NBA 2010-2011 Season - Page 78

On February 10 2011 14:50 lolsixtynine wrote:
While watching D-rose tonight, I had flashbacks to the Jordan era... he's so damn good now. It's amazing how much better Rose has gotten in the last 2 years, even from the starting point of Rookie of the Year... O_O

When the final horn sounded, Cleveland's fans didn't bother booing as the Cavs dropped their heads and walked dejectedly to the locker room.

"Something has to give when they play the Wizards," said two-time reigning NBA MVP LeBron James, whose departure from Cleveland for Miami has led to the Cavs' stunning collapse in their first season without him, on Tuesday night after the Heat beat Indiana at home. "I think that should be a nationally televised game, honestly."

On February 10 2011 18:14 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I strongly considered a modern era frontcourt of KG/Duncan over Duncan/Shaq, but I couldn't get the image of Shaq in his prime just completely taking over the paint. Again, I know people always refer to how Olajuwon beat Shaq handily in their championship series against each other, but Shaq wasn't at his best at that point while Hakeem was. Shaq, at his best, was something like 7'1" 320-340 lbs with about 10% body fat, was unstoppable on offense apart from forcing him to shoot FTs (which will put opposing Cs in foul trouble), passed about as well as any big, and just dominated the paint in both rebounding and on defense. Plus, the guy was just simply immovable and unstoppable because of his combination of size, strength and athleticism.

On February 10 2011 18:28 FQD1911 wrote:true on all points, but one thing i can't get out of my head on this subject:

talked about "who was the best center to play since you've been watching" with my dad one day (he was born in '53, so he came in during Wilt's serious years). i thought he'd say Russell, but he said Wilt no contest. asked him could he handle Shaq on the defensive end, and he almost laughed. He said about Shaq:

"Shaq uses brute strength to get his stats, but his basketball IQ is nowhere near what Wilt's was at (with Bill Russell having the highest out of big men I've ever seen). What you youngsters forget about Wilt was that he was a hurdler at Kansas, so not only was he a giant, he was an athletic giant. More important question would be...how would Shaq guard Wilt?"

after that, kinda looked at Shaq in a different light. no doubt he's top 3 best centers to ever play the game, but #1 & #2 are Wilt & Russell...whichever you want to put in those spots. Russell (should be obvious) and Wilt because he has records for his position (and overall) that probably will never be broken.

On February 10 2011 22:45 Sm3agol wrote:
You people talking about defensive rules back then don't realize how badly that gives the advantage to the modern players. Guys like Howard and Shaq become UNTOUCHABLE inside. You simply won't go anywhere near them because they'll put you on your back, and might not even get called for it. Howard especially, he gets tacky contact fouls on his all the time that basically make him play scared. The guy can easily dunk a 12 foot rim......seriously. Give him the ability to actually use his size....and it would be game over for anyone not his size and weight. Same things for guys like Lebron. If he can hand check you...you don't go ANYWHERE. He can physically push you away from the basket with ease. Look at the stick figures back then that were Wilt, Russel, Bird, Johnson, etc. They would get physically abused by the ridiculous physiques the more modern players have.


That's why you can't compare different eras....

On February 11 2011 00:42 BalliSLife wrote:
That's true about the size, I'm curious as to why none of you guys chose Kareem though, is it because of the lack of highlights? But anyway do you guys think that the choices at each spot are too stacked? Or it is completely necessary in order to beat opposing team? What if it was something like Jason Kidd/Steve Nash tyreke Evans, lebron, prime kg, prime Yao?

Edit: you know what I'd put a 2001 MVP iverson in there, I know about him getting off too many shots but put him on a good enough team with bigs and I don't see any other little guy stopping his pure speed at the time.

On February 11 2011 01:59 cLutZ wrote:I agree that Lebron on defense would be much better, but his offensive game would disappear. Just like Dwight he lacks any post moves so he can't work towards the basket, and barreling towards it and getting easy layups/easy assists just doesn't work under the old rules.

If we are talking all-star teams using the old rules you do not want to have people on your team that rely on getting penetration to be good, and you want to have long defenders on your team.

On February 11 2011 02:13 XaI)CyRiC wrote:


Two things about Lebron's effectiveness on offense:
1. With his physicality, he would not have to get easy layups to score. He'd just barrel into and through players, and, with his combination of size, strength and speed, he'd just kill the guys guarding him.
2. With his physical gifts and demonstrated ability and willingness to work on his weaknesses and adjust his game, I think it's safe to assume that Lebron would adapt to the older rules. Again, with his ridiculous physical gifts, it wouldn't be hard for him to develop a post game, particularly if he was allowed to be more physical. Think about how effective Malone was with his strength and size, and then remember that Lebron is basically Malone but faster, more athletic, a better ballhandler/passer, and a better shooter.