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On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more.
I made the same experience. Exactly the same EMS like you (36xx) with 50% readiness. I've completed nearly every sidequest plus all DLC missions (Kasumi; Zaeed, etc.).
I'm sure they said before that it's definitely possible to reach the best ending without the MP. Oh wait all endings suck but nevermind :D.
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On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway.
+ Show Spoiler +You managed to kill Tali in ME3? How did you manage to do that?
I had a similar reaction when I managed to let Eve die. I didn't diffuse the bomb soon enough. I got a message in my inbox from Wrex saying Eve died in the blast. I wept. (Not quite, but close)
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On March 19 2012 02:29 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. + Show Spoiler +You managed to kill Tali in ME3? How did you manage to do that?
I had a similar reaction when I managed to let Eve die. I didn't diffuse the bomb soon enough. I got a message in my inbox from Wrex saying Eve died in the blast. I wept. (Not quite, but close)
+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't.
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On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway.
...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o
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On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't.
Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone.
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On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more.
These are the most common missed ones I could find for paragons.
Did you send Dr. Chakwas to work in the Labs?(25, if you send her you recruit Dr. Michel instead)
Did you send Ashley/Kaiden to Admiral Hacket?(25)
Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player)
Did Jack survive ME2 AND survive Grissom Academy?(25, as a paragon this did likly happen)
Did Kasumi Goto(ME2 DLC character) remain loyal and survive ME2 + fake her own death in ME3?(25)
Did you get to save both the Turian Coloney and get the Volus Bombing fleet?(100, requires Zaheed surving ME2 + Loyalty mission)
Did you warn Miranda about Kai Leng while in the Spectre office? If yes did she survive his attack or not?(25 and im not 100% on the triggers for this)
Did you save the Salarian during that hanar indoctrination quest quest?( as paragon you probably didn't. Saving him you gain a spectre team[40points]and by saving planet you get a 58 point asset)
Did Thane Krios survive ME2 and did Captian Kirrahe(ME1 Vermir STG group leader) survive ME1? Did you talk to Thane before Priority: Citadel? (25 if yes to all 3)
Did you use the students at Grisson for support or for battle.(If you pick the renegade option of battle you gain 75 points instead of 50)
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On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone.
I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it.
On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more. These are the most common missed ones I could find for paragons. Did you send Dr. Chakwas to work in the Labs?(25, if you send her you recruit Dr. Michel instead) Did you send Ashley/Kaiden to Admiral Hacket?(25) Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player)Did Jack survive ME2 AND survive Grissom Academy?(25, as a paragon this did likly happen) Did Kasumi Goto(ME2 DLC character) remain loyal and survive ME2 + fake her own death in ME3?(25) Did you get to save both the Turian Coloney and get the Volus Bombing fleet?(100, requires Zaheed surving ME2 + Loyalty mission) Did you warn Miranda about Kai Leng while in the Spectre office? If yes did she survive his attack or not?(25 and im not 100% on the triggers for this) Did you save the Salarian during that hanar indoctrination quest quest?( as paragon you probably didn't. Saving him you gain a spectre team[40points]and by saving planet you get a 58 point asset) Did Thane Krios survive ME2 and did Captian Kirrahe(ME1 Vermir STG group leader) survive ME1? Did you talk to Thane before Priority: Citadel? (25 if yes to all 3)
That's probally the key one for most people. It's weird that the game makes it so good to stay strictly Paragon/Renegade but forces you to game the system to get the best ending if you don't do multiplayer. With that added to all the "right" choices in ME1 and 2 I can see it being possible to get 4k. But it still should be easier to do it, it is a single player game at it's core. Just doing all sidequests and staying full Paragon should be enough.
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On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it.
This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species.
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On March 19 2012 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it. This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species.
meh i was so sad because of that holy sht... i couldnt get my ME2 saves to work and I didnt realize that ME2 saves were needed... i replayed that bit with different dialog -_- = no soltuion
+ Show Spoiler +but the quarians are such big bitches omfg just listen to me and you would be fucking fine
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On March 19 2012 02:50 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it. This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species. meh i was so sad because of that holy sht... i couldnt get my ME2 saves to work and I didnt realize that ME2 saves were needed... i replayed that bit with different dialog -_- = no soltuion + Show Spoiler +but the quarians are such big bitches omfg just listen to me and you would be fucking fine
I would definatelly have dowloaded a savegame editor or something like that if it happened to me. I just couldn't play the game with the default choices. Not only you miss a lot of stuff, the world just wouldn't make sense and that's one of the key points in ME for me.
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On March 19 2012 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it. This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species.
To unite Geth and Quarian you need Legion to survive the suside mission, finished his loyalty quest AND rewrote the heritic geths programming and done the fighter base mission and saved the admiral on Rannock(this is a renegade choice i belive. This is easily the most difficult outcome to get.
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On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more. These are the most common missed ones I could find for paragons. Did you send Dr. Chakwas to work in the Labs?(25, if you send her you recruit Dr. Michel instead) Did you send Ashley/Kaiden to Admiral Hacket?(25) Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player) Did Jack survive ME2 AND survive Grissom Academy?(25, as a paragon this did likly happen) Did Kasumi Goto(ME2 DLC character) remain loyal and survive ME2 + fake her own death in ME3?(25) Did you get to save both the Turian Coloney and get the Volus Bombing fleet?(100, requires Zaheed surving ME2 + Loyalty mission) Did you warn Miranda about Kai Leng while in the Spectre office? If yes did she survive his attack or not?(25 and im not 100% on the triggers for this) Did you save the Salarian during that hanar indoctrination quest quest?( as paragon you probably didn't. Saving him you gain a spectre team[40points]and by saving planet you get a 58 point asset) Did Thane Krios survive ME2 and did Captian Kirrahe(ME1 Vermir STG group leader) survive ME1? Did you talk to Thane before Priority: Citadel? (25 if yes to all 3) Did you use the students at Grisson for support or for battle.(If you pick the renegade option of battle you gain 75 points instead of 50)
Everything you mentioned - I did (read carefully through everything you mentioned). That's the point. I went after first playthrough to wikia and checked every +war effort there. My only mistakes were not finding Conrad Verner, I can't get Kelly Chambers because I didn't have dinner with her in ME2, doh. I didn't support the Clerk instead of Refugee when they ask to let shuttle to dock. And sent students of Grissom Academy as supports. All of this was my first playthrough without any knowledge. Now I reversed that and got, as you can see, not much more.
My ME1 and ME2 saves are both with all DLCs and complete runs. I previously told that I even got assistance from Balak in ME3 +15 TMS (terrorist whom you can either kill or instead save hostages on Asteroid X57 in Bring Down The Sky DLC of ME1).
I REALLY don't see how I can get 4k EMS without MP. Not that I'm worried about it but I was curious. Didn't play New Game+ and don't really intend to.
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On March 19 2012 03:08 RA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more. These are the most common missed ones I could find for paragons. Did you send Dr. Chakwas to work in the Labs?(25, if you send her you recruit Dr. Michel instead) Did you send Ashley/Kaiden to Admiral Hacket?(25) Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player) Did Jack survive ME2 AND survive Grissom Academy?(25, as a paragon this did likly happen) Did Kasumi Goto(ME2 DLC character) remain loyal and survive ME2 + fake her own death in ME3?(25) Did you get to save both the Turian Coloney and get the Volus Bombing fleet?(100, requires Zaheed surving ME2 + Loyalty mission) Did you warn Miranda about Kai Leng while in the Spectre office? If yes did she survive his attack or not?(25 and im not 100% on the triggers for this) Did you save the Salarian during that hanar indoctrination quest quest?( as paragon you probably didn't. Saving him you gain a spectre team[40points]and by saving planet you get a 58 point asset) Did Thane Krios survive ME2 and did Captian Kirrahe(ME1 Vermir STG group leader) survive ME1? Did you talk to Thane before Priority: Citadel? (25 if yes to all 3) Did you use the students at Grisson for support or for battle.(If you pick the renegade option of battle you gain 75 points instead of 50) Everything you mentioned - I did (read carefully through everything you mentioned). That's the point. I went after first playthrough to wikia and checked every +war effort there. My only mistakes were not finding Conrad Verner, I can't get Kelly Chambers because I didn't have dinner with her in ME2, doh. I didn't support the Clerk instead of Refugee when they ask to let shuttle to dock. And sent students of Grissom Academy as supports. All of this was my first playthrough without any knowledge. Now I reversed that and got, as you can see, not much more. My ME1 and ME2 saves are both with all DLCs and complete runs. I previously told that I even got assistance from Balak in ME3 +15 TMS (terrorist whom you can either kill or instead save hostages on Asteroid X57 in Bring Down The Sky DLC of ME1). I REALLY don't see how I can get 4k EMS without MP. Not that I'm worried about it but I was curious. Didn't play New Game+ and don't really intend to.
Ok so your only missing out on like 70 points from what you've listed.
My first play through was with a a defaulted ME3 toon meaning ALOT of people died in the ME2 final mission and not many ME1 guys survived. I ended with an effective military strength of about 3600ish. You should reach 4k just by being able to have the ME2 DLC guys + Quarian Geth peace.
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On March 19 2012 03:19 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:08 RA wrote:On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 19 2012 00:52 RA wrote:
Finished the single player for the second time. As I said before, gonna report on my EMS progress. First time I played the game after ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 save with full paragon, I got 3585 (50% readiness). Now I played from same save with different class and did minor changes to get more EMS. Still, without multiplayer I have only 3661 (50% readiness). So that's be best I could reach.
So the fact is proved. It's impossible to get best ending without MP. Since I don't see where I could get 678 more. These are the most common missed ones I could find for paragons. Did you send Dr. Chakwas to work in the Labs?(25, if you send her you recruit Dr. Michel instead) Did you send Ashley/Kaiden to Admiral Hacket?(25) Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player) Did Jack survive ME2 AND survive Grissom Academy?(25, as a paragon this did likly happen) Did Kasumi Goto(ME2 DLC character) remain loyal and survive ME2 + fake her own death in ME3?(25) Did you get to save both the Turian Coloney and get the Volus Bombing fleet?(100, requires Zaheed surving ME2 + Loyalty mission) Did you warn Miranda about Kai Leng while in the Spectre office? If yes did she survive his attack or not?(25 and im not 100% on the triggers for this) Did you save the Salarian during that hanar indoctrination quest quest?( as paragon you probably didn't. Saving him you gain a spectre team[40points]and by saving planet you get a 58 point asset) Did Thane Krios survive ME2 and did Captian Kirrahe(ME1 Vermir STG group leader) survive ME1? Did you talk to Thane before Priority: Citadel? (25 if yes to all 3) Did you use the students at Grisson for support or for battle.(If you pick the renegade option of battle you gain 75 points instead of 50) Everything you mentioned - I did (read carefully through everything you mentioned). That's the point. I went after first playthrough to wikia and checked every +war effort there. My only mistakes were not finding Conrad Verner, I can't get Kelly Chambers because I didn't have dinner with her in ME2, doh. I didn't support the Clerk instead of Refugee when they ask to let shuttle to dock. And sent students of Grissom Academy as supports. All of this was my first playthrough without any knowledge. Now I reversed that and got, as you can see, not much more. My ME1 and ME2 saves are both with all DLCs and complete runs. I previously told that I even got assistance from Balak in ME3 +15 TMS (terrorist whom you can either kill or instead save hostages on Asteroid X57 in Bring Down The Sky DLC of ME1). I REALLY don't see how I can get 4k EMS without MP. Not that I'm worried about it but I was curious. Didn't play New Game+ and don't really intend to. Ok so your only missing out on like 70 points from what you've listed. My first play through was with a a defaulted ME3 toon meaning ALOT of people died in the ME2 final mission and not many ME1 guys survived. I ended with an effective military strength of about 3600ish. You should reach 4k just by being able to have the ME2 DLC guys + Quarian Geth peace.
I'm not. Those were the ones I didn't get on my FIRST playthrough. I actually got everything I could this time.
I have all that. EMS is half of TMS. Feels as if you're mistaking it. I don't see how you can get same score with "almost everyone dead" option in purely new ME3 game. I tried it and my assets definitely felt lower at same moments, but I didn't play it after Sur'Kesh.
Or you were just playing "Ashley/Kaidan dead" option. That's a different story. It should be pretty close to this one but still 3.6k EMS? I don't believe it, I mean it feels unreal! Then where does basically perfect score except Kelly Chambers go?
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The ending problem needs to be fixed. I would get into it but I do not want to make myself even more mad.
Bioware addressed the issue already. There are several articles on it on the web.
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It's not possible to get 4k ems without playing multiplayer. Although it might be possible by editing some .ini or smth.
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On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player)
+ Show Spoiler +I'm getting online that you can get salarian support by saving their council representative, even if you sided with the krogan before.
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On March 19 2012 03:33 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:41 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Did you get the really cure the genophage or take the Salarian deal?(650 possibly more. This is very likly a no as a full paragon player) + Show Spoiler +I'm getting online that you can get salarian support by saving their council representative, even if you sided with the krogan before.
Read the same thing.
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On March 19 2012 03:04 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it. This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species. To unite Geth and Quarian you need Legion to survive the suside mission, finished his loyalty quest AND rewrote the heritic geths programming and done the fighter base mission and saved the admiral on Rannock(this is a renegade choice i belive. This is easily the most difficult outcome to get.
As I understand it, you need a certain number of "peace points" to unite the two, but you don't need to do everything perfectly; I destroyed the heretics and still got it ezpz.
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On March 19 2012 04:15 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:04 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 19 2012 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:On March 19 2012 02:42 SKC wrote:On March 19 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 01:41 TheLink wrote:Regardless of the overall ending each arcs conclusion in this game was amazing. I am wondering what happens if some key characters die though. What if Mordin or Tali died in ME2? seems to fuck up quite a bit of their story for ME3, or do they just pretend it didn't happen (like if Shephard died). + Show Spoiler +I couldn't bring myself to keep playing when my Tali died. I forced her to betray her species to extinction, and as she leapt from the cliff I presumably could have saved her but took too long debating it... I stopped playing and just sat in silence in the next room for like an hour running through the story arc in my head. And then in the end the stupid starchild made me wipe out the geth anyway. ...wait what? How did you manage to + Show Spoiler +let Tali die and force her to betray her species? The whole Quarian/Geth storyline turned out beautifully I'd say, and I've got no idea how you managed to do that :o Edit: On March 19 2012 02:35 SKC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I assume that if you let Legion apply the Reaper upgrades and don't manage to stop the Quarian admiral from attacking the Geth they lose the battle and get wiped out, Tali tries to kill herself and you have a Paragon right click timed event to stop her. In my game I stopped the admiral and got both the Geth and Quarians to work together, but I guess that's what would happen if I didn't. Guess that would make sense, still think it was fairly straightforward all the way as far as what you were supposed to do in order for everything to turn out alright for everyone. I believe you needed a certain level of paragon, made certain choices in ME2 and did the Quarian side quests in ME3 to be able to get the best solution to the conflict. They were very straightforward "good" decisions, so it shouldn't be hard to get them, but I can see someone that started with a fresh save/rushed the game/went for a "gray" morality character not being able to get it. This is exactly what happened to me playing on a fresh ME3 char. I never saw any chance to unite them. I basically had to pick 1 or the other. However, based on what I learned from going inside the geth server, I picked the geth, resulting in + Show Spoiler +the fucked up tali suicide scene.
Btw... even with the paragon attempt I was unable to save her from jumping off. No sense in them letting you save her when you just wiped out most of her species. To unite Geth and Quarian you need Legion to survive the suside mission, finished his loyalty quest AND rewrote the heritic geths programming and done the fighter base mission and saved the admiral on Rannock(this is a renegade choice i belive. This is easily the most difficult outcome to get. As I understand it, you need a certain number of "peace points" to unite the two, but you don't need to do everything perfectly; I destroyed the heretics and still got it ezpz.
+ Show Spoiler +Destroying the heretics is actually one of the things that makes getting peace easier, as well as resulting in less enemies during those particular missions in ME3.
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Just finished the game. Really enjoyed it. Very fun and "epic" up until the last 5min. Then idk wtf happened. Ill just imagine that never happened.
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