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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 28 2012 05:05 GMT
#12821
first mf no longer working on chest and now they 'neffing' on MF swapping......?

If they really did then I will sell all my gears and say real goodbye to d3. still do some elite runs when i am bored of dota2. I still wish that i can solo inferno diablo with my wd
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
deducter
Profile Joined May 2011
United States80 Posts
June 28 2012 05:07 GMT
#12822
On June 28 2012 13:43 udgnim wrote:
next on the nerfing table is MF swapping

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5912664289?page=4#74

I'm happy enough with 1 guaranteed rare for every pack with 5 NV, so whatever Blizzard chooses, it probably won't bother me


I have never gear swapped, mostly because it doesn't suit my playstyle. Still, if you want efficiency atm should definitely gear swap into MF gear for boss kills. Fortunately for me, all of my gear already has MF on it.

I suspect all the seroius item hunters already have a set of DPS/MF gear anyway. DPs/MF gear is expensive, but not too exorbitant. This nerf (or "fix" depending on your view) I think will primarily affect tanks, since tank gear + MF is unbelievably expensive.

I really think Blizzard ought to actually promote coop by buffing MF. Right now MF for coop is not more efficient than SP. I believe right now monster HP scales by 110% per player at Inferno too, so in theory cooping will always be less efficient than soloing with a high DPS character. The change could be something as simple as giving 5% more MF/GF per player in a group per NV stack. In a 4-player game, for instance, even someone with 0 MF will have 150% at 5 stacks. This would help out the tanking characters quite a bit more. There shouldn't be any unbalancing problem in Inferno, since an uncoordinated group will be murdered except in A1.
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 28 2012 05:37 GMT
#12823
Out of curiousity, does anyone know the specifics on where 6prop plans can drop? Farming act 1 lately, have had 100% 4prop plans. Probably 8-10 of them dropped. Pre-patch I would farm act3, and got probably 10 total plans, 2-3 were 6prop(weapons, lulz), 2-3 5 prop, and the last 5 or so 4prop. Just wondering if act1 can even drop 6prop plans?
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 28 2012 05:57 GMT
#12824
On June 28 2012 14:37 Leyra wrote:
Out of curiousity, does anyone know the specifics on where 6prop plans can drop? Farming act 1 lately, have had 100% 4prop plans. Probably 8-10 of them dropped. Pre-patch I would farm act3, and got probably 10 total plans, 2-3 were 6prop(weapons, lulz), 2-3 5 prop, and the last 5 or so 4prop. Just wondering if act1 can even drop 6prop plans?

6-prop plans are the equivalent of ilvl63.
=Þ
Narg
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland99 Posts
June 28 2012 07:13 GMT
#12825
On June 28 2012 13:43 udgnim wrote:
next on the nerfing table is MF swapping

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5912664289?page=4#74

I'm happy enough with 1 guaranteed rare for every pack with 5 NV, so whatever Blizzard chooses, it probably won't bother me


about time! The whole 'change-2-seconds-before-killing-blow' was just idiotic, you shiuld be rewarded for fighting with mf instead of a macro button or just quick fingers. Imo this is along the same lines with exploiting the game early on to get to the later acts via bugged skills. I almost gave up in d3 before 1.03 but these changes seem to be going towards fixing the stupidest imbalanced thimgs there are. I play a wd with a corpse spider build working towards act 3 inferno and enjoying the game and decisions by blizz to make it harder for the 0,001%.
Also, I have very little time to play weekly as I have 3-month old daughter at home.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
June 28 2012 07:29 GMT
#12826
Best change ever. MF gear swapping was a retarded exploit in line with all the rest like pony stucking and chest farming. Having MF on your gear or not is supposed to be a deliberate choice, who the fuck likes doing mind numbing tricks like this while they try to be immersed in a game?
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
June 28 2012 07:37 GMT
#12827
I like to think that the game is still in open beta, and once all these exploits and glitches are fixed the game will be released for real. =(
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 28 2012 07:38 GMT
#12828
good thing i dumped all the blue mf items
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
June 28 2012 07:43 GMT
#12829
On June 28 2012 16:37 Aixler wrote:
I like to think that the game is still in open beta, and once all these exploits and glitches are fixed the game will be released for real. =(


True man, Blizz dropped the ball on all this so hard... once they fix MF swap and radically buff Azmodan and Diablo the game will actually be proper and launch ready.

I can't imagine how much different the progression, economy and public perception of the game would have been had they tested it to this point before ejaculating it on the market :s
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 07:46:24
June 28 2012 07:43 GMT
#12830
On June 28 2012 16:37 Aixler wrote:
I like to think that the game is still in open beta, and once all these exploits and glitches are fixed the game will be released for real. =(


the game is open beta imo, but I've already recouped my $60 cost from RMAH

I think it's going to take a ladder reset (which Blizzard has said they will not do) or expansion to bring back a lot of people and Blizzard has to move D3 away from a gold based economy to something that will be more difficult to bot like an item-based economy where drops from high level elites are used as currency
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 28 2012 07:44 GMT
#12831
It's mind boggling that people call MF swapping an exploit. Sheesh.

On the other hand, it'd be interesting to see if this makes a change in the AH/RMAH prices, since I can imagine quite a lot of people are doing it currently.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
June 28 2012 08:07 GMT
#12832
I wish Blizzard new anything else but nerfing. People put money and time into getting specific gear and everything is getting nerfed. How bout you guys stop making a game with broken content? Have they ever buffed anything? Have they changed any broken game mechanics. All they do is nerf the shit out of everything. Destructible items, vases, mf on chests, attack speed, smokescreen, Nether tentacles, inferno in general, drop rates, several monk skills. They didn't even fix the quest exploit, they just nerfed the exp and bugging into inferno content took like 4 weeks to fix?

They gotta come up with decent gameplay and mechanics instead of nerfing whatever they dont like. This is really annoying me.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 28 2012 08:30 GMT
#12833
On June 28 2012 16:29 Kickboxer wrote:
Best change ever. MF gear swapping was a retarded exploit in line with all the rest like pony stucking and chest farming. Having MF on your gear or not is supposed to be a deliberate choice, who the fuck likes doing mind numbing tricks like this while they try to be immersed in a game?

Nooooo... I miss my UNICORN (not pony) stucking while I take my time to switch to MF gear...

Why does everyone called it pony land when there's only unicorns, no ponies....
=Þ
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
June 28 2012 08:38 GMT
#12834
On June 28 2012 16:44 Nikon wrote:
It's mind boggling that people call MF swapping an exploit. Sheesh.

On the other hand, it'd be interesting to see if this makes a change in the AH/RMAH prices, since I can imagine quite a lot of people are doing it currently.


But would you honestly consider MF swap intended, good design?

If Blizzard meant for you to swap gears in combat as a game mechanic, they'd built an UI feature for it. Like if you had a build where you swing a 2hander and then back off to 1h+shield while on cds, need defenses, they'd given a weapon swap button and sets.

To me all this MF nonsense was always something terribly clumsy oversight, I mean, it's 2012, if the devs intended you to hotswap gear in boss fights, you SHOULD have UI element for it. They did the same for WoW with gear sets and you can't even change in combat (other than weapons), but they implemented what many popular mods were doing.


One of these days I'll get a paypal acc to try and sell what gear I managed to scrounge up, this game fell so short on all the pre-hype it's silly.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
June 28 2012 08:40 GMT
#12835
Good thing I invested in full MF/DPS gear

[Unless they nerf MF rates across the board... Then that would just completely blow]
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
June 28 2012 08:47 GMT
#12836
Most problems people have are just irrelevant. Stop playing sc and switch to hc, you fast realize that most sc problems just dont exist in hc.

Only reason to play sc is rmah. and nothing more I would say
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 28 2012 08:48 GMT
#12837
On June 28 2012 17:47 tadL wrote:
Most problems people have are just irrelevant. Stop playing sc and switch to hc, you fast realize that most sc problems just dont exist in hc.

Only reason to play sc is rmah. and nothing more I would say

And die to rubberbanding, which isn't the most fun thing to do.
=Þ
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 09:59:44
June 28 2012 09:54 GMT
#12838
On June 28 2012 17:38 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 16:44 Nikon wrote:
It's mind boggling that people call MF swapping an exploit. Sheesh.

On the other hand, it'd be interesting to see if this makes a change in the AH/RMAH prices, since I can imagine quite a lot of people are doing it currently.


But would you honestly consider MF swap intended, good design?

If Blizzard meant for you to swap gears in combat as a game mechanic, they'd built an UI feature for it. Like if you had a build where you swing a 2hander and then back off to 1h+shield while on cds, need defenses, they'd given a weapon swap button and sets.

To me all this MF nonsense was always something terribly clumsy oversight, I mean, it's 2012, if the devs intended you to hotswap gear in boss fights, you SHOULD have UI element for it. They did the same for WoW with gear sets and you can't even change in combat (other than weapons), but they implemented what many popular mods were doing.


Hey, it's not like this clumsy oversight hasn't been in since forever, and they just now realised that it's bad for us. From my point of view it's just another arbitrary restriction which cheapens the game. You don't have to do it if you don't want to - hell, dedicated people have everyday gear with MF so they don't have to swap. Regardless, they're just gonna axe that option? Not a good decision.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 28 2012 10:34 GMT
#12839
How can anyone hate the mf swapping is beyond me. Is a small and cool micro practice that anyone can do so just give it some practice yourself? People who uses macro sucks but as a normal player how can I ever have the gold to make dps+mf on my gears??? MF swapping is practical and cost-efficient. I have been doing that since d2 and in d3 thanks to AH i got my 300+ mf gears easily and now i will have to get rid of them.

Now mf+good stats/dps gears will be more expensive than before = higher GAH/RMAH prices ie more income tax = making Blizzard's money plan even better.

The purpose of all the neff/fix is to make them more money if people realized that and making it economically harder to beat inferno. As a normal player, the amount of time for me to get those end game gears will be increased hugely (plus don't forget AH manipulate item drop rate). For those rich kids with parent's credit card, just pay for all the $250 gears and you can finish inferno in less than 1 day.

D3 is pay for win.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 28 2012 11:14 GMT
#12840
On June 28 2012 18:54 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 17:38 daemir wrote:
On June 28 2012 16:44 Nikon wrote:
It's mind boggling that people call MF swapping an exploit. Sheesh.

On the other hand, it'd be interesting to see if this makes a change in the AH/RMAH prices, since I can imagine quite a lot of people are doing it currently.


But would you honestly consider MF swap intended, good design?

If Blizzard meant for you to swap gears in combat as a game mechanic, they'd built an UI feature for it. Like if you had a build where you swing a 2hander and then back off to 1h+shield while on cds, need defenses, they'd given a weapon swap button and sets.

To me all this MF nonsense was always something terribly clumsy oversight, I mean, it's 2012, if the devs intended you to hotswap gear in boss fights, you SHOULD have UI element for it. They did the same for WoW with gear sets and you can't even change in combat (other than weapons), but they implemented what many popular mods were doing.


Hey, it's not like this clumsy oversight hasn't been in since forever, and they just now realised that it's bad for us. From my point of view it's just another arbitrary restriction which cheapens the game. You don't have to do it if you don't want to - hell, dedicated people have everyday gear with MF so they don't have to swap. Regardless, they're just gonna axe that option? Not a good decision.

Wasn't a clumsy oversight. It was a mechanic that they inherited from D2 without making any changes. The MF-swapping mechanic was well known. I'm guessing they're modifying it due to a ton of complaints, what's new.

I've pre-emptively started selling my MF gear. Might as well make a quick profit.
=Þ
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