On October 10 2010 19:25 SuperArc wrote: lol the most important thing for a football player is the world cup
World Cups are just tournaments every player would love to win due to fame(and even that differs from player to player, just look @ Mehmet Scholl), nothing else. You do not become a great player when you play up to 7 good games every 4 years. But due to the rarity of World Cups and due to the bigger fanbase you will be remembered if you win(and only then), that's why players care about it. Every 4 years. No player gives a fuck about World Cups at the moment, and they won't the next 3,5 years.
You become a great player when you prove your worth week to week at the highest level in football, which means the big leagues and Champions League(CL is qualitywise the hardest cup to win by far). That's where 95% of your career happens, that's where you earn your money, that's where you want to shine when you want to be recognized as a great player. That's where players like Xavi, Messi or C.Ronaldo earned their status. Xavi now confirmed the status he has for several years by winning a WC, he didn't attain it there.
Klose fails at club level right now, and you can see it even in this thread - he is not recognized as a great player, only because he played a few good World Cups.
Oh yeah, Maradonna, Pele, Zidane all become big by winning CL. I totally forgot that!
Hell, tons of players say they'd trade their CL title for a WC title.
Everyone would trade CL for a WC that's not even a question. But actually neither mean shit. And how can you say the CL is the hardest thing to win. Tell that to Porto, tell that to Inter Milan. You think Inter Milan last season could win the Premiership against Chelsea? Or LaLiga against Barcelona? No ofc they couldn't. It's a completely different defensive based game that requires a different style. Legendary players are great over their whole careers. Klose isn't one of those players.
On October 10 2010 21:02 SuperArc wrote: Oh yeah, Maradonna, Pele, Zidane all become big by winning CL. I totally forgot that!
Hell, tons of players say they'd trade their CL title for a WC title.
Zidane did become big by playing exceptionally well at Juve, yes. The WC+EC was a nice boost, and he attained his legendary status at Real. Without his time at Real he would have never been remembered as the best of his time.
But according to your logic Podolski must be a great player and one of the very best, he played a good World Cup afterall! Who are Messi or Eto'o, they didn't do it so they are not nearly as good, right?
€ Heh, someone is still bitter about last CL :p Yes, Inter was better than any english team, no doubt. They dominated Chelsea in both games, owned Barca at home and played one really defensive game, that was @ Barcelona.
You can't compare Inter winning to Porto, Porto is comparable to Greece 04(which was the same year as Porto, a really weird year for football), or Germany reaching finals 02 with a really crappy team.
On October 10 2010 21:02 SuperArc wrote: Oh yeah, Maradonna, Pele, Zidane all become big by winning CL. I totally forgot that!
Hell, tons of players say they'd trade their CL title for a WC title.
Zidane did become big by playing exceptionally well at Juve, yes. The WC+EC was a nice boost, and he attained his legendary status at Real. Without his time at Real he would have never been remembered as the best of his time.
But according to your logic Podolski must be a great player and one of the very best, he played a good World Cup afterall! Who are Messi or Eto'o, they didn't do it so they are not nearly as good, right?
€ Heh, someone is still bitter about last CL :p Yes, Inter was better than any english team, no doubt. They dominated Chelsea in both games, owned Barca at home and played one really defensive game, that was @ Barcelona.
You can't compare Inter winning to Porto, Porto is comparable to Greece 04(which was the same year as Porto, a really weird year for football), or Germany reaching finals 02 with a really crappy team.
Kinda makes me sad to see you are a German and know so little about football... :/
On October 10 2010 21:48 MooCow wrote: Why? What in that post makes him knows so little about football..?
Well the fact that he thinks Euro is in the same league as a WC? Or Germany having a crappy team in 2002. Or calling winning WC+EC in a row a "nice boost". Or thinking Porto in '04 was a unique case. Thinking Zidane only become big cause he was in Real.
Porto 04 had an easy path to the CL, but they were a pretty good team, starting with the coach.
That team had Vitor Baia (best Portuguese GK ever), Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira (at the time considered one of the best right backs in Europe and €20 million price tag), Bosingwa, Deco, Alenichev, Maniche, Costinha, Benni McCarthy and Hugo Almeida. All of which shined for their clubs before/after and internationally.
And I hate Porto.
On the topic, I think CLs and WCs mattered more before Bosman law and before cable TV. Before you'd only watch Pelé play in the WC. Imagine today only having the chance of watching Messi play in the WC - that would suck major balls. Now everyone of us has access to 50 games a season worth of Messi, watching him in the WC isn't that special.
It's all relative. I think a lot of people from Liverpool would rather win the Premiership than the CL. A lot of English people don't care about their NT, so they'd rather win Premierships and CLs than Euros or WCs. Continentals take it differently.
On October 10 2010 21:48 MooCow wrote: Why? What in that post makes him knows so little about football..?
Well the fact that he thinks Euro is in the same league as a WC? Or Germany having a crappy team in 2002. Or calling winning WC+EC in a row a "nice boost". Or thinking Porto in '04 was a unique case. Thinking Zidane only become big cause he was in Real.
I could go on and find a lot more.
1)I've never compared EC+WC lol 2) They had one, Ballack+Kahn does not make a great team. Schneider was decent, Hamann aswell, and Klose good in the groupstage, but not afterwards. The rest sucked. 3+5)So it was no boost to his career? And I've never said that he became big because he was @ Real(that would contradict #3), but that time on top of his career made him the untouchable legend he is. Not only winning WC98, like you mentioned. I said that he was already big when he played for Juve... 4) Porto was a unique case, it is the greatest upset in CL-history. Dortmund and Ajax were not really upsets, and they are the only ones that might come close.
@ warding With Bosman you mention a really good point, that's the time where club football really took off and became more and more important. As you say, back in the 50's club football was not really much evolved, it was not nearly as concentrated to few leagues like it is now.
Unlike the Montenegro vs England game, which was reallllllllly dull. Wish Jovetić or Vucinic was fit or something to make the game better.
Whoa at Italy and Serbia apparently they had to cancel the game because the Serbian fans were throwing flairs and smoke bombs, only managed to catch the riot police coming in and the match ending.
On October 13 2010 06:04 MooCow wrote: Unlike the Montenegro vs England game, which was reallllllllly dull. Wish Jovetić or Vucinic was fit or something to make the game better.
Whoa at Italy and Serbia apparently they had to cancel the game because the Serbian fans were throwing flairs and smoke bombs, only managed to catch the riot police coming in and the match ending.
ye that's what i was laughing at not the post above me ;3
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