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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 16 2013 02:03 GMT
#7941
Magic Online price is really relative to what you want to do, and how much you want to play, you can play Magic Online for cheap, but you won't be able to utilize all of its modes or features. Will you have a chance, Idk, it really depends on your skill, and if you are playing limited or constructed, etc. What exactly do you want to do with Magic Online?

Magic Planeswalker is a much better initial purchase if your wanting to limit your costs, and will give you more bang for your buck, I think it's a good place to start.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
June 16 2013 03:00 GMT
#7942
I want to play versus low-lvl players, start with a basic deck but being able to win/buy some basic nice cards. The thing that I don't like about Planeswalker is the deck limitation, you can't trade/buy new cards, right?

I also would like to try some booster draft, but you have to buy a ticket to play? And I also would not have any chance winning theses.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 03:30:09
June 16 2013 03:22 GMT
#7943
There is no trading/limited deck building, card collecting etc on Planeswalker, if that's the kind of thing you like then Magic Online is much better.

You can play vs low level players right away on Magic Online, it just depends. You could try the casual room game modes like planeswalker format(there is a planeswalker format on Magic Online for new players that uses cards similar to the planeswalker games), but that has some limitations and you might not always match up vs low level players.

Sometimes players with very strong decks play in the casual room, so you can't always be sure your matched with someone of a similar deck price or skill, it's harder to play casually on magic online than it is with your friends, where it's just fun, and you have "house rules". (No turn 3 combo wins, no 50000$ decks, etc). Maybe someone who plays more casual on MO can share their thoughts.

Drafts are great, they are going to cost you 3 packs + 2 tickets, or 14 tickets I believe so your going to need to do the math and see if that's a good deal for you. You will probably struggle if your new to drafting, and its going to be hard to recoup some of your losses, so I suggest this if you have a bit of disposable income or your not going to be doing it that often. The swiss drafts are the best place to start if your new.

You can win cards, but your going to need a good constructed deck or your going to need to play limited(sealed or draft). Both of these require some amount of financial investment, no format is truly that cheap. Not sure on the current prices to get into formats, but constructed formats have a large up front cost(for the deck) and then tournaments are 6 or 10 tickets each.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 16 2013 04:09 GMT
#7944
Nearheath Pilgrim + Boros Reckoner...why you so good?
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 04:22:08
June 16 2013 04:21 GMT
#7945
On June 16 2013 13:09 Shotcoder wrote:
Nearheath Pilgrim + Boros Reckoner...why you so good?


Because Lightning Helix on a stick is fun times for you and no one else.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 16 2013 13:26 GMT
#7946
On June 16 2013 12:22 BlueBird. wrote:
Maybe someone who plays more casual on MO can share their thoughts.


I have started playing MO about 2 weeks ago, after last playing Magic about 10 years ago. Basically there are 2 casual rooms, 'Just starting out' in which you can play totally fine with the 300 cards you start with, and 'just for fun' where you absolutely need to have a more competitive deck.

I am playing exclusively in the 'just for fun' room now (plus a few phantom DGM sealed). I have spent about 20 event tickets to build a white green token deck on my own. And after a lot of tinkering, I am at about 50% wins. It's lot of fun. But yeah sometimes you get roflstomped by ridiculously strong decks.
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
June 16 2013 16:42 GMT
#7947
I don't really mind being stomped. My only concern right now is having people to play in the casual room. I don't want to buy the game, get a new deck and have to wait 3 days until find anyone at the room.

Other than that, buying a deck is not that expensive. Looks like a good deal to me.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22709 Posts
June 16 2013 16:45 GMT
#7948
"Just for fun" is has plenty of games going whenever i check it as an EU player. Donno how it is for brazil but i would assume its the same. Most are bo1 tho. you might have to wait a bit more if you wanne play bo3
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
June 16 2013 17:00 GMT
#7949
Is region locked? Or I can join the EU/NA server?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#7950
No region locking on MtGO afaik. Just one client and one system.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
June 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#7951
Nice, thank you BlueBird, mavignon, Gorsameth and MoonBear.

I'll wait for after summer sale at steam, If I don't expand too much I will start playing MtGO. Thank you everyone.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 17 2013 03:29 GMT
#7952
So my brother spilled something on a few of my cards, namely 2 Reckoners, A rest in piece, a mizzium mortars, and a dreadbore. What level or water damage is ok for tournament play?
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 17 2013 04:00 GMT
#7953
That's usually at head judge's discretion. I mean it also depends on what kind of sleeves you are using and if it's noticeable from the sleeve itself compared to your other cards. You cannot proxy them to get around that.
Get it by your hands...
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 05:02:43
June 17 2013 04:58 GMT
#7954
On June 16 2013 10:33 NasKe_ wrote:
Hello everyone. Long time bad magic player.
been playing as casual for 5-6 years, but always bad, not having a lot of money to buy cards etc etc. But I really enjoyed watching day[9] play some magic online, and now that I have a extra money I was thinking about playing online.
But here are my question. Should I buy the Magic Planeswalker or the other magic online? Will I have any chance in the Magic Online? Do I have to spend a lot of money buying card etc? I was thinking about buying the Magic Planeswalker 2014 to have some fun in the singleplayer, but if playing Magic Online is cheap and fun I'll give it a try.


MTGO is fun, but I would simply stick to pauper as most of the decks in that format are cheap. The big exception is Delver Blue due to Cloud of Faeries and a few other cards. I basically gave up on trying to put together a standard, modern, or legacy deck because the prices (just like in real Magic) are ridiculous unless you want to play a deck just because it's cheap. For a top tier deck you're looking at the price of a very nice desktop computer for standard (up to ~$700 USD) and the price of two nice computers for a legacy deck (Closer to $1200). Modern isn't quite as bad as legacy, but both of them are quite expensive thanks to dual lands/shocks.

So, my suggestion - if you play MTGO, just play Pauper, or just play DOTP.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
June 17 2013 05:18 GMT
#7955
On June 17 2013 12:29 Shotcoder wrote:
So my brother spilled something on a few of my cards, namely 2 Reckoners, A rest in piece, a mizzium mortars, and a dreadbore. What level or water damage is ok for tournament play?


Depending on how bad the damage is, you might just want to wet them again, then place some fabric over them and use an iron to try to press them back. They're already going to have lost their value, so if the whole card is warped (unplayable) you may as well try to at least get it flat again.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 17 2013 06:00 GMT
#7956
On June 17 2013 14:18 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 12:29 Shotcoder wrote:
So my brother spilled something on a few of my cards, namely 2 Reckoners, A rest in piece, a mizzium mortars, and a dreadbore. What level or water damage is ok for tournament play?


Depending on how bad the damage is, you might just want to wet them again, then place some fabric over them and use an iron to try to press them back. They're already going to have lost their value, so if the whole card is warped (unplayable) you may as well try to at least get it flat again.


It's just one side, I think if I double sleeve them they're still playable but I'll ask the judge to be safe.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24814 Posts
June 17 2013 16:27 GMT
#7957
I'm watching someone draft in a video, and his first pick was progenitor mimic. His second pack featured Emmara Tandris. He makes a passing joke about trying to use them together, then admits it's a bad idea, and picks something else. I would like to try to analyze this decision:

Progenitor mimic is a good card, because you can make a copy of whatever is out on the battlefield, even if it's a strong creature your opponent controls. Furthermore, it makes a copy of itself each following turn, without needing to utilize a populate mechanic.

Emmara Tandris is good if you are using a deck that will have a lot of tokens. If your only tokens are the ones progenitor mimic will be creating, then the odds of taking advantage of her ability are pretty low in a given game. You have to get both creatures out, the progenitor mimic must not get removed before reproducing, and emmara tandris must not get removed before you can utilize her ability. They also open up the deck to a third color which isn't worth it just for a chance to make a token or two unable to take combat damage.

Is my thinking correct?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 17 2013 16:34 GMT
#7958
It's bad because you are taking a 6 drop and then a 7 drop. The payoff isn't that high, it's questionable even if you had a card like Trostani's Summoner. Your line of thinking is fine, but if the mana costs were like 3 and 4 with similar payoffs (scaled down obviously) then it would be different.

You are almost over thinking the situation in only one aspect. It's a combination of likelihood which you already looked at, effect or payoff which you didn't really consider, and finally your draft considerations where you have to consider how a 2nd pick 7 drop affects how you draft later on so you didn't waste your second pick which you really didn't consider at all.

Finally, on a different level, how much is Emmara Tandris contributing to the little synergy, aka do you actually need Tandris to do things with Mimic, how good is Tandris by herself, etc.
Get it by your hands...
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 17 2013 19:45 GMT
#7959
Three major factors:

1. Emmara Tandris is not a very good card in general, it costs 7 and usually does nothing. Its upside is very high because if you have a bunch of token makers, it's great, but even then it's easy to get out-tempo'd or just flown over while you're sitting on one or two indestructible centaurs.

2. The combo with Mimic is what's known as "win more". If you have Mimic making tokens, the game is already over. The synergy with Emmara basically doesn't matter because it's overkill.

3. Colors. Not a big factor since they're both easily splashable 6+-drops in the color which has the best fixing, but you probably want to be cutting Simic so you get more of it in pack 2.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 22:00:33
June 17 2013 21:37 GMT
#7960
Guys, last question

In the casual room, you play standart? I was looking for some cards price online and there's a price difference in each edition, but same card, I think that's kind of weird.

And fuck wizard, I am trying to pay with paypal but the site just go back and my username is take.
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