EPTI definitely wouldn't want Wilkins on that team, though. He needs a lot of shots to be effective, which doesn't work with a team of all-stars. King was an ultra-efficient scorer and you pretty much have to double him whenever he gets the ball within 15 feet.
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city42
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I definitely wouldn't want Wilkins on that team, though. He needs a lot of shots to be effective, which doesn't work with a team of all-stars. King was an ultra-efficient scorer and you pretty much have to double him whenever he gets the ball within 15 feet. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Sloan had a reputation of being a hardass (see the John Amaechi story), but Deron's now worse than Lebron ever was. The cavs are going to recover in a few years (perhaps not as good). The Jazz will never be the same, Deron's definitely going to leave. They might as well uproot the franchise, that would have been less of a shock. | ||
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Zim23
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 11 2011 12:30 Zim23 wrote: If Deron leaves after the team clearly chose his side in the battle vs Sloan than he is a superb asshole and I will never respect him. I think Sloan will be scooped up quick by a team this offseason and I expect him to be the new Larry Brown (migrating from team to team, making them better until the players stop listening and he's fired) for the next few years and then retiring. For the love of god please THINK. Coach and player have a disagreement and Coach leaves. The team doesn't win a chip. Deron leaves. How does that make him an asshole? The comment about Sloan being Larry Brown...jeez. Do you even know the background to this entire blow up? same to you igotmyown: What did Deron Williams do that was wrong? | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On February 11 2011 09:24 KWest wrote: How is deron williams an asshole? Just because you have a falling out with your coach, doesnt mean you're an asshole. They're anonymous sources, and hence why I mentioned they're rumors, but some people from within the organization are said to have mentioned that Deron Williams is extremely selfish and doesn't really care for Sloan. Related rumors include that O'Connor is a bit like Jerry Jones when the latter first bought the Cowboys (supposedly since the passing-away of the previous owner), doing something akin to a my way or the highway. The implication is that Sloan's been in a tough spot for the past few years in Utah, as he's not really had unanimous support from the organization. As you may recall, factually the news outlets reported there being two meetings - a halftime conflict between Sloan and Deron, and then a closed-door meeting between Sloan and O'Connor after the game. Again, it's from the rumormill, but people are saying O'Connor was very steadfastly taking the side of Deron, and may have alienated/even terminated Sloan. The end result is that, as you can see, Phil Johnson walked out with Sloan, when in fact he probably should have ended up being the interim coach (which fell onto the 3rd in command instead). Edit: I mean, think about it. Jerry Sloan retired. Wow, a legendary coach, who was in Utah for a long-ass time. Most people even figured Johnson would be the successor, and at the very least if there were to be some sort of time that Sloan would have to miss during a season (illness, etc.) that Johnson would be the interim guy. But no, he left with Sloan. That's not natural. Something's wrong over there. Edit2: I mean, I might be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But if you were to go rank the coaches in the NBA even two days ago and make a list of "coaches that might resign mid-season with no prior notice without citing stuff like health as the primary concern" Jerry Sloan would be like, at the bottom of the list. This is just so uncharacteristic. You can't possibly tell me this doesn't seem fishy. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
This is a classic case of a player and coach butting heads over a long period of frustration. With D-Will overriding his coach that just was the last straw. But this doesn't make him an asshole or a bad guy. Just two people trying to be leaders in different ways that didn't work. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
 I'm not gonna try to pass judgement on Deron Williams based on not knowing jack, hahah.Showdown between Sloan and Williams became so heated Wednesday, at least two Jazz players feared they could come to blows. Never escalated. Well, sad way for Sloan to go regardless. I really hope he continues to coach, but I could also see him just having grown tired of "spoiled athletes" (to use a cliche phrase) these days and call it quits  Especially if that's what led to this split... | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On February 11 2011 10:37 Roffles wrote: Yay for Ray. One more to break the all time record. so beautiful. i shed manly tears | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
Ray Allen is a beast... you saw that dunk towards the end of the game. He just don't give a fuck... win or lose lolz | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Driving out Sloan, who, since Larry Miller passed on, is the Utah Jazz, is a lot worse than using your free agency (lebron). Sloan didn't retire when the Jazz were in their surprisingly successful transition years or when injuries piled up, so it's not like any little thing will make him quit like Larry Brown would. Sloan is the alpha dog, so if management doesn't let him punish Deron like Miller would have, he's out. If say Paul Pierce had driven out Red Auerbach due to butting heads, he'd be worse than Favre. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
On February 11 2011 12:54 Ace wrote: For the love of god please THINK. Coach and player have a disagreement and Coach leaves. The team doesn't win a chip. Deron leaves. How does that make him an asshole? The comment about Sloan being Larry Brown...jeez. Do you even know the background to this entire blow up? same to you igotmyown: What did Deron Williams do that was wrong? Have you read anything about this? Many sources say Sloan left because the team was listening to Deron more than they were to him, AKA they sided with Deron vs a coach that was with them for 2 decades. If he leaves after they lose a Jazz pillar for his sake then YES he's an asshole. If he was pissed at the front office (which he has every right to be) then take it out on them and not the coach. And yeah Sloan says he'll retire etc.. but these coaches never quit. How many times has Larry Brown or Doug Collins retired only to come back? He's coming back for sure. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14896 Posts
On February 11 2011 19:34 Zim23 wrote: Have you read anything about this? Many sources say Sloan left because the team was listening to Deron more than they were to him, AKA they sided with Deron vs a coach that was with them for 2 decades. If he leaves after they lose a Jazz pillar for his sake then YES he's an asshole. If he was pissed at the front office (which he has every right to be) then take it out on them and not the coach. And yeah Sloan says he'll retire etc.. but these coaches never quit. How many times has Larry Brown or Doug Collins retired only to come back? He's coming back for sure. How are you gonna compare Larry Brown or Doug Collins to Jerry Sloan? Dude's been working for 23 years straight with the same team, he's probably just tired and wants to take a nap | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On February 11 2011 16:57 Silentness wrote: Ray Allen is a beast... you saw that dunk towards the end of the game. He just don't give a fuck... win or lose lolz I love Ray Allens dunks, they make me think of college ball the way he hardly makes the rim but throws down like its the last time he will get to do so on national TV. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 11 2011 19:34 Zim23 wrote: Have you read anything about this? Many sources say Sloan left because the team was listening to Deron more than they were to him, AKA they sided with Deron vs a coach that was with them for 2 decades. If he leaves after they lose a Jazz pillar for his sake then YES he's an asshole. If he was pissed at the front office (which he has every right to be) then take it out on them and not the coach. And yeah Sloan says he'll retire etc.. but these coaches never quit. How many times has Larry Brown or Doug Collins retired only to come back? He's coming back for sure. This was bigger than Deron Williams. It was about the Front Office and what went on with player personnel over the last few years. Deron Williams isn't an asshole because he didn't want Jerry Sloan to leave. This was just another typical player vs coach butting heads scenario that went over the line this time. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On February 12 2011 03:05 Holcan wrote: I love Ray Allens dunks, they make me think of college ball the way he hardly makes the rim but throws down like its the last time he will get to do so on national TV. i think he does it the soft way he does because, well, hes pretty old now. no sense is doing what blake does when you have so many more years of wear on your knees and joints. | ||
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