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On October 04 2010 02:38 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 02:12 Freaky[x] wrote:
I'm actually happy how Arsenal played. Just lack a little and I mean just a little thing. The second goal was stupid. Song moved out of the way and arshavin didn't go behind the chelsea player. The wall was garbage.
I hope Arshavin gets injured or leaves the club, he's great at shooting, but he doesn't appear to know how to beat defencemen 1on1, his passing in our own half is non existant or to the other team and he puts himself in a very tight position which closes the play on his teammates =(.
Anyways I'm happy for Chamakh who played EXCELLENT, could have easily scored 2-3 goals (headers) but needs to shoot more when he gets the ball to his feet. He needs to try and turn and shoot or simply run WITH the ball and shoot.
Fabianski played very well and I mean very well. It's hard to blame him for the loss, he actually saved arsenal on 1-2 occasions, I'm actually proud of him :D.
The Arsenal defense was great and VERY tightly organized, the offside traps worked great. Arsenal players in general played well. The youngest one on the pitch Wilshere will be a monster by the end of the season and showed great skills and has a bright future.
One thing I'm happy about is that slowly Arsenal are showing signs of a team that HATES losing. That's always something positive and usually translates into championship, let's hope for that.
chamakh played well? wtf? IMO he was the difference today... in a NEGATIVE way. we should have been 1-0 up within 2 mins but he's useless. he missed a run and wasted a PERFECT pass by nasri. then when wilshere passed to him with an open goal he took like 3 touched before ramires tackled him, WTF? those errors aren't completely inexcusable, but he's a god damn striker. as i've said before and ill say it again... the need for a PROPER striker at arsenal is more than the need for a goalkeeper IMO. beside the fact that rvp is ALWAYS injured, he's more of a second striker... and chamakh is basically a 2nd striker who happens to be good at heading. if we had a good finisher today we could've scored at least 3. too bad chamakh is useless
Im with you I dont know what pipe of opitmism the other guys are smoking but Chamakh fucking sucked. I had this type of optimism when we let Henry go because Adebayor was a fucking beast and when he left we had Van Persie and now that hes out we get this Chamakh kid whose a fucking Bendtner type another guy I fucking hate. Any of those guys I mentioned above would have scored at least 1 goal with the chances he had today probably 2. How many fucking chances do goal socreres need nowdays? Id ship both in a heartbeat ill even take Rooney over these clowns.
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I will say this once, a player who isn't afraid and is getting opportunities and is trying to score and gets really close everytime he tried in 1 game against TOP defensemen tells me he's doing something right and it just didn't click this time.
First of all, the only thing i don't like about Chamakh is that he sometimes tries to go for the fake, then puts the ball on the other leg then shoot, but you know what every arsenal player does this and he wasn't brought to Arsenal for those strengths. He came to Arsenal to help in the air both defensively and offensively and to make runs where he just shoots the ball one time.
Over the course of the next few months, Chamakh will LEARN to play at a much higher level. The thing is vs Chelsea, you need a big presence up front because the Arsenal players are midgets and the chelsea players are giants. Chamakh brought that today and he also showed something that no other Arsenal player did today. He was almost ALWAYS the first one with the header when crosses came in and that is a route of attack Arsenal NEVER had except when Adebayor and Bendtner were there. You might not like those type of players but when you're down 1-0 and you're pressing hard those are the players with the biggest probability of scoring.
Look at how chelsea played, defend defend then counter. They expected arsenal to pass the ball around, lose it counter and score. What happened in the first 10 minutes was that Arsenal played high balls to chamakh and within seconds of the official game whistle he almost scored and then 1 minute later he set up Koscielski (spelling) who missed an open net with his head.
Instead of expecting Chamakh to do everything up front, you need Arshavin to provide width and open wide to help chamakh gain some ground but he's a fucking lazy bastard that sits near the midline and doesn't want to open wide (although he had 1 good shot during the game which could have gone in).
Anyways, today was an unlucky day for Chamakh, next time he'll score and score and all of the critics will keep their mouth shut.
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didn't watch the first 30 min, but he was bad?
to me he looked like he missed one header he should've scored, and that's about it.. i thought arshavin was the worst one out of the team he just kept losing the ball
chamakh's a valuable player. i mean arsenal was pretty much one dimensional when attacking, but he provides an air threat much like adebayor was when he played in arsenal.. he had a couple of chances with the header, and that wouldn't have happened in the first place had we not had someone strong in the air like him.
but again, i'm just basing this off the latter half performance..
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What the fuck is up with Eto'o? He's in the form of his life, I've never seen him this awesome. He's skipping past defenders in a way that would make Messi jealous. ^__^
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lol at Liverpool in relegation zone, feel a little sorry for Hodgson
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On October 04 2010 03:21 Freaky[x] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will say this once, a player who isn't afraid and is getting opportunities and is trying to score and gets really close everytime he tried in 1 game against TOP defensemen tells me he's doing something right and it just didn't click this time.
First of all, the only thing i don't like about Chamakh is that he sometimes tries to go for the fake, then puts the ball on the other leg then shoot, but you know what every arsenal player does this and he wasn't brought to Arsenal for those strengths. He came to Arsenal to help in the air both defensively and offensively and to make runs where he just shoots the ball one time.
Over the course of the next few months, Chamakh will LEARN to play at a much higher level. The thing is vs Chelsea, you need a big presence up front because the Arsenal players are midgets and the chelsea players are giants. Chamakh brought that today and he also showed something that no other Arsenal player did today. He was almost ALWAYS the first one with the header when crosses came in and that is a route of attack Arsenal NEVER had except when Adebayor and Bendtner were there. You might not like those type of players but when you're down 1-0 and you're pressing hard those are the players with the biggest probability of scoring.
Look at how chelsea played, defend defend then counter. They expected arsenal to pass the ball around, lose it counter and score. What happened in the first 10 minutes was that Arsenal played high balls to chamakh and within seconds of the official game whistle he almost scored and then 1 minute later he set up Koscielski (spelling) who missed an open net with his head.
Instead of expecting Chamakh to do everything up front, you need Arshavin to provide width and open wide to help chamakh gain some ground but he's a fucking lazy bastard that sits near the midline and doesn't want to open wide (although he had 1 good shot during the game which could have gone in).
Anyways, today was an unlucky day for Chamakh, next time he'll score and score and all of the critics will keep their mouth shut.
You raise good points and you might be right that we are unfairly judging him after such a short sample of games after all he was a pretty good finisher for Bordeaux but this game ment a lot even though it was early in the season. I feel like we played better at least until the first goal and Chelsea has had our number lately so to lose the game the way we did was disapointing and you cant deny that Chamekh chocked and like I said in my post I cant help but feel that the strikers we had in the past would have easily convereted at least one of those chances. Its no use if the team creates all those chances but the guy up front cant put them in the net. I hope your right though and Chamakh learns to play at a higher level as you say or just score some fucking goals because no one can question his talents but either you have a strikers touch or you dont. The boss seems to agree, here are some quotes taken from foxsportsworld.com its pretty much Wenger saying the same thing in 10 different ways.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger insisted that his side must become more clinical in front of goal if they are to win the title.
Wenger watched his side dominate for long periods before a 40th minute goal from Didier Drogba, his 13th in 11 starts against the Gunners, and an impressive 30-yard free-kick from defender Alex condemned them to their second successive defeat. Wenger admitted that unless they can produce some clinical finishing in front of goal, then they will struggle to lift the title.
"We have to be more clinical to win Championships," said Wenger. "We cannot lose a game like that.
"Their strikers were more clinical than ours and that made the difference. Apart from that, Chelsea were on the ropes for long periods in the game.
"We had the chances but we need to score. I feel sorry for my team because they had an outstanding attitude.
"I feel sorry they were not rewarded but when you don't take your chances you don't win big games."
The Frenchman continued: "We dominated the game, surprisingly easily, but we go home with zero points.
"The players on the pitch had enough quality to win this game. But we have to transform that into points. It was not a decisive game in terms of the title as Chelsea can drop points as well.
"Chelsea took advantage up front, they were much more clinical than us.
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I hope they suspend de Jong for life.
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On October 04 2010 03:21 Freaky[x] wrote:
I will say this once, a player who isn't afraid and is getting opportunities and is trying to score and gets really close everytime he tried in 1 game against TOP defensemen tells me he's doing something right and it just didn't click this time.
First of all, the only thing i don't like about Chamakh is that he sometimes tries to go for the fake, then puts the ball on the other leg then shoot, but you know what every arsenal player does this and he wasn't brought to Arsenal for those strengths. He came to Arsenal to help in the air both defensively and offensively and to make runs where he just shoots the ball one time.
Over the course of the next few months, Chamakh will LEARN to play at a much higher level. The thing is vs Chelsea, you need a big presence up front because the Arsenal players are midgets and the chelsea players are giants. Chamakh brought that today and he also showed something that no other Arsenal player did today. He was almost ALWAYS the first one with the header when crosses came in and that is a route of attack Arsenal NEVER had except when Adebayor and Bendtner were there. You might not like those type of players but when you're down 1-0 and you're pressing hard those are the players with the biggest probability of scoring.
Look at how chelsea played, defend defend then counter. They expected arsenal to pass the ball around, lose it counter and score. What happened in the first 10 minutes was that Arsenal played high balls to chamakh and within seconds of the official game whistle he almost scored and then 1 minute later he set up Koscielski (spelling) who missed an open net with his head.
Instead of expecting Chamakh to do everything up front, you need Arshavin to provide width and open wide to help chamakh gain some ground but he's a fucking lazy bastard that sits near the midline and doesn't want to open wide (although he had 1 good shot during the game which could have gone in).
Anyways, today was an unlucky day for Chamakh, next time he'll score and score and all of the critics will keep their mouth shut.
I agree that he adds the air threat, but a threat without results is useless. (and is a problem with arsenal's overall play for the past few years. If arshavin's shot had gone in, does that make him a better player? No, cause he's a lazy ****. But does it make him a more VALUABLE player? HELL YES cause he'd have put us 1-0 up.
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On October 04 2010 00:04 Holgerius wrote:Roma have failed so hard in all away games so far this season.  And Totti, you desperately need to find your form again.
I dont think its a fail that roma lost to napoli.
napoli is on fire this season.
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I just watched the MOTD highlights of Arsenal vs Chelsea. I did not watch the full game. Not all of Arsenal's chances were shown but out of the ones in the first half, it seems only Koscielny's missed header could be considered a sitter. I don't think Vermaelen would've missed that. Chamakh could've done better on a couple of opportunities in the second half, but putting someone new to the English game up front alone vs Chelsea is already asking for a lot.
All of Arsenal's chances seemed to have come from crosses. I don't know if that was because Fabregas was missing or what but every time the ball went in there were so many blue shirts inside the box outnumbering the Arsenal players. In that respect I guess Chamakh did well to even threaten the goal but the problem seemed to have been Arsenal's game plan ie the midfield getting owned by Chelsea's counterattacks and perhaps the absence of Fabregas more than anything else. Not that there are a lot of midfields in the world that could've matched up with Chelsea's but when you bring everyone forward trying to bombard the ball into the box, people in the middle has to slow down the counterattack somehow even if they need to start rugby tackling people. You can't allow Chelsea to get the ball up front to Drogba with two passes every time, no team in the world can keep a clean sheet vs that.
As pointed out on MOTD, Squillaci also did some ridiculously dumb stuff like passing the ball back to Drogba allowing Chelsea to take a quick free kick and of course giving the ball away to Anelka that led to the one on one. Props to Fabianski for keeping his hands to himself though, I don't know if Almunia could've resisted bringing Anelka down. I hope Fabianski can secure the #1 spot now after that CL performance.
I know it happened a long time ago but Arsenal really should've just thrown vaults of money at Flamini so he stayed. The newer generation of midfield players, Diaby, Song, and Denilson are all good but none of them are close to the same presence as Vieira and none of them are as good partnered up with Fabregas as Flamini was in that one season before he left for Milan. It's kind of ironic how Flamini went to Milan as like the 5th best DM there whereas if Arsenal had just one guy like Ambrosini/Gattuso, they would never be in the position they are in now.
When playing against Chelsea you need someone with a bit of steel so that guys like Essien who's more machine than human doesn't just piss all over everyone doing whatever he feels like.
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man city in 2nd
my world is fucked
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On October 04 2010 06:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I hope they suspend de Jong for life.
This !
Hatem Ben Arfa migth ill not pay again for at least 6 months . Here goes my hope of him making a great come back in the national team :/
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On October 04 2010 07:37 ky[Z] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 00:04 Holgerius wrote:Roma have failed so hard in all away games so far this season. And Totti, you desperately need to find your form again. I dont think its a fail that roma lost to napoli. napoli is on fire this season.
It's not just against Napoli. They lost 5-1 (iirc) to Cagliari, lost to fucking Brescia and also lost to some crappy german club in CL ( ). The away games are a pain in the ass at the moment. When you can beat the reigning champions of everything, Inter, at home I expect that you should be able to beat teams like that even in away games. >:[ Roma has great potential and can beat any team in the world on a good day. There's way too many bad days now though.
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Taken from JingleBells at the SA forums. These gifs are amazing and they still don't even do the goals justice.
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Most of the Real Madrid goals were awesome too
Especially the last one from Ronaldo.
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On October 04 2010 19:34 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 07:37 ky[Z] wrote:On October 04 2010 00:04 Holgerius wrote:Roma have failed so hard in all away games so far this season. And Totti, you desperately need to find your form again. I dont think its a fail that roma lost to napoli. napoli is on fire this season. It's not just against Napoli. They lost 5-1 (iirc) to Cagliari, lost to fucking Brescia and also lost to some crappy german club in CL ( ). The away games are a pain in the ass at the moment. When you can beat the reigning champions of everything, Inter, at home I expect that you should be able to beat teams like that even in away games. >:[ Roma has great potential and can beat any team in the world on a good day. There's way too many bad days now though.
There is no team that cant beat any team in the world on a good day.
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On October 04 2010 06:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I hope they suspend de Jong for life.
Your wish is slowly coming true, De Jong dropped from the Dutch Euro2012 qualifiying team. This guy makes Roy Keane and Mascherano look like saints.
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On October 05 2010 06:34 Lovedrop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I hope they suspend de Jong for life. Your wish is slowly coming true, De Jong dropped from the Dutch Euro2012 qualifiying team. This guy makes Roy Keane and Mascherano look like saints.
Dont forget van Bommel.
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On October 04 2010 21:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:34 Holgerius wrote:On October 04 2010 07:37 ky[Z] wrote:On October 04 2010 00:04 Holgerius wrote:Roma have failed so hard in all away games so far this season. And Totti, you desperately need to find your form again. I dont think its a fail that roma lost to napoli. napoli is on fire this season. It's not just against Napoli. They lost 5-1 (iirc) to Cagliari, lost to fucking Brescia and also lost to some crappy german club in CL ( ). The away games are a pain in the ass at the moment. When you can beat the reigning champions of everything, Inter, at home I expect that you should be able to beat teams like that even in away games. >:[ Roma has great potential and can beat any team in the world on a good day. There's way too many bad days now though. There is no team that cant beat any team in the world on a good day.
There is a difference between a team that can get lucky and take a one-off game vs a top opponent and a team that during the last couple of years has consistently taken down teams like Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Milan, Lyon etc. So it's annoying to see how they start every fucking season like crap, losing to much inferior opponents that really should be easy wins and then end up at 2nd place. (>_<)
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