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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
October 11 2011 21:53 GMT
#341
Just stopped after I beat the Demon Tarus thing on the bridge. Pretty sick game. Much better polished than Demon Souls!
CoffeeJelly
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada53 Posts
October 11 2011 21:53 GMT
#342
Once you get the lord vessel, you can go through the yellow fog.
Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
October 11 2011 22:10 GMT
#343
looks like my new cleric can THROW SOME FUCKIN' LIGHTNING!

That's what I'm talkin' bout
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
October 11 2011 22:20 GMT
#344
Finally found my way through Blighttown, killed the boss then went and killed Ceaseless Discharge and joined the Covenant in that area. Tried to get through some of the Demon Ruins area, but I didn't feel like dealing with another Capra Demon minus the dogs. Did some exploring and found the shortcut between Firelink/Valley of Drakes/Blighttown and killed the undead looking dragon.

Some recommendations if you're reading this and haven't gotten this far: Grab the armor off the altar at the far end of Ceaseless Discharge's room, and the dragon shouldn't be tough at all if you got the Shadow armor in Blighttown (the armor with +poison resist). The dragon is guarding a weapon that I heard can perma-kill some resurrecting skeletons later in the game.

Finally upgraded my sword (Drake Sword +2 now) and my shield.

Any complaint I had about this game's open world not being as good as the first game's hub world system are gone at this point. The sense of scale is really incredible, and the levels still feel completely separate, but with some neat shortcuts that make them all interconnected.

Started Sen's Fortress and got down to the part where the floor appears to be made of tar or something. I killed one of those big headless things below the blacksmith on the way to the forest way back before I even killed Capra and thought it was a one-off miniboss. Apparently not. I saw at least 4 of those down there. Fml.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
October 11 2011 22:29 GMT
#345
I never played Demons' souls, but from reading a few pages of this post, I'm intrigued. I really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden for the XBox because of how difficult it was and how precise you had to be with your combat at the higher difficulties. I also love the aspect of new game+ with scaling difficulty (like jade empire's jade master mode)

My question would be, how hard is it actually? I ask because these kinds of games have gotten beyond simple for people willing to create an optimal build, and I'm wondering if the claims of difficulty come from this newer gaming generation.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
October 11 2011 22:36 GMT
#346
On October 12 2011 07:29 Shiladie wrote:
I never played Demons' souls, but from reading a few pages of this post, I'm intrigued. I really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden for the XBox because of how difficult it was and how precise you had to be with your combat at the higher difficulties. I also love the aspect of new game+ with scaling difficulty (like jade empire's jade master mode)

My question would be, how hard is it actually? I ask because these kinds of games have gotten beyond simple for people willing to create an optimal build, and I'm wondering if the claims of difficulty come from this newer gaming generation.


The first time through your build isn't going to make you OP ever. Sure the drake sword is good in the beginning, but it doesn't turn you into god. Same with the lightning spear late game, it's still difficult. If you liked Ninja gaiden you'll like this. The weapons simply dont scale well enough for someone who boosts lets say one stat to become OP.
ydeer93
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
October 11 2011 23:23 GMT
#347
ok i have a question, can people please quote me so when i look i know you replyed to me :D , well here it is, i started this game got passed the first like mini boss at the start and died a lil after going up after that so im not experienced, but i was wondering about the pvp in dark souls, i seen a couple videos and i see people in white and red and blue and was confused to what was going on all i saw was something about a forest covenant, so i was wondering if someone could explain the whole pvp side to me , i would be really thankful, i was wondering can u get invaded whenever /whereever u are in the story? and also can loads of people just invade u together at any time, and can u invite friends to help? or if you get invaded by multiple are you screwed if you know no-one else who plays?.

alot of what i said probably sounds stupid, sorry if bad english but im tired and i never type in proper grammar
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
October 11 2011 23:25 GMT
#348
On October 12 2011 07:29 Shiladie wrote:
I never played Demons' souls, but from reading a few pages of this post, I'm intrigued. I really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden for the XBox because of how difficult it was and how precise you had to be with your combat at the higher difficulties. I also love the aspect of new game+ with scaling difficulty (like jade empire's jade master mode)

My question would be, how hard is it actually? I ask because these kinds of games have gotten beyond simple for people willing to create an optimal build, and I'm wondering if the claims of difficulty come from this newer gaming generation.


Ive beaten ninja gaiden and ng2 on master ninja. This game is at least on the same level difficulty wise the first time through. Of course unlike ng you dont depend as much on skill and a lot of the difficulty comes from going in blind. If you were to plan out an optimal route and look up boss strats ahead of time it would make it a lot easier. So I would suggest going at it without doing that. Im about halfway through the game and so far Ive died a similar amount as going through master ninja. The games are similar in the way that you have to do a lot of trial and error and dying to get through sections from one save to another.
Acechi
Profile Joined December 2009
United States50 Posts
October 12 2011 01:08 GMT
#349
On October 12 2011 08:23 ydeer93 wrote:
ok i have a question, can people please quote me so when i look i know you replyed to me :D , well here it is, i started this game got passed the first like mini boss at the start and died a lil after going up after that so im not experienced, but i was wondering about the pvp in dark souls, i seen a couple videos and i see people in white and red and blue and was confused to what was going on all i saw was something about a forest covenant, so i was wondering if someone could explain the whole pvp side to me , i would be really thankful, i was wondering can u get invaded whenever /whereever u are in the story? and also can loads of people just invade u together at any time, and can u invite friends to help? or if you get invaded by multiple are you screwed if you know no-one else who plays?.

alot of what i said probably sounds stupid, sorry if bad english but im tired and i never type in proper grammar


PVP in Dark Souls is straightforward. That's because PVP can happen almost anywhere, anytime.

The conditions for basic PVP are simple. Both Invader and Defender have to be in human form (Reverse Hollowed). The Invader then uses an item called a "Cracked Red Orb" to initiate an invasion. Once started, the server picks a random human player for you to invade.

So why invade then when we can all just be friends? One is that when you invade, you can take someone else's humanity and souls. Humanity determines drop rate. The more, the better chances of drops occurring. The second reason is that it is just for plain fun and pain for others as well. The Defender can choose to summon 2 other companions as allied phantoms, by invoking their summon signs. To place a summon sign, you must use the White Soapstone and place the summon sign on the ground. If the Defender wins the Invasion, the Defender and allies split the humanity and souls from the Invader.


There are other ways for you to initiate PVP. As you mentioned, another option is going through the forest covenant scenario, but I'll leave you to figure that one out. I don't want to waste you learning experience. Have fun!
All in all the time
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
October 12 2011 02:48 GMT
#350
Where do I get lord vessel, please?
I <3 Plexa.
CoffeeJelly
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 02:55:27
October 12 2011 02:51 GMT
#351
On October 12 2011 11:48 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Where do I get lord vessel, please?


Defeat Ornstein & Smough in Anor Londo and enter the princess's chamber afterward - you don't have to join her covenant.

Edit: The chamber is just on the second floor of where you fight Ornstein & Smough, just talk to her and you'll get it.
Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
October 12 2011 04:28 GMT
#352
Drake Sword was great and all early game but how can people use it mid-late game? The first upgrade was only +20 damage, do subsequent upgrades give more than that? The sword doesn't scale with stats so I find it to be pretty bad past the early half of the game...

I was fortunate enough to find the Black Knight Sword which scales C STR and D or E DEX which nets me easily 300 base damage.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 05:54:23
October 12 2011 05:10 GMT
#353
So this has bugged me forever.

When you enter Darkwood Garden, below the smith, you run along the path that is basically a cliff in the mid section; The path with 4 bush mobs, before reaching the bonfire beside the seal gate. On your immediate left side of the screen, the other side of the cliff, there is a dead body lying with loot. How the eff do you get there?!
靈魂交響曲
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
October 12 2011 05:34 GMT
#354
On October 12 2011 14:10 Fishball wrote:
So this has bugged me forever.

When you enter Darkwood Garden, below the smith, you run along the path that is basically a cliff in the mid section; The path with 4 bush mobs, before hitting reaching the bonfire beside the seal gate. On your immediate left side of the screen, the other side of the cliff, there is a dead body lying with loot. How the eff do you get there?!


Look around there carefully, friend, and you may find out :-) I always wondered that, then one day just stumbled across the answer and nearly shat myself. Go wander around some more before someone tells you the answer, it's worth it :-p If you can't find it me / someone will post later I'm sure.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 12 2011 05:53 GMT
#355
On October 12 2011 14:34 dormer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 14:10 Fishball wrote:
So this has bugged me forever.

When you enter Darkwood Garden, below the smith, you run along the path that is basically a cliff in the mid section; The path with 4 bush mobs, before hitting reaching the bonfire beside the seal gate. On your immediate left side of the screen, the other side of the cliff, there is a dead body lying with loot. How the eff do you get there?!


Look around there carefully, friend, and you may find out :-) I always wondered that, then one day just stumbled across the answer and nearly shat myself. Go wander around some more before someone tells you the answer, it's worth it :-p If you can't find it me / someone will post later I'm sure.


lol, I'm just irritated at this point *cough*.
I walk by that place to farm every day, and I see that stupid shiny !@#$ on the other side every day.
I'm level 98 now with 90 Intelligence. Only 9 more to go! Bed time
靈魂交響曲
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 07:27:37
October 12 2011 07:17 GMT
#356
I farmed souls for 7 hours straight then went on to release my pent-up rage and absolutely BUTCHER the four kings.

Is dark hand a good shield? Only shows stats as an attack.
I <3 Plexa.
CoffeeJelly
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 09:17:37
October 12 2011 09:12 GMT
#357
On October 12 2011 14:53 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 14:34 dormer wrote:
On October 12 2011 14:10 Fishball wrote:
So this has bugged me forever.

When you enter Darkwood Garden, below the smith, you run along the path that is basically a cliff in the mid section; The path with 4 bush mobs, before hitting reaching the bonfire beside the seal gate. On your immediate left side of the screen, the other side of the cliff, there is a dead body lying with loot. How the eff do you get there?!


Look around there carefully, friend, and you may find out :-) I always wondered that, then one day just stumbled across the answer and nearly shat myself. Go wander around some more before someone tells you the answer, it's worth it :-p If you can't find it me / someone will post later I'm sure.


lol, I'm just irritated at this point *cough*.
I walk by that place to farm every day, and I see that stupid shiny !@#$ on the other side every day.
I'm level 98 now with 90 Intelligence. Only 9 more to go! Bed time


You should explore the game more. The first play through should be around SL 60... 98 seems overkill. Even around 58, I was two shotting everything with +5 black knight sword.

If you really want to know how to get there
+ Show Spoiler +
Go to the path towards moonlight butterfly. Right when you reach the open area, look to your right and see a tree you can attack to reveal a hidden path and from there, its just killing everything and going foward. You'll see the treasure at the end.

It's the wolf ring which is very useful in situation where you cannot afford to get staggered.


@Kamais_Ookin: The dark hand can be used as a weapon or shield. If you use the R2, it unleash a special attack which "drains" the soul of the enemy. Shield quality wise, it reduces every damage source by 80% so it's useful as an all purpose elemental shield.

I found it more useful as a shield than weapon, though, it might be more useful in PvP.
Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
Scheefe
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 10:38:40
October 12 2011 10:38 GMT
#358
I have a few more questions to ask.

How does Dark Souls direct you in the correct path to complete the game? I know there are no quests in the game and that its a very open world.
So let say you exit the starting area do you just free roam area's? If so are there certain area's where the enemys will be a much higher level then you?

Thanks to anyone who answers.
Your hero is standing at a bad posistion and deserved to die.
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
October 12 2011 11:25 GMT
#359
Jump off the cliff next to it. derp
Wishing you well.
ydeer93
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
October 12 2011 11:35 GMT
#360
On October 12 2011 10:08 Acechi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 08:23 ydeer93 wrote:
ok i have a question, can people please quote me so when i look i know you replyed to me :D , well here it is, i started this game got passed the first like mini boss at the start and died a lil after going up after that so im not experienced, but i was wondering about the pvp in dark souls, i seen a couple videos and i see people in white and red and blue and was confused to what was going on all i saw was something about a forest covenant, so i was wondering if someone could explain the whole pvp side to me , i would be really thankful, i was wondering can u get invaded whenever /whereever u are in the story? and also can loads of people just invade u together at any time, and can u invite friends to help? or if you get invaded by multiple are you screwed if you know no-one else who plays?.

alot of what i said probably sounds stupid, sorry if bad english but im tired and i never type in proper grammar


PVP in Dark Souls is straightforward. That's because PVP can happen almost anywhere, anytime.

The conditions for basic PVP are simple. Both Invader and Defender have to be in human form (Reverse Hollowed). The Invader then uses an item called a "Cracked Red Orb" to initiate an invasion. Once started, the server picks a random human player for you to invade.

So why invade then when we can all just be friends? One is that when you invade, you can take someone else's humanity and souls. Humanity determines drop rate. The more, the better chances of drops occurring. The second reason is that it is just for plain fun and pain for others as well. The Defender can choose to summon 2 other companions as allied phantoms, by invoking their summon signs. To place a summon sign, you must use the White Soapstone and place the summon sign on the ground. If the Defender wins the Invasion, the Defender and allies split the humanity and souls from the Invader.


There are other ways for you to initiate PVP. As you mentioned, another option is going through the forest covenant scenario, but I'll leave you to figure that one out. I don't want to waste you learning experience. Have fun!


So when attacking you can just summon phantoms to help, are these phantoms Ai or real players? and is there any areas where there is like bigger pvp , where you might see like 5+ real people fighting
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