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On March 09 2012 13:56 Thingdo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:57 khersai wrote:Bioware quality lol + Show Spoiler +stumbled upon while browsing reddit, some of the comments are comedy gold as a male adult with mildly refined taste I feel straight up insulted Wow. Makes me sad to see Bioware sink that low. I always felt that their best part of Mass effect was the good writing and voice acting, but that was just plain painful to watch. That's probably just an isolated thing, and I doubt most the game is that bad, but yikes. For a while there I actually thought it might have been a joke and that someone had re-dubbed it.
Thats Conrad Verner he's allways been kinda of a joke character in the series. I had this in my playthrough as well and it fit exactly what i thought should happen with him. Its just a very minor quest/dialog anyway + Show Spoiler +although if you hadn't helped that women in ME2 Conrad actually dies in this and not becomes the joke of the day ^^
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On March 09 2012 14:38 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 13:56 Thingdo wrote:On March 09 2012 11:57 khersai wrote:Bioware quality lol + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVU6vHe5quw stumbled upon while browsing reddit, some of the comments are comedy gold as a male adult with mildly refined taste I feel straight up insulted Wow. Makes me sad to see Bioware sink that low. I always felt that their best part of Mass effect was the good writing and voice acting, but that was just plain painful to watch. That's probably just an isolated thing, and I doubt most the game is that bad, but yikes. For a while there I actually thought it might have been a joke and that someone had re-dubbed it. Thats Conrad Verner he's allways been kinda of a joke character in the series. I had this in my playthrough as well and it fit exactly what i thought should happen with him. Its just a very minor quest/dialog anyway + Show Spoiler +although if you hadn't helped that women in ME2 Conrad actually dies in this and not becomes the joke of the day ^^
Ah, I see. I looked him up, and I do remember seeing him in mass effect 1, but I guess I missed him in mass effect 2.
I suppose that scene isn't as bad as I had thought it was, seeing how it was meant to be a joke. The pacing and awkwardness of it all is still a little much though.
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On March 09 2012 06:17 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:10 rezoacken wrote:On March 09 2012 04:35 ragnorr wrote:On March 09 2012 04:33 blade55555 wrote:On March 09 2012 02:16 RetroAspect wrote:
Sigh, it's almost as bad as i expected.. what's the worst thing is that not a single official reviewer has got the balls to says this and reflect this on the score... Look at metacritic.. Average review score is 92/100 and average user score is 3.2/10!! Biased much? It's a fucking disgrace imo to fuck up the final part of what could have been a legendary trilogy... /sad The user score isn't based on gameplay. It's people who are mad at having to buy collectors adition for day 1 downloadable content or buy it separately. Nothing to do with the game. I liked it, but the ending was really lame ^^. Some might also be doing it after they completed the game. I really was disapointed after the endings even tho it was a fairly good game(Amazing you can fuck your ending up this bad tho) It's still a very low average, it doesn't mean it really deserves a 3/10 but it clearly means this is not a great game to be remembered. To 6 or 7 for ME3 is about right but critics giving it 90+ make my heart sad. I can guarantee you that the 3 score is purely because of people pissed about day 1 dlc or Origin and haven't even touched the game. I mean modern warfare 3 for x360 has a goddamn average 3.2 on metacritic, does anyone here think MW3 should be in the same leage as ME3?
What Im saying is that this is still evidence of something wrong with the game, it doesn't deserve the note but it is worth noting.
And yes I feel ME3 is as average as MW3 was, pure milking based on a sequel. Its fun but it is a "hamburger" game, quickly eaten quickly forgotten.
Anyway if you liked it that's fine, that is not the issue.
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On March 09 2012 17:54 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:17 ZeaL. wrote:On March 09 2012 06:10 rezoacken wrote:On March 09 2012 04:35 ragnorr wrote:On March 09 2012 04:33 blade55555 wrote:On March 09 2012 02:16 RetroAspect wrote:
Sigh, it's almost as bad as i expected.. what's the worst thing is that not a single official reviewer has got the balls to says this and reflect this on the score... Look at metacritic.. Average review score is 92/100 and average user score is 3.2/10!! Biased much? It's a fucking disgrace imo to fuck up the final part of what could have been a legendary trilogy... /sad The user score isn't based on gameplay. It's people who are mad at having to buy collectors adition for day 1 downloadable content or buy it separately. Nothing to do with the game. I liked it, but the ending was really lame ^^. Some might also be doing it after they completed the game. I really was disapointed after the endings even tho it was a fairly good game(Amazing you can fuck your ending up this bad tho) It's still a very low average, it doesn't mean it really deserves a 3/10 but it clearly means this is not a great game to be remembered. To 6 or 7 for ME3 is about right but critics giving it 90+ make my heart sad. I can guarantee you that the 3 score is purely because of people pissed about day 1 dlc or Origin and haven't even touched the game. I mean modern warfare 3 for x360 has a goddamn average 3.2 on metacritic, does anyone here think MW3 should be in the same leage as ME3? What Im saying is that this is still evidence of something wrong with the game, it doesn't deserve the note but it is worth noting. And yes I feel ME3 is as average as MW3 was, pure milking based on a sequel.
lol it doesn't mean anything about the game except pist off people. I mean wow going by metric score is so dumb to go by when its a bunch of haters 99% of the time -_-.
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It's hilarious when people take user-scores seriously. It's like basing a purchase of a game of IGN alone, you're fooling yourself. ME3 is great. I haven't gotten too far yet, but I'm glued to the screen when I'm not at work. I find that they maybe went SLIGHTLY overboard with the action and speed (as an adept with gun, submachine gun AND assault rifle, I can still spam warp almost back to back), but that doesn't take away from the game being really fun constantly, and it's hardly worth giving it a 3 out of 10. I don't care if the ending is terrible or not, this game is at least an 8 for me, just for how fun it has been up til where I am now, could easily be a 10 for me if I find the ending good since I already know the multiplayer is awesome.
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Mm played this a fair bit the last two days, gotta say I am really really enjoying it so far, combat is much more fast paced, and still difficult at times, plenty of quests, lots of galaxies to scan and scavange. Only letdown so far
+ Show Spoiler +wtf is with EDI being a squad mate, if I feel like I am not drowning in squadmates at the end of the game I want that thing gone and a decent character instead. Nuff said
Also only just played multiplayer for the first time as I was too lazy/preoccupied to get to i during the beta. I am enjoying it, but do have a few questions.
+ Show Spoiler +Atm I want to get more characters and the like, apparently the salarian infiltrator is one of the best classes, as well as krogan soldier, but ive got no other races so far except turian engineer which I am maining, good stuff. So should I keep going veterans packs or go spectre? I got one spectre so far, and got the crappy version of the black widow, feels like a cop out. Opinions on best sniper, hand gun, assault rifle, shotty and smg would also be appreciated :D
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On March 09 2012 18:09 FireSA wrote:Mm played this a fair bit the last two days, gotta say I am really really enjoying it so far, combat is much more fast paced, and still difficult at times, plenty of quests, lots of galaxies to scan and scavange. Only letdown so far + Show Spoiler +wtf is with EDI being a squad mate, if I feel like I am not drowning in squadmates at the end of the game I want that thing gone and a decent character instead. Nuff said Also only just played multiplayer for the first time as I was too lazy/preoccupied to get to i during the beta. I am enjoying it, but do have a few questions. + Show Spoiler +Atm I want to get more characters and the like, apparently the salarian infiltrator is one of the best classes, as well as krogan soldier, but ive got no other races so far except turian engineer which I am maining, good stuff. So should I keep going veterans packs or go spectre? I got one spectre so far, and got the crappy version of the black widow, feels like a cop out. Opinions on best sniper, hand gun, assault rifle, shotty and smg would also be appreciated :D
Well, people in the beta couldn't get spectre so it was all up to veteran packs, which worked decently. I think I bought maybe 8 veteran packs during the beta, I unlocked turian sentinel and drell vanguard... it takes a while but they aren't all that expensive so I'd say it's a decent trade-off.
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I have a question about Jack:
/mild spoiler maybe/
+ Show Spoiler +Despite creating a new character instead of importing from ME2, Jack does not appear in the game. Her name is on the "wall of death" on board of Normandy, which is the case if she has died in ME2. I made a second character after i finished the game and again she's on the wall. I read that she's supposed to be at Grissom Academy, just as i expected during my first run. What am i missing?
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Not really a spoiler, but to answer the question, Thane and Jack (and probalby others) dont show up in ME3 unless you import a save. A new char only has the basics.
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On March 09 2012 18:32 DarKcS wrote:
Not really a spoiler, but to answer the question, Thane and Jack (and probalby others) dont show up in ME3 unless you import a save. A new char only has the basics.
That explains it, thanks! So i'll have to replay ME2...i was planning to do it anyway 
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On March 09 2012 18:40 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:30 Psyclon wrote:I have a question about Jack: /mild spoiler maybe/ + Show Spoiler +Despite creating a new character instead of importing from ME2, Jack does not appear in the game. Her name is on the "wall of death" on board of Normandy, which is the case if she has died in ME2. I made a second character after i finished the game and again she's on the wall. I read that she's supposed to be at Grissom Academy, just as i expected during my first run. What am i missing? + Show Spoiler +i didnt go to the grissom academy in time, she was taken by cerberus and used against me when assaulting the cerb headquarters. this was with my playthrough imported save game from ME2 with everyone alive Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
It's hilarious when people take user-scores seriously. It's like basing a purchase of a game of IGN alone, you're fooling yourself. ME3 is great. I haven't gotten too far yet, but I'm glued to the screen when I'm not at work. I find that they maybe went SLIGHTLY overboard with the action and speed (as an adept with gun, submachine gun AND assault rifle, I can still spam warp almost back to back), but that doesn't take away from the game being really fun constantly, and it's hardly worth giving it a 3 out of 10. I don't care if the ending is terrible or not, this game is at least an 8 for me, just for how fun it has been up til where I am now, could easily be a 10 for me if I find the ending good since I already know the multiplayer is awesome. The upgraded engine is good and feels smooth, the combat is... meh, gets annoying, especially on insanity, highly repetitive, just like DA2. The ME3 story started out pretty awful, got a bit better, then completely turned to shit. I wouldnt give this game more than 4/10 based highly on bioware completely ruining and pissing all over my (now ex-)favorite sci fi universe, and the mystery around it. I'm even excluding the awfulness and my hate for DLCs with that score. The universe, story and mystery of mass effect was what i liked most about the games, not the gameplay itself.
I agree with this. Story and options and illusion of freedom is what made ME1 great. But still ME1 had a somewhat good RPG combat. Then ME2 came that removed whatever of RPG combat was left as well as simplified some other RPG elements but keep somewhat good story and illusion of freedom was more or less still intact.
But after 7h playtime of ME3, now it has nothing. Combat is the most unfun and stupid so far, rpg elements are really weak, story is just shit and illusion of freedom has been reduced to unfun levels. At top I can give this game 7/10, although 6/10 is probably more appropriate. By comparison I would rate ME2 7.5/10 or 8/10 and ME1 9/10.
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damn you amazon where is my game T_T
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On March 09 2012 18:58 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:40 zeru wrote:On March 09 2012 18:30 Psyclon wrote:I have a question about Jack: /mild spoiler maybe/ + Show Spoiler +Despite creating a new character instead of importing from ME2, Jack does not appear in the game. Her name is on the "wall of death" on board of Normandy, which is the case if she has died in ME2. I made a second character after i finished the game and again she's on the wall. I read that she's supposed to be at Grissom Academy, just as i expected during my first run. What am i missing? + Show Spoiler +i didnt go to the grissom academy in time, she was taken by cerberus and used against me when assaulting the cerb headquarters. this was with my playthrough imported save game from ME2 with everyone alive On March 09 2012 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
It's hilarious when people take user-scores seriously. It's like basing a purchase of a game of IGN alone, you're fooling yourself. ME3 is great. I haven't gotten too far yet, but I'm glued to the screen when I'm not at work. I find that they maybe went SLIGHTLY overboard with the action and speed (as an adept with gun, submachine gun AND assault rifle, I can still spam warp almost back to back), but that doesn't take away from the game being really fun constantly, and it's hardly worth giving it a 3 out of 10. I don't care if the ending is terrible or not, this game is at least an 8 for me, just for how fun it has been up til where I am now, could easily be a 10 for me if I find the ending good since I already know the multiplayer is awesome. The upgraded engine is good and feels smooth, the combat is... meh, gets annoying, especially on insanity, highly repetitive, just like DA2. The ME3 story started out pretty awful, got a bit better, then completely turned to shit. I wouldnt give this game more than 4/10 based highly on bioware completely ruining and pissing all over my (now ex-)favorite sci fi universe, and the mystery around it. I'm even excluding the awfulness and my hate for DLCs with that score. The universe, story and mystery of mass effect was what i liked most about the games, not the gameplay itself. I agree with this. Story and options and illusion of freedom is what made ME1 great. But still ME1 had a somewhat good RPG combat. Then ME2 came that removed whatever of RPG combat was left as well as simplified some other RPG elements but keep somewhat good story and illusion of freedom was more or less still intact. But after 7h playtime of ME3, now it has nothing. Combat is the most unfun and stupid so far, rpg elements are really weak, story is just shit and illusion of freedom has been reduced to unfun levels. At top I can give this game 7/10, although 6/10 is probably more appropriate. By comparison I would rate ME2 7.5/10 or 8/10 and ME1 9/10.
inventory system / stats != rpg. It = a tactics game
rpg combat? lol dear god, people play too many jrpgs and think that just because it has a j in front of it it must be a true rpg
Nice you give ME1 a 9/10 even though it breaks half the time you play it.
Mass effect has barely ever been an rpg game outside of a sorta story that follows it self based mostly off minor sidequests which is often carried though the mail you get in the games. The major choices in the game has always been minimalistic in what you can actually effect, let alone how you go about the story is pretty much the same.
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I perfectly respect people who think ME1 was the best of the series... but I must say, if you're one of those people, you shouldn't have expected ME3 to be like ME1, I'm pretty sure the majority of people considered ME2 a vast improvement, so it would be completely illogical for Bioware to make it more like ME1, regardless of how you feel about BioWares direction nowadays. ME1 was never a good RPG, and it was never a good shooter. It was a great story in a game with mediocre gameplay. In ME2, they removed most of the RPG gameplay elements because the game wasn't a good RPG anyway but it had a lot of potential as an action-adventure. People who disliked this direction was never going to be satisfied anyway. If you consider ME a real RPG franchise, you were unfortuantely pretty screwed from the start, I'd say.
(Not that this in any way defends ME3 having a bad story, which I can't comment on yet since the story is perfectly fine where I am at right now)
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On March 09 2012 19:25 Tobberoth wrote:
I perfectly respect people who think ME1 was the best of the series... but I must say, if you're one of those people, you shouldn't have expected ME3 to be like ME1, I'm pretty sure the majority of people considered ME2 a vast improvement, so it would be completely illogical for Bioware to make it more like ME1, regardless of how you feel about BioWares direction nowadays. ME1 was never a good RPG, and it was never a good shooter. It was a great story in a game with mediocre gameplay. In ME2, they removed most of the RPG gameplay elements because the game wasn't a good RPG anyway but it had a lot of potential as an action-adventure. People who disliked this direction was never going to be satisfied anyway. If you consider ME a real RPG franchise, you were unfortuantely pretty screwed from the start, I'd say.
(Not that this in any way defends ME3 having a bad story, which I can't comment on yet since the story is perfectly fine where I am at right now)
So much truth in this post. I never understood how people considered ME1 a RPG anway. It had some RPG elements, but these were kinda pointless because they were just cosmetics. They didnt make the game a Baldurs Gate lol.
ME has always been a story driven, console style action game.
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On March 09 2012 19:20 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:58 -Archangel- wrote:On March 09 2012 18:40 zeru wrote:On March 09 2012 18:30 Psyclon wrote:I have a question about Jack: /mild spoiler maybe/ + Show Spoiler +Despite creating a new character instead of importing from ME2, Jack does not appear in the game. Her name is on the "wall of death" on board of Normandy, which is the case if she has died in ME2. I made a second character after i finished the game and again she's on the wall. I read that she's supposed to be at Grissom Academy, just as i expected during my first run. What am i missing? + Show Spoiler +i didnt go to the grissom academy in time, she was taken by cerberus and used against me when assaulting the cerb headquarters. this was with my playthrough imported save game from ME2 with everyone alive On March 09 2012 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
It's hilarious when people take user-scores seriously. It's like basing a purchase of a game of IGN alone, you're fooling yourself. ME3 is great. I haven't gotten too far yet, but I'm glued to the screen when I'm not at work. I find that they maybe went SLIGHTLY overboard with the action and speed (as an adept with gun, submachine gun AND assault rifle, I can still spam warp almost back to back), but that doesn't take away from the game being really fun constantly, and it's hardly worth giving it a 3 out of 10. I don't care if the ending is terrible or not, this game is at least an 8 for me, just for how fun it has been up til where I am now, could easily be a 10 for me if I find the ending good since I already know the multiplayer is awesome. The upgraded engine is good and feels smooth, the combat is... meh, gets annoying, especially on insanity, highly repetitive, just like DA2. The ME3 story started out pretty awful, got a bit better, then completely turned to shit. I wouldnt give this game more than 4/10 based highly on bioware completely ruining and pissing all over my (now ex-)favorite sci fi universe, and the mystery around it. I'm even excluding the awfulness and my hate for DLCs with that score. The universe, story and mystery of mass effect was what i liked most about the games, not the gameplay itself. I agree with this. Story and options and illusion of freedom is what made ME1 great. But still ME1 had a somewhat good RPG combat. Then ME2 came that removed whatever of RPG combat was left as well as simplified some other RPG elements but keep somewhat good story and illusion of freedom was more or less still intact. But after 7h playtime of ME3, now it has nothing. Combat is the most unfun and stupid so far, rpg elements are really weak, story is just shit and illusion of freedom has been reduced to unfun levels. At top I can give this game 7/10, although 6/10 is probably more appropriate. By comparison I would rate ME2 7.5/10 or 8/10 and ME1 9/10. inventory system / stats != rpg. It = a tactics game rpg combat? lol dear god, people play too many jrpgs and think that just because it has a j in front of it it must be a true rpg Nice you give ME1 a 9/10 even though it breaks half the time you play it. Mass effect has barely ever been an rpg game outside of a sorta story that follows it self based mostly off minor sidequests which is often carried though the mail you get in the games. The major choices in the game has always been minimalistic in what you can actually effect, let alone how you go about the story is pretty much the same.
What kind of breaking are you talking about?
I gave 9/10 for ME1 for the whole package, not because I consider it a great RPG. If it was a great RPG in addition to everything it gave us I would have give it 10/10.
ME1 had minimal choices? What are you smoking? Yes, compared to BG2 or some older good RPG games that was true but it was better then other games at the time or most after it.
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Wow some very bitter people in here. 4/10? 6/10? I love how one guy suggests that the high CRITICS SCORE shows bias, and not the incredulously low user score. It is a great game, and I am merely reading a lot of people complaining about...about what exactly? So far the story for me is not inspired, but its good enough, and the gameplay..its ME2 but much smoother, more fun, more variety? If you guys are really not enjoying it, you would not have enjoyed ME1. Also replaying ME1, it is pretty tedious. Some people need to try and be more honest about how they are looking at this game..
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Just beat it. I loved it, the gameplay and combat is vastly improved over ME2 and ME1, the story develops well, and the characters make you care about them. I'm not really sure what to think about the ending. I do know that it could have been done better, and it didn't leave me with much sense of closure on the series though.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nrdCD.jpg)
, from there that's 4 endings i suppose plus the 2 divergence of save/destroy collector base so there is really only 8 endings, i'm guessing the small tweaks such as someone leaves or something would be where people get the 16
