earned cash of the consumer. At the moment, however, only Valve creates first person puzzle games. There is literally no competition. Portal is a fun game relying on fun portal mechanics, but it didn't break any sale records. It sold enough for Valve to give the green light for a successor, but I hardly call that market-shattering. If you want market-shattering, look at the Call of Duty series or World of Warcraft, franchises that literally sell millions upon millions of copies at launch.
The important aspects of Portal have more to do with game design and game storytelling than the fact that they use portals. Portal was a masterpiece of game design and is something all other games should borrow heavily from. The actual game mechanic of Portals is pretty incidental to that (other than being a complex mechanic that gave Valve lots of room to show how awesome they are at game design). Other developers haven't adopted Valve's lessons, but that's why other games are typically not as good as Valve's.
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Are you kidding me. Half-life was absolutely groundbreaking. Half-life is one of the milestones of FPS.
Terrible discussions in this thread; people throwing around baseless opinions. Let's keep it about Portal 2, yeah?
HL1 is still the best single player FPS ever made imo. I don't think any other single player FPS (except maybe Deus Exs) has come close, including HL2.
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Personally, I rate Metroid Prime 1 higher then Half-life 2 as my issue with Half-life 2 (which is still a good game) where the really annoying loading times, the rather shallow puzzles (simplistic physics based puzzles). I did like the game's storytelling.
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On April 16 2011 00:42 Seiniyta wrote:
Personally, I rate Metroid Prime 1 higher then Half-life 2 as my issue with Half-life 2 (which is still a good game) where the really annoying loading times, the rather shallow puzzles (simplistic physics based puzzles). I did like the game's storytelling.
That's my issue with HL2 as well. The shooting was also kind of inferior as a lot of enemies were somewhat gimmicky or more limited in number and you spent more time hitting them with gravity gun objects than shooting. Plus the machine gun felt weaker and more skewed towards reloading often than shooting often. I loved planning out exactly how I wanted to clear a room of marine in HL1 because you had tons of options and ways to do so and generally did it in larger more free flowing areas. Also with the rapidly changing locations I never really felt as immersed in the setting as being in Black Mesa for the entire duration of HL1. It's kinda like Portal where the facility itself was almost a character in the story. The enemies were also just overall more interesting and had more interesting interactions (bullsquids eating headcrabs, marines vs the big brute guys, the tentacle monster that could only hear you, the gigantic guy you had to run from and lure into traps, the scary as hell fish monster, the cool ai and behavior of hound eyes. Oh and of course the invisible ninja assassins. Hl1 also had a cool alternation between sections where you had to conserve ammo and sections where ammo was plentiful, but so were the enemies.
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Pre-ordered, pre-loaded, just waiting. And wating...
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On April 16 2011 00:22 Body_Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 00:20 epik640x wrote:
Well, since we're on the subject, I've always thought half life was extremely overrated.
Never loved it myself, really.
More for those single player lovers. This opinion is acceptable, as it's not comparing Half-life to the single player campaigns in Halo of Call of Duty.
Half-life 1 and 2, primarily single player, remain played mostly in peoples minds over the years as flaws increasing get overlooked and slowly fade into memory, and continue to rack up competition like crysis
Portal accidentally got popular off the orange box, through mechanics previously unexplored in the large scale commercial market, and continues to have no large scale competition
Portal 2 now fulfills what continues to be a (significant) portion of the market, and would require much less polish to significant outshine all the other market games than the creation of a third half-life.
Realistically, valve should take as long as it possibly can to release the next half-life, because its going to need the extra development time
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bought the game yesterday, amazing so far
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On April 16 2011 00:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 00:22 Body_Shield wrote:On April 16 2011 00:20 epik640x wrote:
Well, since we're on the subject, I've always thought half life was extremely overrated.
Never loved it myself, really.
More for those single player lovers. This opinion is acceptable, as it's not comparing Half-life to the single player campaigns in Halo of Call of Duty. Half-life 1 and 2, primarily single player, remain played mostly in peoples minds over the years as flaws increasing get overlooked and slowly fade into memory, and continue to rack up competition like crysis Portal accidentally got popular off the orange box, through mechanics previously unexplored in the large scale commercial market, and continues to have no large scale competition Portal 2 now fulfills what continues to be a (significant) portion of the market, and would require much less polish to significant outshine all the other market games than the creation of a third half-life. Realistically, valve should take as long as it possibly can to release the next half-life, because its going to need the extra development time
Nah the flaws aren't really overlooked for HL1, you can still go back and play it and highly enjoy it. There's a few minor issues (AI occasionally blunders, the friendly AI is bad/annoying, the physics are annoying, and the game looks dated) and 2 big ones (On a Rail and Xen), but the game still is amazing.
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On April 16 2011 00:52 rootmvp wrote:
bought the game yesterday, amazing so far
Are you playing it already? o_o
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Is it going to be Portal 2 or another thing to solve for some obscure reason ? :D
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