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On August 10 2011 06:51 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 06:36 NotSorry wrote:On August 10 2011 06:24 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On August 10 2011 04:38 NotSorry wrote:On August 10 2011 04:36 bdictkam wrote:
So basicly the first person to make a private undetected bot, will cash in on alot of real money auctions?? How many programmers are already working on this .. lol.. No the first one to do it will sell the bot for crazy prices to farmers just like in every other game, who will then abuse the RMAH to make the money back. Side note: Expect working bots before beta ends. That's a pretty wild claim. Source? Lets some say some communities are eagerly awaiting their PR beta copies and there is a very large price tag for getting out the first set of bots Oh I get it, it's too dangerous to publicly state their name. Well I guess I have no choice but to believe you now.
I dont see why you would have trouble believing that. It doesnt take a genius to realise people will be working around the clock to get a working bot running for D3. It only took people a couple days to get a working map hack for SC2 beta. A bot is a lot more work, but it still isn't that hard to make.
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On August 10 2011 04:15 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 22:40 DrSeRRoD wrote:If the game is in that early stage of beta, where others have been near completion upon beta release, I have doubts as to whether a 2011 release is probable. It would only leave about 2 months of beta testing and then having to prepare for mass burning/packaging/shipping to hit the stores in December. Not that I expected it in 2011 but the thought sure excited me in ways that it shouldn't.  i doubt beta will last even 2months. this game doesnt need as extensive testing as WoW and SC2 did. I still think a 2011 release is completely feasible.
Also, you have to consider that Blizzard isn't the same company as before, and releasing in early 2012 is not the best move for their business model. They want to release for the holidays, that's when people are going to dish out the most money. Even if there are bugs or instabilities, I'll put money down they will still release this game in 2011, no matter what. Additionally, you have to consider that there are a ton of top quality games coming out this fall, you want to be competition, not the guy coming in late and after people already spent their money on every other game.
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This has probably already been posted but ill post it anyway:
"How will you address bots or cheaters?
We take cheating very seriously, and we've designed Diablo III and Battle.net to include measures to detect and prevent unfair play. In addition, we will have anti-cheating policies in place and will take action to address any issues as they arise."
Blizzard has a lot more responsibility now since they are putting real money into the equation. All the negative feedback they received about botters in the past is nothing compared to what would happen when real money is involved. No one knows this better than Blizzard.
You have to be logged into battle.net to play D3 unlike D2. Also, my guess is that you wont be able to force respawns of areas. That would tone down on maxed out characters blazing through an area hundreds of times a day. Im sure a lot of people will go to great lengths to exploit RMAH however they can, but Blizzard probably sees it as an opportunity to test it really well for future games. As there is tons of money to be saved on customer service hours from people getting hacked/scammed, and tons of money to be gained from their cut of AH sales.
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On August 10 2011 05:32 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 05:25 Nazarid wrote:On August 10 2011 05:18 FliedLice wrote:
As if some chinese underground mmo farming cartel cared about US laws whether or not they care wont matter, Chinese laws on fraud are much worse you think that just because they are in a different country they are not going to be arrested or jailed? many if not all Chinese farmers are part of a forced labor program from the prisons not bots or programs running... this is a legal form of fraud. Do some research. Wether it happens illegally in some shady backyard or "legally" in prison camps, where is the difference for us? Well get the shitty gold spam anyway. Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 05:27 Puph wrote:On August 10 2011 05:18 FliedLice wrote:
As if some chinese underground mmo farming cartel cared about US laws Blizzard imposes 3 different taxes upon any Virtual-item-to-cash transaction and a limited number of Auction House slots per week. Where is your faith, young padawan? Well then they'll just do it the traditional way and sell their shit through their website and trade in a private game.
I don't see how this is any different without a Blizzard sanctioned RMAH. If anything, moving it above ground can arguably depress prices compared to black market trading.
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Bots are positive. Everything will be cheap and accessible once the bots stock the AH
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Yeah I use to run a bot in d2. So fucking sweet
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On August 10 2011 09:45 ATLzac wrote:
Bots are positive. Everything will be cheap and accessible once the bots stock the AH
play the bot market
buy when the bots are working
sell after they get banned
ride the wave!
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Well, more bots would mean more trades. Since Blizzard takes a fixed cut for every trade, no matter size, it would make them richer to let them blaze though!
Tbh, I think there will be a lot of bots. Have you ever seen a game in which there weren't bots/cheats?
You can argue that bliz will protect this game more now that it has RMAH, but there is no such thing as perfect protection, and I think it is mostly the standard brand/marketing talk.
/cynical off
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On August 10 2011 09:48 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 09:45 ATLzac wrote:
Bots are positive. Everything will be cheap and accessible once the bots stock the AH play the bot market buy when the bots are working sell after they get banned ride the wave!
Haha, very creative thinking
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On August 10 2011 09:48 Sindriss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 09:48 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On August 10 2011 09:45 ATLzac wrote:
Bots are positive. Everything will be cheap and accessible once the bots stock the AH play the bot market buy when the bots are working sell after they get banned ride the wave! Haha, very creative thinking
i'm an entrepreneur if nothing else
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Bots are scum, and are to be eliminated. Just like D2, there is no mercy to be shown to them. The chat command exploits, the lag drop, pking, whatever it takes, it is necessary to eliminate them.
1. They steal our items, so we cant take them ourselves
2. Saturate market -> hard working working class D3 players cant get a decent return for their labour
3. Fuel the greed engine, ruin scarcity and joy of discovery of the unknown
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On August 10 2011 07:00 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 06:51 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On August 10 2011 06:36 NotSorry wrote:On August 10 2011 06:24 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On August 10 2011 04:38 NotSorry wrote:On August 10 2011 04:36 bdictkam wrote:
So basicly the first person to make a private undetected bot, will cash in on alot of real money auctions?? How many programmers are already working on this .. lol.. No the first one to do it will sell the bot for crazy prices to farmers just like in every other game, who will then abuse the RMAH to make the money back. Side note: Expect working bots before beta ends. That's a pretty wild claim. Source? Lets some say some communities are eagerly awaiting their PR beta copies and there is a very large price tag for getting out the first set of bots Oh I get it, it's too dangerous to publicly state their name. Well I guess I have no choice but to believe you now. I dont see why you would have trouble believing that. It doesnt take a genius to realise people will be working around the clock to get a working bot running for D3. It only took people a couple days to get a working map hack for SC2 beta. A bot is a lot more work, but it still isn't that hard to make.
The existance of bots in the RMAH system is counter-intuitive. If the price goes down too low, its not worth posting the item because of the fact that blizzard can potentially take 3 different cuts of your sale. If too many people bot, too many items are found/sold and the botters in questions will then be forced to compete with the rest.
With this logic in mind, if people mass botted then it would be time to invest a dollar and fifty cents into the auction house for the best possible shield as opposed to lets say, 10. More people would buy things thus giving blizzard more cuts.
Botting will effectively make blizzard richer, with my logic! But it would f*** the system beyond recognition and everyone knows how horrendous that would be. Do you not think blizzard would take ANY measures necessary to not send there brand spankin new RMAH system to the vultures?
Whether its a manual confirmation every 15 minutes (gay?) or impeccable anti-hack warden capabilities or increased bans/fines due to illegitimately obtaining then selling blizzard's intellectual property, RMAH will not fail because blizzard will not let it.Too much at stake to let some little scriptkiddy and his crew of nidpicky scriptsters to ruin something beautiful.
Where is the faith, young padawans?
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D3 will have easy item content. Just like WoTLK WoW with a lot of epics. The point is, you get the items easily anyway.
Its not a Korean Grind-MMO. The era of such games in western nations is over anyway- You dont need to work like a mad man for good items any more. As such, the auction house will be more light hearted, cheap for-fun item transfer without much competitive edge related to it due to easiness of content.
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On August 10 2011 10:07 xarthaz wrote:
D3 will have easy item content. Just like WoTLK WoW with a lot of epics. The point is, you get the items easily anyway.
Its not a Korean Grind-MMO. The era of such games in western nations is over anyway- You dont need to work like a mad man for good items any more. As such, the auction house will be more light hearted, cheap for-fun item transfer without much competitive edge related to it due to easiness of content.
do you work for blizzard?
how do u know this
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I just hope it doesnt become like that, the cool part about rare/epic items is the that they are actually rare. If you keep getting cool stuff all the time, it's going to feel pretty bad.
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On August 10 2011 10:14 Kojak21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 10:07 xarthaz wrote:
D3 will have easy item content. Just like WoTLK WoW with a lot of epics. The point is, you get the items easily anyway.
Its not a Korean Grind-MMO. The era of such games in western nations is over anyway- You dont need to work like a mad man for good items any more. As such, the auction house will be more light hearted, cheap for-fun item transfer without much competitive edge related to it due to easiness of content. do you work for blizzard? how do u know this
It makes sense. In D2, endgame gear was extremely cheap. Torches and runewords with low stats were sometimes given away for free. You can play 100% of D2 content solely using freebies people drop. What costed lots of money were items with good stats on them. They were not needed for pve, but people liked to possess them.
I expect D3 to be the same. Low stat endgame gear would be tossed around like candy on halloween, and you can beat everything with it, but well statted gear will still be worth quite a bit for people who like maxing out their character.
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Blizzard has already stated that they will have endless visual customization for items. The market will be based on collective purposes and not power hoarding.
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On August 10 2011 10:32 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 10:14 Kojak21 wrote:On August 10 2011 10:07 xarthaz wrote:
D3 will have easy item content. Just like WoTLK WoW with a lot of epics. The point is, you get the items easily anyway.
Its not a Korean Grind-MMO. The era of such games in western nations is over anyway- You dont need to work like a mad man for good items any more. As such, the auction house will be more light hearted, cheap for-fun item transfer without much competitive edge related to it due to easiness of content. do you work for blizzard? how do u know this It makes sense. In D2, endgame gear was extremely cheap. Torches and runewords with low stats were sometimes given away for free. You can play 100% of D2 content solely using freebies people drop. What costed lots of money were items with good stats on them. They were not needed for pve, but people liked to possess them. I expect D3 to be the same. Low stat endgame gear would be tossed around like candy on halloween, and you can beat everything with it, but well statted gear will still be worth quite a bit for people who like maxing out their character.
items were given away because of the sheer amount of botting & duping that occurs in Diablo 2
if Blizzard actually puts out some effort in stopping duping/botting, then Diablo 3 is not going to get anywhere close to the item deflation that occurred in Diablo 2
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On August 10 2011 10:44 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 10:32 Chairman Ray wrote:On August 10 2011 10:14 Kojak21 wrote:On August 10 2011 10:07 xarthaz wrote:
D3 will have easy item content. Just like WoTLK WoW with a lot of epics. The point is, you get the items easily anyway.
Its not a Korean Grind-MMO. The era of such games in western nations is over anyway- You dont need to work like a mad man for good items any more. As such, the auction house will be more light hearted, cheap for-fun item transfer without much competitive edge related to it due to easiness of content. do you work for blizzard? how do u know this It makes sense. In D2, endgame gear was extremely cheap. Torches and runewords with low stats were sometimes given away for free. You can play 100% of D2 content solely using freebies people drop. What costed lots of money were items with good stats on them. They were not needed for pve, but people liked to possess them. I expect D3 to be the same. Low stat endgame gear would be tossed around like candy on halloween, and you can beat everything with it, but well statted gear will still be worth quite a bit for people who like maxing out their character. items were given away because of the sheer amount of botting & duping that occurs in Diablo 2 if Blizzard actually puts out some effort in stopping duping/botting, then Diablo 3 is not going to get anywhere close to the item deflation that occurred in Diablo 2
Exactly. It's not like every other mob in hell would be dropping Windforces and Grandfathers. Sometimes people seem to forget how the game was actually supposed to work when cheating didn't enter the equation.
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One thing I missed are the very best items still going to be random mod rares like in d2?
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