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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
April 28 2013 07:09 GMT
#821
On April 20 2013 02:56 PassiveAce wrote:
I will never understand why some people prefer aiming with a stick rather then a mouse.


I play single player games like that with a controller. It's just a lot more comfortable for long hours at a time. Anything competitive i use m/k. I assume a lot of people do this.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
April 28 2013 07:17 GMT
#822
On April 28 2013 16:09 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 02:56 PassiveAce wrote:
I will never understand why some people prefer aiming with a stick rather then a mouse.


I play single player games like that with a controller. It's just a lot more comfortable for long hours at a time. Anything competitive i use m/k. I assume a lot of people do this.


Curious about this - more comfortable as in, you can go lay down on a couch or whatever? Or better for your actual hands, ie carpal tunnel/wrists etc?
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
April 28 2013 22:40 GMT
#823
On April 28 2013 16:17 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 16:09 Infernal_dream wrote:
On April 20 2013 02:56 PassiveAce wrote:
I will never understand why some people prefer aiming with a stick rather then a mouse.


I play single player games like that with a controller. It's just a lot more comfortable for long hours at a time. Anything competitive i use m/k. I assume a lot of people do this.


Curious about this - more comfortable as in, you can go lay down on a couch or whatever? Or better for your actual hands, ie carpal tunnel/wrists etc?


Hands.
vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
May 03 2013 21:12 GMT
#824
Just done with the game..mind blown
Somethings are just worth fighting for
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 19 2013 14:32 GMT
#825
To think that people complained about Mass Effect 3 ending. Oh boy. This was a whole new level of absurd.

That said, everything apart from the last 30 minutes was pretty enjoyable.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 16:41:37
July 15 2013 16:41 GMT
#826
This game was my favorite single player game I've played since.... I really don't know when.

This is going to be just some very unstructured thoughts, so don't feel the need to comment, I just wanted to write something.

I don't like tinkering with gear or figuring out optimal combinations. I don't want to master the combat system in a single player game, I'd rather play on lower difficulty and play it the way I want it, rather than play single player games optimally.

To me a lot of the things complained about in this thread, are features.

I don't want open worlds, I really loved that "n" button to point me in the right direction. I don't like running out of ammo because I didn't conserve it or something, I just want to sit back and enjoy the ride. I don't like side-quests or exploring, I just want to be told a story.

To me, if you tell me a game is linear, you've caught my attention. If you tell me the combat system is non-intrusive to the story, well now I'm really listening. I've been burned many times because of my unusual opinions about gameplay in general. People seemed to like skyrim, or dragon age. But any game that makes me care about what pants I have on, is a game that just annoys me. I realize there is some gear in BI, but I honestly couldn't tell you what shit I had on by the end of the game. I also used mostly just one spell and the same two guns throughout the game.

That's not to say I didn't enjoy shooting a bunch of bad guys, that's always enjoyable, and I did after the first hour or so crank the difficulty up to medium just to have a bit of a challenge. But I'm really, really not into learning a combat system for a game I will only play for a few hours.

I'm a gamer, but spending time on improving a character is only something I'd do in an mmo I intend to invest hundreds or thousands of hours into, and as for getting good at game systems, I reserve that for the likes of dota and starcraft, games I will replay a million times.

I love reading books, watching movies, and sometimes, playing the occasional gem of a single player game. I consider playing BI more similar to reading a book than playing dota. And I consider playing dota more similar to playing sports than playing BI.

I loved the setting, I really fucking loved the music, the music set such a feel for the game. I think beyond everything else the music is what made this game. The amazing and beautiful dystopia of columbia was great too.

The story was very intriguing, it was told in a manner that kept me interested throughout the game. I'm not the kind of person who enjoys trying to guess plot-twists before they happen, so I genuinely get to experience the wonder and surprise of each revelation, right to the end of the game I had no real idea what was up, and I had a serious case of mind: blown once it was over.

I really, really like being told stories, I'm probably easy to impress because my imagination takes me out and beyond whatever flaws the story may have. Bioshock Infinite told me an engaging, touching and interesting story, like almost no video games have done before it. I loved every second of it.

My favorite little nugget from the game:

+ Show Spoiler +

When you first enter columbia, you hear that old christian hymn being sung, and immediately make the connection "there's a better home awaiting, in the sky lord, in the sky" to Columbia.

When the end credits roll around you realize those weren't the lines most relevant to the game from the song, instead the title itself "will the circle be unbroken".

This is the kind of thing that just really gets to me.


Anyway, sorry for the rant, loved the game.

Computer says mafia
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 15 2013 16:52 GMT
#827
I don't know why this game was so hyped. It was really disappointing. Too linear, too little gameplay, and when it was gameplay it was boring as hell, and the story was pretty predictable.
I bought a new graphics card to play this game and Blood Dragon(they followed the card, and were the reason why I decided to buy it), and this game disappointed me like fuck, while Blood Dragon wouldn't let me load my save files. I'm so sick of how the gaming business is these days, bad, unpolished games hyped as fuck, and everyone is like "this is the best game ever, WOW!!!" and then a few weeks later it's a new game that is being hyped and will be the "best game ever".
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 15 2013 19:10 GMT
#828
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
I don't know why this game was so hyped. It was really disappointing. Too linear,


That's good in my book

On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
too little gameplay

Again, good

On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
and when it was gameplay it was boring as hell,

To each his own, I find shooting people with guns to be somewhat fun, and I liked the skyhooks

On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
and the story was pretty predictable.

Only if you're the type of person who cannot stop himself trying to figure everything out. I've never really understood this. And it's not like I'm dumb or anything, I make a living figuring things out, but when it comes to being told a story I just intentionally shut off my brain thinking about all scenarios.

On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
I bought a new graphics card to play this game and Blood Dragon(they followed the card, and were the reason why I decided to buy it), and this game disappointed me like fuck, while Blood Dragon wouldn't let me load my save files. I'm so sick of how the gaming business is these days, bad, unpolished games hyped as fuck, and everyone is like "this is the best game ever, WOW!!!" and then a few weeks later it's a new game that is being hyped and will be the "best game ever".


The reason people say "This is the best game ever" is maybe because people enjoy the game? I didn't even care when this game came out because multiple boring games had led to me just thinking that maybe I just don't enjoy today's version of single player games. I just randomly picked it up at the steam sale, and it was amazing.

The reason I'm replying to you is not that I want you to change your opinion or anything, I'm simply highlighting how different things work for different people.

If a game doesn't work for you, it's not really a problem with the industry, they're just catering to someone other than you. Some very popular games I find mind-numbingly boring, but that doesn't mean they're bad games, they're just made for other people than me. Saints row: The Third, Skyrim, league of legends are three very different games I've tried and gotten really annoyed with or bored of, yet they're all very popular. That's not because "they're a problem with the gaming industry today". It just means they don't work for me, despite working for a lot of other people

Thank god we're not all the same huh?
Computer says mafia
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 16 2013 21:36 GMT
#829
On July 16 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
I don't know why this game was so hyped. It was really disappointing. Too linear,


That's good in my book

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
too little gameplay

Again, good

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
and when it was gameplay it was boring as hell,

To each his own, I find shooting people with guns to be somewhat fun, and I liked the skyhooks

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
and the story was pretty predictable.

Only if you're the type of person who cannot stop himself trying to figure everything out. I've never really understood this. And it's not like I'm dumb or anything, I make a living figuring things out, but when it comes to being told a story I just intentionally shut off my brain thinking about all scenarios.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 01:52 Arnstein wrote:
I bought a new graphics card to play this game and Blood Dragon(they followed the card, and were the reason why I decided to buy it), and this game disappointed me like fuck, while Blood Dragon wouldn't let me load my save files. I'm so sick of how the gaming business is these days, bad, unpolished games hyped as fuck, and everyone is like "this is the best game ever, WOW!!!" and then a few weeks later it's a new game that is being hyped and will be the "best game ever".


The reason people say "This is the best game ever" is maybe because people enjoy the game? I didn't even care when this game came out because multiple boring games had led to me just thinking that maybe I just don't enjoy today's version of single player games. I just randomly picked it up at the steam sale, and it was amazing.

The reason I'm replying to you is not that I want you to change your opinion or anything, I'm simply highlighting how different things work for different people.

If a game doesn't work for you, it's not really a problem with the industry, they're just catering to someone other than you. Some very popular games I find mind-numbingly boring, but that doesn't mean they're bad games, they're just made for other people than me. Saints row: The Third, Skyrim, league of legends are three very different games I've tried and gotten really annoyed with or bored of, yet they're all very popular. That's not because "they're a problem with the gaming industry today". It just means they don't work for me, despite working for a lot of other people

Thank god we're not all the same huh?


Well, too linear was maybe not the right words. I mean, Half-Life 2 is very linear, but it was still a fucking amazing game! Hell, even the first Bioshock was very linear, but still, it was a good game. But it was something about the linearity in this game that made it bad. I don't know exactly what.

I just don't like that the gaming industry have turned into the same thing that action movies were in the 80s/90s, just action-packed blockbusters that would kill your time, but wouldn't blow your mind with a new and cool thing. A game (or movie) like that doesn't deserve to be called greatest game of the year, or even worse, greatest game EVER.

But hey, at least we still see good indie games being released
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
July 17 2013 08:57 GMT
#830
On July 16 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote:
Only if you're the type of person who cannot stop himself trying to figure everything out. I've never really understood this. And it's not like I'm dumb or anything, I make a living figuring things out, but when it comes to being told a story I just intentionally shut off my brain thinking about all scenarios.


I do the same normally, but when the story bends the logic of its own premises in an attempt to create some kind of a pretentiously overplayed twist, the entire story and setting that were established during the game just crumble as a result. This is why I compared it to Mass Effect 3 (or Lost) - it's a classic story of overreaching authors that run themselves into a proverbial dead end and then decide to just wing it from there.

Stories are about characters and relationships. The protagonists and their relationship in BI as they travel together was masterfully done in my opinion, but in the end it was rendered completely meaningless and thrown away in favor of some flashy twist in a very poorly developed background plot.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 12:13:51
July 30 2013 12:13 GMT
#831
DLC's announced. Challenge map out today for 5 bucks, Story DLC later on.

Trailers & Article:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/30/bioshock-infinite-challenge-maps-out-today-story-dlc-soon?

“It’s really a story of Booker and Elizabeth again, but set against the backdrop of pre-fall Rapture,” Levine told IGN, “and to have an extended period in pre-fall Rapture without combat, where you’re just living in the space, like you got to sort of live in Columbia at the beginning of the game. Which nobody has ever been able to do before, with those systems and that technology. My favorite BioShock quest is actually in that part, with no combat. He meets an old friend from BioShock 1. Not a very nice friend, but a friend. And in the second half, it takes place in a department store, a Fontaine department store that’s been shuttered and sunk to the bottom of the ocean by Ryan after he takes over. All of Fontaine’s cronies are put into that department store, so that place has gone to hell. It’s very traditional BioShock 1. They’re all spliced up down there. They’re all crazy. You get this mix of pristine Rapture and a very traditional Rapture experience, in a pretty organic story.”
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
July 30 2013 12:22 GMT
#832
Why would they make combat challenge DLC for this? Combat was easily the worst part of the game. Alternate reality story in pre-fall Rapture sounds like it could be really interesting though.

Also trailers for both DLCs:
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 30 2013 12:30 GMT
#833
On July 30 2013 21:22 imallinson wrote:
Why would they make combat challenge DLC for this? Combat was easily the worst part of the game. Alternate reality story in pre-fall Rapture sounds like it could be really interesting though.

Also trailers for both DLCs:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MviAG078gE

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElvkqE3PwQo


I agree, but i don't think its a bad thing that they make something like that. They did say that they want to "prove how fun the combat actually is". So i'm fine with them pushing out something like this, but i won't be buying it though.

"So I thought, maybe we can do something where we give the player the opportunity to just play with the full toolset, and all of the powers and upgrades and everything, and create far more challenging gameplay for them," he said. "So with that in mind, we gathered up the people really specialized in combat on Infinite and essentially told them the gloves were off, you guys can make whatever you want."


Another article

Thanks for linking the Youtube Trailers btw. I was too lazy to dig them up and just linked the article with the trailers.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
July 30 2013 15:14 GMT
#834
So I just finished Fringe and
+ Show Spoiler +
oh boy, I thought it couldn’t get any worse after the 3rd season, how silly of me. Despite my reservations concerning the conclusion of Bioshock: Infinte it doesn’t even come close to the mumbo jumbo that is Fringe. On the other hand, if you liked Fringe you’re going to LOVE this game .D
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
July 31 2013 07:21 GMT
#835
I just bought the season pass! I'm so excited!!
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PhoenixHope
Profile Joined July 2013
Canada50 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 08:30:44
September 25 2013 11:25 GMT
#836
Primarily for people living in the USA, there is a sale pack of Bioshock 1,2 & 3 for $20 from amazon.com [LINK]
You can get it in Canada too like I have in the past by listing a U.S address.
edit*no longer on sale
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
September 25 2013 11:54 GMT
#837
Anyone from the US that could buy it for me? I could pay via paypal.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
September 25 2013 12:17 GMT
#838
On September 25 2013 20:54 Yuljan wrote:
Anyone from the US that could buy it for me? I could pay via paypal.

Just use an American address and you can purchase and download them yourself!
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
September 25 2013 12:26 GMT
#839
On September 25 2013 21:17 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 20:54 Yuljan wrote:
Anyone from the US that could buy it for me? I could pay via paypal.

Just use an American address and you can purchase and download them yourself!


I dont have a credit card. We dont use them much over here.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
November 13 2013 04:30 GMT
#840
Anyone tried the DLC ?
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