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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 20 2012 15:39 GMT
#2261
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:43:55
March 20 2012 15:43 GMT
#2262
On March 21 2012 00:38 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


This is not about a happy ending its about having an ending that makes sense and doesn't leave you wondering that the hell just happened. My first reaction was i must've done something wrong so i reloaded chose another ending so see that its basically the same thing. Then i did another reload and saw the third option is also the same and i got kinda angry about it.

Its like they ended LoTR like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Not to mention how many bugs the last mission as a whole has. If you start to slightly stray off the path you run into so many of them its not even funny.


I don't see what's wrong with those LOTR endings.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
March 20 2012 15:44 GMT
#2263
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:58:42
March 20 2012 15:48 GMT
#2264
On March 21 2012 00:43 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:38 s3rp wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


This is not about a happy ending its about having an ending that makes sense and doesn't leave you wondering that the hell just happened. My first reaction was i must've done something wrong so i reloaded chose another ending so see that its basically the same thing. Then i did another reload and saw the third option is also the same and i got kinda angry about it.

Its like they ended LoTR like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Not to mention how many bugs the last mission as a whole has. If you start to slightly stray off the path you run into so many of them its not even funny.


I don't see what's wrong with those LOTR endings.


If they basically look the same and the only difference is in the color of the explosion i do. Its allways explosion - credits - a message that tells you to please now buy our DLC's - the End . Nothing gets explained , no Epilogue / Monologue anything whatsoever.


What bothers me most is the is chrystal clear that the ME3 ending was not done when the game was released . Hell in the last hours documentary and some stuff found on the discs there's stuff that actually proves it.

Its their responsibility to now fix this or they'll never see another penny from me ( and plenty of other people). Simple as that . I paid for a fnished product and they didn't deliver me that so i demand for them to give me what they owe me.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
March 20 2012 15:49 GMT
#2265
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. Can someone explain this ending to me and why it's so sad?

The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.



For the record I have no problem with the game not having a happy ending. I didn't go into the end game without enough assets to earn a happy ending so I didn't expect one but the end is a plot hole filled mess where the best explanation involves it being a hallucination or a dream. I think you should probably complete the game before commentating on why people didn't like it.

I respectfully disagree with you that the ending isn't a generic Hollywood twist deal but that's not really a conversation for this topic.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
March 20 2012 15:49 GMT
#2266
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.

The main problem with the ending is that it makes no sense whatsoever.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 16:05:52
March 20 2012 16:04 GMT
#2267
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. Can someone explain this ending to me and why it's so sad?

The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


Somehow you completely missed what people are talking about. The entire storyline and suspension of disbelief is broken in the last 5 minutes of the game. Good, Bad, or indifferent endings all the same.

Unless you call the understood narrative into question. Then it's all still unexplained, and incomplete, though a lot more intriguing.
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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 20 2012 16:09 GMT
#2268
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


It's true there are people who're upset at no happy ending, but having spent a lot of time on BSN I can say a lot of fans completely expected to not survive the experience or have an entirely happy ending. News reporting it as "too bleak" isn't being fair either. That all said though, the link I'm about to give does include a complaint about it not being happy enough, but I think it covers most of the other points very well so it's the one I'm going to give anyway. For the record though, like many other fans, I was certainly not expecting, nor wanting a typical "happy ending".

This link is a 20 minute long video titled "10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Endings" and does contain major plot spoilers and a little swearing.

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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 16:11:56
March 20 2012 16:11 GMT
#2269
I also hate at the end, and basically through the entire game, your're not able to ask a lot of questions in dialogue. In Mass Effect 1 you had to spend a good portion of time asking Vigil and Sovereign questions and it felt very thorough. At the end of Mass Effect 3, I felt like I was unable to ask anything besides a a few cheesy one-liners. They really nerfed the dialogue down, which was my favorite aspect of Mass Effect.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 16:32:40
March 20 2012 16:30 GMT
#2270
The indoctrination theory video gave me some hope for a better ending in the future (DLC, unfortunately):



Everything fits, everything makes sense - even though I don't believe Bioware intended for this to happen. That said, they should still use what the fans have created and build upon this theory to craft a fullfiling end to the series). EA/Bioware did drop the ball on the ending, however. I'd rather they skipped the (pathetic) multiplayer component altogether and deliver a proper ending instead.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
March 20 2012 16:33 GMT
#2271
On March 21 2012 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


It's true there are people who're upset at no happy ending, but having spent a lot of time on BSN I can say a lot of fans completely expected to not survive the experience or have an entirely happy ending. News reporting it as "too bleak" isn't being fair either. That all said though, the link I'm about to give does include a complaint about it not being happy enough, but I think it covers most of the other points very well so it's the one I'm going to give anyway. For the record though, like many other fans, I was certainly not expecting, nor wanting a typical "happy ending".

This link is a 20 minute long video titled "10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Endings" and does contain major plot spoilers and a little swearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

I watched the video.

Only 1, 2 and 9 are valid: plot holes.

The rest is QQ I'm too depressed.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 17:00:24
March 20 2012 16:52 GMT
#2272
On March 21 2012 01:33 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


It's true there are people who're upset at no happy ending, but having spent a lot of time on BSN I can say a lot of fans completely expected to not survive the experience or have an entirely happy ending. News reporting it as "too bleak" isn't being fair either. That all said though, the link I'm about to give does include a complaint about it not being happy enough, but I think it covers most of the other points very well so it's the one I'm going to give anyway. For the record though, like many other fans, I was certainly not expecting, nor wanting a typical "happy ending".

This link is a 20 minute long video titled "10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Endings" and does contain major plot spoilers and a little swearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

I watched the video.

Only 1, 2 and 9 are valid: plot holes.

The rest is QQ I'm too depressed.


For ease of reference I'll list the names of the others in a spoiler so I can discuss them without you having to load the video again to find what I'm talking about, but such that I don't have to provide actual spoilers.

+ Show Spoiler +

3: Mass Effect Relay explosions kill everyone in lore, but apparently not here.

4: Victory fleet if it somehow survived is stranded and all going to die anyway.

5: War Assets don't matter at all, despite the whole game being about collecting them to fight the Reaper threat.

6: No closure, or epilogue or real ending, just a prompt saying "buy DLC" and literally a stock image photoshopped with no background information.

7: Happy Ending not in the game.

8: God Child introduction.

10: The fact there is no variety in the endings beyond colour of the explosion and about 2-3 seconds of buildings being destroyed.


3: By proxy everyone is dead and thus there would never be a reason to actually select one of the 3 endings and thus Shepard would never do it.

4: Fair enough, but it seems like a fairly serious issue not just limitted to wanting a "happy" ending.

5: Nothing to do with wanting a happier ending was the reason for this one. Literally the whole game, and the two before it build up the concept that decisions have conseuqneces and that is completely disregarded with this point.

6: Nothing to do with wanting a happy ending (though he does mention that), but in this case is just a case of a completely unsatisfactory 'ending' that would be better described as where the game stops than any semblance of an ending. It also means that developers lied in the pre release interviews and hype.

7: I agree with you, purely about happy endings and not relevant to any legitimate discussion on a new ending being required.

8: More lies from developers, that once again don't make sense, introduces plot holes to those familiar with the series and comes completely out of no where as a really terrible and literal God of the Machine ending.

10: Technically just a sign of a bad enging, but is itself an outright lie on behalf of developers. We were told there were "16 endings", and no "A, B or C option", and that there were "wildly" different endings where our choices matter. What we got was a literal A, B or C ending with no choices and without any cohereny in relation to the end of the sory.

Edit: Here are some of the quotes and sources, all of which anyone could argue are deceptive, if not outright lies. This list was compiled by the user cato_84 on BSN.

+ Show Spoiler +
Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/mass-effect-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/05/qa-mass-effect-3s-mac-walters-on-how-the-game-tries-to-reach-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334598/interviews/mass-effect-3-weve-brought-back-a-lot-of-what-was-missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650/mass_effect_3_reapers_can_win_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1229983/mass_effect_3_developer_interview_shepard_coop_story_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/casey-hudson-kinect-the-future-of-interactive-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/336331/interviews/mass-effect-3-we-cant-go-on-holiday-our-dlc-is-really-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 20 2012 17:12 GMT
#2273
On March 21 2012 01:30 True_Spike wrote:
The indoctrination theory video gave me some hope for a better ending in the future (DLC, unfortunately):

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck


Everything fits, everything makes sense - even though I don't believe Bioware intended for this to happen. That said, they should still use what the fans have created and build upon this theory to craft a fullfiling end to the series). EA/Bioware did drop the ball on the ending, however. I'd rather they skipped the (pathetic) multiplayer component altogether and deliver a proper ending instead.


Ending DLC. They would likely have to re-hire actors like Martin Sheen for it, sounds expensive. But if this is really what Bioware has been writing the whole time. Its actually likely that the end DLC has already been dialogued and programmed, but not inserted in the game.
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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 20 2012 17:23 GMT
#2274
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. Can someone explain this ending to me and why it's so sad?

The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


You shouldn't really comment if you haven't played the game, issue is not lack of a happy ending but rather the ending overall being rushed, disappointing and lacking all around. For me this includes both the last battles and the cutscenes.

I wasn't bothered by it enough to whine about it but my point is that it had nothing to do about it being happy or sad. Only sad thing was it being bad.
Doomgiver
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal59 Posts
March 20 2012 17:25 GMT
#2275
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


go look it up again then. you clearly didnt.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
March 20 2012 17:33 GMT
#2276
On March 21 2012 02:25 Doomgiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


go look it up again then. you clearly didnt.


http://i.imgur.com/xIuYm.png

This explains it pretty well.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
March 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#2277
On March 21 2012 02:33 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:25 Doomgiver wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:44 paralleluniverse wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:39 Iyerbeth wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
I haven't played this game, but I've been hearing a lot of QQ about the ending. The general vibe seems to be it's not happy enough.

Too bad.

You don't deserve a happy ending. The writers of the story have the right to end their story the way they want to.

And not every story is meant conclude with a Disney ending.


If you're not worried about spoilers, I would strongly suggest looking it up. It has nothing to do with how happy it was for the majority of people, but because of the deus ex machina character introductions, massive plot holes, character's no longer following 5 years of personality growth, no choices mattering in a game where choices mattering is the main selling point, clear lies in the pre-release hype and discussions from the developers, an ending that actually doesn't make sense and is literally contrary to the universe created and finally the fact that the endings are literally 99% the same, and the biggest change is in colours.

The ending's impact on the games is actually so huge there is no point in either replaying game 3, or the original 2.

I have looked it up. The vibe I get is that it's not happy enough. Sure I've seen a few complaints about a lack of choice, but really not that many compared the the former.


go look it up again then. you clearly didnt.


http://i.imgur.com/xIuYm.png

This explains it pretty well.

LOL. That is too perfect.

And very accurate. My problem wasn't that the ending wasn't "happy". ME2 had plenty of horridly depressing endings. The ending to ME3 really just doesn't make any sense, and the complete and utter lack of closure was infuriating. What happens to the universe I've come to love? What happens to all the characters I've grown quite attached to?

Sure I'd have been delighted with a happy ending, but I really just wanted something that made sense and gave me a feeling of closure.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:27:51
March 20 2012 18:16 GMT
#2278
i'm convinced me3 is genius because i choose to believe in the indoctrination theory. it makes too much sense. and the mistakes in the final sequence are just way too obvious. if it's not intended by bioware, who cares - that's just how this game will end for me. we're supposed to choose our own endings anyhow, right? i'd like a cool cgi to show my final choices come together but my imagination is fine.

even if this is just a massive fuckup (like DA2 LOL!) the indoctrination theory allows space for a DLC that lets you enter the beam and see what's really happening up there in the citadel. brilliant marketing from a business perspective or what?

the "ohh i see why people believe this" moment for me is the illusive man with paragon colors at the Control option. he too believed he was controlling the reapers, and here the kid is showing you the same option framed with fake paragon colors. tldr, the end is too contrary to the spirit of the story to be real.


edit: more conclusive proof is how shepherd is alive in the clearly stone rubble only in the fake renegade (destroy) ending. isn't it so obvious?

edit2: god what a fucking great ending. the more i think about it the more impressed i get. i think if bioware acknowledges (or even pretends) that they planned this from the start, it'll make gaming history.
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unsaintly
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany687 Posts
March 20 2012 18:25 GMT
#2279
I like to believe in the indoctrination theory, even if it's bs. I don't want to believe that BioWare would fuck this up so badly.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 20 2012 18:26 GMT
#2280
On March 21 2012 03:16 intrigue wrote:
i'm convinced me3 is genius because i choose to believe in the indoctrination theory. it makes too much sense. and the mistakes in the final sequence are just way too obvious. if it's not intended by bioware, who cares - that's just how this game will end for me. hopefully even if this is just a massive fuckup (like DA2 LOL!) they'll release a DLC that lets you enter the beam and see what's really there.


Even if that theory is correct, it still doesn't help with the destruction of the mass relays, Normandy stranded, party rescued and everything else involved. It does make sense and could solve some of the big issues in the ending, but it doesn't fix everything. If they can make obvious mistakes like the explosion of the relays, I can't stop thinking that the other obvious mistakes are simply obvious mistakes.
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