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On September 23 2010 00:17 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 23:17 ZeaL. wrote:On September 22 2010 16:14 Jibba wrote:On September 22 2010 16:03 freelander wrote:On September 22 2010 11:25 Jibba wrote:
I could never get drawn into the games because of the controls and the interface. The gameplay in that video does look impressive, but until I see decent PC controls, it's no go for me. :| what that's the worse excuse for not playing it ever I played it, it just felt like shit. It's a slow game with a clunky UI and forced acceleration, because the controls and everything else are designed for the console and direct ported over. It's also monumentally easy because of that, but being arbitrarily handicapped like that is not fun when you're used to serious shooters. It's like playing basketball with an underinflated ball. Exactly. I really enjoyed Bioshock 1's story but the gameplay was really uninspiring. Play some CS and then go play some Bioshock and tell me that the controls don't feel clunky and slow and inaccurate. Yeah. It doesn't need to be fast paced, it just needs to feel like I'm moving 1:1. Deadspace is like that too. I loved listening to the tapes and everything in Bioshock 1. I took in the environment as much as I could.
Who shot in Bioshock anyway? All you need is the wrench and the shotgun for the big daddys.
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It's the looking around part. You could have a weapon with a huge ass crosshair and achieve the same effect on accuracy, but I'd still prefer that over the acceleration + small crosshair. It's weird to think about it this way, but looking around is tied directly to your hand, so your hand almost becomes your neck. I want it done with 1:1 movements, or else it feels a bit like being drunk.
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I know exactly what you mean; I've played FPS competitively. I even had to find out how to turn off mouse acceleration in win7 even though I don't play FPS much anymore.
However, I think it's a little extreme to not enjoy a great game for that reason. Bioshock is fun and has a great story. I don't get concerned over small control problems because even the hardest difficulty doesn't take much FPS skill. I think you should be more concerned about games that actually have bad controls or are terrible console ports.
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That was probably the best trailer I've ever seen. Looks amazing!
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On September 23 2010 02:32 Durak wrote:
I know exactly what you mean; I've played FPS competitively. I even had to find out how to turn off mouse acceleration in win7 even though I don't play FPS much anymore.
However, I think it's a little extreme to not enjoy a great game for that reason. Bioshock is fun and has a great story. I don't get concerned over small control problems because even the hardest difficulty doesn't take much FPS skill. I think you should be more concerned about games that actually have bad controls or are terrible console ports.
Well, so should I judge the game for graphics and environment rather than difficulty and controls? o.o
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On September 23 2010 03:10 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 02:32 Durak wrote:
I know exactly what you mean; I've played FPS competitively. I even had to find out how to turn off mouse acceleration in win7 even though I don't play FPS much anymore.
However, I think it's a little extreme to not enjoy a great game for that reason. Bioshock is fun and has a great story. I don't get concerned over small control problems because even the hardest difficulty doesn't take much FPS skill. I think you should be more concerned about games that actually have bad controls or are terrible console ports. Well, so should I judge the game for graphics and environment rather than difficulty and controls? o.o
Depends what you're playing the game for. The Bioshock series is especially good with it's story and engrossing environment. If you want an FPS that's challenging and more realistic, play CS or MW2. Don't simply judge a game by it's genre but more for what it's supposed to play like.
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On September 23 2010 03:50 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 03:10 Jibba wrote:On September 23 2010 02:32 Durak wrote:
I know exactly what you mean; I've played FPS competitively. I even had to find out how to turn off mouse acceleration in win7 even though I don't play FPS much anymore.
However, I think it's a little extreme to not enjoy a great game for that reason. Bioshock is fun and has a great story. I don't get concerned over small control problems because even the hardest difficulty doesn't take much FPS skill. I think you should be more concerned about games that actually have bad controls or are terrible console ports. Well, so should I judge the game for graphics and environment rather than difficulty and controls? o.o Depends what you're playing the game for. The Bioshock series is especially good with it's story and engrossing environment. If you want an FPS that's challenging and more realistic, play CS or MW2. Don't simply judge a game by it's genre but more for what it's supposed to play like.
I won't disagree, Bioshock's high point is its story and unique environment but the extreeeeeemely clunky controls are very distracting. If they had just spent the time to get the mouse look smooth it would have been a much better experience.
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On September 23 2010 04:25 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 03:50 Durak wrote:On September 23 2010 03:10 Jibba wrote:On September 23 2010 02:32 Durak wrote:
I know exactly what you mean; I've played FPS competitively. I even had to find out how to turn off mouse acceleration in win7 even though I don't play FPS much anymore.
However, I think it's a little extreme to not enjoy a great game for that reason. Bioshock is fun and has a great story. I don't get concerned over small control problems because even the hardest difficulty doesn't take much FPS skill. I think you should be more concerned about games that actually have bad controls or are terrible console ports. Well, so should I judge the game for graphics and environment rather than difficulty and controls? o.o Depends what you're playing the game for. The Bioshock series is especially good with it's story and engrossing environment. If you want an FPS that's challenging and more realistic, play CS or MW2. Don't simply judge a game by it's genre but more for what it's supposed to play like. I won't disagree, Bioshock's high point is its story and unique environment but the extreeeeeemely clunky controls are very distracting. If they had just spent the time to get the mouse look smooth it would have been a much better experience.
I agree. However, I'd still rather read a good book that has some smudges and torn pages than skip it completely. There are much worse, practically unplayable, console ports that are worth skipping but I wouldn't skip Bioshock. (Unless you just decide to watch videos of people playing instead. Whatever floats your boat  )
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Why not just play it...on the 360? Thats what I would think would make it the best experience.
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On September 23 2010 04:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Why not just play it...on the 360? Thats what I would think would make it the best experience.
I disagree.. I'd say a nice graphics card on a computer with a good monitor is going to be awesome. Plus you get the control from a keyboard that you just can't get on a 360 controller. I'm sure they'll fix the mouse difficulties with this one..
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This game looks so fucking amazing. Gameplay seems sweet. All that it needs is a story half as good as BS1.
Other than that, the only problem with the game is the name of the city... I can't take "Columbia" seriously.
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I really really really loved Bioshock 1. It really felt completely fresh and new, the style of the graphics were really unique and the story was just absolutely awesome.
But I was super bored out of Bioshock 2.
Caution: Semi-review of Bioshock 2 incoming. I'd love to hear your opinion on my points and see if I'm not alone with my feelings about B2 here since it too (along with DAO) was really overhyped game in my opinion.
+ Show Spoiler +I just finished it because I bought the game and didn't want to put it on the shelves knowing that I'd just wasted a lot of money. Bioshock 2 felt to me like a subpar continuation in every way possible. Inferior story (inferior characters + the endings sucked big time imo), inferior atmosphere (the fact that you're a big daddy and the fact that said fact was constantly brought to the players attention with the constant loud noises you made with your boots and the fact that you had a big fucking drill on your arm basically made it impossible for me to be scared or thrilled in this game, which was a big part of the atmosphere in game 1 for me), inferior gameplay (I absolutely hated the "protecting little sister" stuff etc. It was soooo repetetive. Also somehow the Big Sisters weren't creepy at all. The Big Daddies impressed me much more, with their low,deep growl and bulky look etc.), inferior urge to explore the levels, it also seemed to be a LOT less difficult and that means it was way too easy for me. Plus, this time the graphics just looked shitty and outdated to me. The unique look it once was had lost its flair to super low res textures that were attempted to be overshadowed with lots of shiny shaders.
The random freezes/crashes also put me off a lot, that stuff didn't happen to me at all in Bioshock 1, while 2 was constantly crashing when I was saving games.
Infinite is really a new hope for me in that regard, as I expected so much more from Bioshock 2. The graphical design once again totally blows me away (like really, I had like thiiiiiiiiiis big eyes O_O during the 9min gameplay trailer) and it looks like the gameplay is going to get some more good quirks added (a useful companion and most important of all WTF ACTUALLY USEFUL TELEKINESIS? I hated that all you could throw around in bioshock 1/2 were crates or some other little item that was lying around. like wtf man I wanna go yoda and throw a building at people. throwing a huge pile of rubble on the street is a good start).
The setting also seems very interesting. The way the barkeeper (or whoever that dude was) reacted when he saw you "wtf man get out of here!" really makes me feel like you're really going to feel like an outsider in this game. and man the new "big daddy"s looked awesome.
If the actual game is anything close to the kind of cinematic experience the trailer offers, it's probably going to blow me away just as Bioshock 1 did.
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Just give me bioshock 1 in the sky and I'll be happy. Bioshock 2 was so mediocre in all aspects compared to the original it's not even funny.
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That gameplay movie looks frikking awesome. Those Big daddy battles looks ten times more intense than the first few in the first game.
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I am trying to decide if I should start playing the Bioshock series.
Do you think if I do I should skip BS2 and go straight to infinite after bs 1?
Is it enough if I read the story happenings of BS2 and skip the mediocre game?
Here a lot of you said it sucked.
thx
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I wouldn't say Bioshock 2 sucked so much as it didn't live up to the innovation and excitement created by Bioshock 1.
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I like the steam punk influence. Going to need a new pc though :\
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On September 29 2010 08:34 freelander wrote:
I am trying to decide if I should start playing the Bioshock series.
Do you think if I do I should skip BS2 and go straight to infinite after bs 1?
Is it enough if I read the story happenings of BS2 and skip the mediocre game?
Here a lot of you said it sucked.
thx
The real question is: have you played System Shock 2
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