• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:12
CET 10:12
KST 18:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War List of top players active on ShieldBattery [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7994 users

Diablo III General Discussion - Page 808

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 806 807 808 809 810 1109 Next
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
March 09 2014 11:25 GMT
#16141
On March 09 2014 18:00 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing you do now will matter when the expansion comes out.

You'll have that 15% advantage over everyone else buying it on the first day.


Wut?

If you farm now you can find the ilvl60 legendaries that you're gonna want to find the ilvl70 version of once the expansion is out. It is much better to have that lvl 60 version because of whatever set bonus or effect then having some random ilvl70 legendary with big numbers.
If you plan to play the expansion a fair bit it is definitly worth investing time finding certain pieces.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 09 2014 11:27 GMT
#16142
Things you should do while you still can

- level(hardcore) characters. The 50% bonus xp isn't here forever, and you can get damn close to 60 off one run on hard.
- Sell off excess gems. Imperial gems will drop which will completely outclass whatever you have.

Paragon does make a difference because my crusader will be rocking double damage&faster MS, increased AS, moderate AR and LPS, and some other stat at level 1. I don't know if I will run crusader first or just blow through it on T1 with wizard/monk though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
March 09 2014 17:12 GMT
#16143
On March 09 2014 18:00 dAPhREAk wrote:
if you are playing the game now to prepare for playing the game later, you are not doing it right. nothing you do now will matter when the expansion comes out.

it is only if you want a big epeen that it matters because you will be the first group of people to get max char, best gear, etc. you'll have that 15% advantage over everyone else buying it on the first day.


I think its worth playing to level due to the xp bonus buff. If you already have all the toons at 60 you want then just wait for RoS.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 09 2014 18:24 GMT
#16144
On March 09 2014 20:25 WakaDoDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 18:00 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing you do now will matter when the expansion comes out.

You'll have that 15% advantage over everyone else buying it on the first day.


Wut?

If you farm now you can find the ilvl60 legendaries that you're gonna want to find the ilvl70 version of once the expansion is out. It is much better to have that lvl 60 version because of whatever set bonus or effect then having some random ilvl70 legendary with big numbers.
If you plan to play the expansion a fair bit it is definitly worth investing time finding certain pieces.


I think you're ignoring how high the numbers scale at level 70. Level 60 gear is like level 50 gear right now. Stats are doubled, damage is doubled, armor is doubled...

If you're lucky, the enchanter will do a full re-roll of items and bring items up to ilvl70. Doubt it, though.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
March 09 2014 19:26 GMT
#16145
i doubt it, they just want to leave the whole item mess behind them.

They could not delete old items that were unbalanced because of the auction house and they cant delete everything for the majore combat rebalance.



But they can make everything useless by increasing the level by 10.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 09 2014 19:29 GMT
#16146
On March 10 2014 04:26 LaNague wrote:
i doubt it, they just want to leave the whole item mess behind them.

They could not delete old items that were unbalanced because of the auction house and they cant delete everything for the majore combat rebalance.



But they can make everything useless by increasing the level by 10.


Well, I meant for drops post Loot 2.0. You can already re-roll a single mod for those, but a single mod doesn't mean much. I'm sure Blizzard would be fine having players search for the same item drops multiple times.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 19:38:12
March 09 2014 19:36 GMT
#16147
On March 09 2014 10:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:
So I quite Diablo 3 about 2 months after release of the game, and I am now starting again in anticipation of the new addon. Is there anything I should do now before the addon comes out? Level this paragon thing? Or buy certain stuff while the auction house still exists?

Also do I have big disadvantages in the addon now compared to those that played all the time and geared up and got their paragon levels? Or is there some kind of reset when teh addon comes out?

Thanks in advance for any helpful answers.


Basically everything in vanilla D3 will be obsoleted in RoS, so I wouldn't worry at all.

Level 70 gear completely eclipses level 60 (except for absolute BiS level 60 legendaries, which might barely match low-end 70 gear). Level 60 crafting materials can't be used for level 70 recipes, gems can drop 4-5(?) grades higher.

Gold will still be useful for crafting/enchanting, so you could stockpile, but it won't be a big deal. Paragon levels will carry over, but you get those fast enough, and the gains from those aren't enough to make or break a character.

Thanks, that is good to hear. Although I have to say the paragn levels seem to give some nice stats.

I think we can also understand the removal of the auction house in the context of this "reset". If it still existed when the addon comes out, the players that have played a long time before the addon would totally dominate the economy with all the gold they have accumulated.

On another note, the new difficulty levels they have now seem kinda weird. Like, I never come close to dying on Master with my crap equipped lvl 50 witch doctor. Although it takes me forever to kill anything lol.
Off-season = best season
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 19:37:48
March 09 2014 19:37 GMT
#16148
sry double post
Off-season = best season
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
March 09 2014 19:40 GMT
#16149
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
March 09 2014 20:12 GMT
#16150
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!


I'm guessing your best bet would be the B.net forums.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2014 20:48 GMT
#16151
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!

http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2014 20:52 GMT
#16152
On March 09 2014 20:25 WakaDoDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 18:00 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing you do now will matter when the expansion comes out.

You'll have that 15% advantage over everyone else buying it on the first day.


Wut?

If you farm now you can find the ilvl60 legendaries that you're gonna want to find the ilvl70 version of once the expansion is out. It is much better to have that lvl 60 version because of whatever set bonus or effect then having some random ilvl70 legendary with big numbers.
If you plan to play the expansion a fair bit it is definitly worth investing time finding certain pieces.

none of the level 60 sets are going to be good once you get to level 70 (where it matters). does anyone wear a level 50 set on their level 60 characters? no.

even blizzard has said there is really nothing to do to prepare for RoS except for leveling paragon, getting a str hellfire (if you want to play crusader and get the extra xp) and finding cain's set. all things that give you an upper hand when RoS comes out, but none of which are necessary.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 09 2014 21:36 GMT
#16153
On March 10 2014 05:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!

http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/

Interesting how the most popular builds are used by less than 1% of players respectively. Good job by Blizzard I guess.
Off-season = best season
carraway
Profile Joined March 2011
264 Posts
March 09 2014 21:51 GMT
#16154
On March 09 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:
So I quite Diablo 3 about 2 months after release of the game, and I am now starting again in anticipation of the new addon. Is there anything I should do now before the addon comes out? Level this paragon thing? Or buy certain stuff while the auction house still exists?

Also do I have big disadvantages in the addon now compared to those that played all the time and geared up and got their paragon levels? Or is there some kind of reset when teh addon comes out?

Thanks in advance for any helpful answers.


I was in the same boat when I started playing again with a few friends.

The most important things you can do to prepare for RoS are, in my opinion:
1. Familiarize yourself with the build you're going to use for leveling and figure out which difficulty level is going to be efficient for you.
2. Make a Hellfire Ring for your primary character at least; if you have the time, make one for each stat, but this involves a lot of farming. You can also make one for your follower.

In the process of doing the above, you'll probably get a few legendaries and a ton of paragon levels. I bought an old Witching Hour and crossbow and have found the rest of my gear upgrades, tripling my unbuffed DPS from what it was when I quit.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
March 09 2014 21:59 GMT
#16155
On March 10 2014 06:36 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 05:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!

http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/

Interesting how the most popular builds are used by less than 1% of players respectively. Good job by Blizzard I guess.


Well with all the variety of runes the sheer amount of choices make it unlikely that most people will use exactly the same rune setup, and most of the skill setups are pretty similar.

But I agree, good job by blizz in this regard.
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
March 09 2014 22:03 GMT
#16156
Sweet, thanks for the link guys. I'll be sure to check that out and what's going on over at the Blizz forums.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2014 22:04 GMT
#16157
On March 10 2014 06:36 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 05:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!

http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/

Interesting how the most popular builds are used by less than 1% of players respectively. Good job by Blizzard I guess.

it was like that pre-patch as well even with archon being the best for wiz.

also, i checked WD and it still has the old firebat build. i am not sure how up to date these are even though it says they have been updated recently.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 23:01:02
March 09 2014 22:48 GMT
#16158
Haven't played D3 in forever and just started again. I like the new loot systems and getting rid of the AH's and such, but I see Legendaries are bound on account? Seems like Blizzard went from one extreme of in game AH's to almost the other extreme of making all trading in general gone, lol. Not that I really care, and I'm sure it's been talked about to exhaustion, it's just funny that I bet Blizz is getting a bunch of new nerd hate for almost the opposite reason of before.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 09 2014 23:01 GMT
#16159
On March 10 2014 06:36 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 05:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 10 2014 04:40 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is there any site / resource available where you can look at decent builds for the classes? Back when i played after release I followed the threads here on TL, but im looking for WD builds and the WD thread hasn't been active since last September. I'm just messing around to see some of the changes before determining if I want to buy the expansion or not, but would be nice to see what builds people are playing with.

Thanks in advance!

http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/

Interesting how the most popular builds are used by less than 1% of players respectively. Good job by Blizzard I guess.


Numbers are skewed by inactive players. The top 3 Barb builds for 0-49 and 50-100 are all Double Tornado...which doesn't even work anymore.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
March 10 2014 00:09 GMT
#16160
So from what I've gathered, levelling paragon is the only worthwhile thing to do right now?
Prev 1 806 807 808 809 810 1109 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech38
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8247
Shuttle 1830
actioN 699
Horang2 643
Bisu 573
Larva 280
Jaedong 186
Zeus 174
EffOrt 93
HiyA 89
[ Show more ]
Noble 62
Yoon 39
Rush 39
Bale 32
sSak 29
Sharp 28
NaDa 24
Sacsri 21
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
ODPixel481
monkeys_forever66
Counter-Strike
fl0m4429
Super Smash Bros
Westballz41
Other Games
summit1g9667
JimRising 444
WinterStarcraft341
XaKoH 325
Fuzer 162
Mew2King107
NeuroSwarm60
ViBE46
Railgan14
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL63
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 29
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt547
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1h 49m
herO vs Solar
MaxPax vs SHIN
IPSL
7h 49m
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
BSL
10h 49m
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
Replay Cast
13h 49m
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-05
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.