On August 02 2011 20:36 Zpm wrote: I think the main thing here is that they are making this officially approved behaviour. Sure you could buy gold/items and stuff in d2 or WoW but my perception is that people doing it were looked down to by most of the legit players... And legit players are the crushing majority, this is something that seems to escape some of the reasoning behind the RMAH...
You have not played in the recent patches, have you? EVERYONE used d2jsp... definitely not a minority, especially not of the players that invested a lot of time or pvpd.
By majority I mean the majority of gamers in general.
I don't think the recent d2 patches can apply to sample what the actual gaming population will be when d3 will be released. As you said, a lot of the d2 players that remain today are the people who invest time (and money?) into this - people who stay longer on a game are most likely going to be a bit more hardcore than the people who start with everybody from day one and stop playing within the first year.
What I mean is I don't believe that practices that are currently going on with d2jsp are 100% transferable to the players that will join the d3 community after the release - there would not be the instinctive reflex for these people to try and buy items with real money, but Blizzard is just putting this right under their nose and effectively generalizes (and encourages) a practice for which bans currently occur in their other games.
I'd like it if they didn't implement that new system they plan on doing... cuz it's not really universal like fg ( you can trade between totally different games as long as they use fg as one of the methods of trading... ) or just different mmorpgs, too. Real Money or... ingame things only used in D3...
On August 02 2011 20:36 Zpm wrote: I think the main thing here is that they are making this officially approved behaviour. Sure you could buy gold/items and stuff in d2 or WoW but my perception is that people doing it were looked down to by most of the legit players... And legit players are the crushing majority, this is something that seems to escape some of the reasoning behind the RMAH...
You have not played in the recent patches, have you? EVERYONE used d2jsp... definitely not a minority, especially not of the players that invested a lot of time or pvpd.
By majority I mean the majority of gamers in general.
I don't think the recent d2 patches can apply to sample what the actual gaming population will be when d3 will be released. As you said, a lot of the d2 players that remain today are the people who invest time (and money?) into this - people who stay longer on a game are most likely going to be a bit more hardcore than the people who start with everybody from day one and stop playing within the first year.
What I mean is I don't believe that practices that are currently going on with d2jsp are 100% transferable to the players that will join the d3 community after the release - there would not be the instinctive reflex for these people to try and buy items with real money, but Blizzard is just putting this right under their nose and effectively generalizes (and encourages) a practice for which bans currently occur in their other games.
You don't pay money on d2jsp, it's not an item shop. When you start out, you sell a bunch of shitty items and will get your first funds. If you have your first roll, you either try to buy and resell or you keep on farming items. D2jsp exists because there is no real currency in diablo 2. Blizzard took care of this in diablo 3 by introducing their own currency and an auction house.
On August 02 2011 21:03 Nesquik wrote: I have a quick question about the AH, Say i played D3 without using real money on the AH and i stubble across a very rare item which is worth $40 so i decide to sell it for real money, So i add some real money currency on to my Bnet account and i put the item up. It sells and now i have say $45 currency is there a way for me to redraw my money from the ingame money and back into my account which is real life money ??? Thanks in advance
yes, thats possible. you dont even need to put funds on your bnet account to put up the auction. you will have a certain amount of unfeed auctions per week which can be used to build up a bankroll on your account without putting money on it initially. however, if you chose to withdraw the money from your bnet account and transfer it to your bank account, there will be some fees cause you have to use paypal or stuff like that
On August 02 2011 20:36 Zpm wrote: I think the main thing here is that they are making this officially approved behaviour. Sure you could buy gold/items and stuff in d2 or WoW but my perception is that people doing it were looked down to by most of the legit players... And legit players are the crushing majority, this is something that seems to escape some of the reasoning behind the RMAH...
You have not played in the recent patches, have you? EVERYONE used d2jsp... definitely not a minority, especially not of the players that invested a lot of time or pvpd.
By majority I mean the majority of gamers in general.
I don't think the recent d2 patches can apply to sample what the actual gaming population will be when d3 will be released. As you said, a lot of the d2 players that remain today are the people who invest time (and money?) into this - people who stay longer on a game are most likely going to be a bit more hardcore than the people who start with everybody from day one and stop playing within the first year.
What I mean is I don't believe that practices that are currently going on with d2jsp are 100% transferable to the players that will join the d3 community after the release - there would not be the instinctive reflex for these people to try and buy items with real money, but Blizzard is just putting this right under their nose and effectively generalizes (and encourages) a practice for which bans currently occur in their other games.
You don't pay money on d2jsp, it's not an item shop. When you start out, you sell a bunch of shitty items and will get your first funds. If you have your first roll, you either try to buy and resell or you keep on farming items. D2jsp exists because there is no real currency in diablo 2. Blizzard took care of this in diablo 3 by introducing their own currency and an auction house.
yes the site creator (njaguar) sells forum gold for real cash, theres whole donor system this site is dirty as ****, after some thought the whole blizzard AH isnt as bad as I thought, somebody would make it anyway and i preffer it to be run by blizzard than by some random german shops created by hacker who knows how to import/dupe items.
On August 02 2011 21:03 Nesquik wrote: I have a quick question about the AH, Say i played D3 without using real money on the AH and i stubble across a very rare item which is worth $40 so i decide to sell it for real money, So i add some real money currency on to my Bnet account and i put the item up. It sells and now i have say $45 currency is there a way for me to redraw my money from the ingame money and back into my account which is real life money ??? Thanks in advance
yes, thats possible. you dont even need to put funds on your bnet account to put up the auction. you will have a certain amount of unfeed auctions per week which can be used to build up a bankroll on your account without putting money on it initially. however, if you chose to withdraw the money from your bnet account and transfer it to your bank account, there will be some fees cause you have to use paypal or stuff like that
This is not 100% correct. When you set up your account, you will be given the option of either transfering the incoming money directly to a third party service like PayPal or to you Battle Net account. If don't set up the third party service and transfer it to your account, you cannot turn the "e-balance" money into real cash.
It is possible to get real money from selling the item, but you need to set up your account before you make the transaction, it can't be done after the money is already on your account.
There is a good FAQ at Diablofans.com main page right now that explains this, among other things.
I think AH for real money is a good idea but what I dont like is this: Blizzard will take a fee for putting stuff on the real cash AH so if your item dont sell you lose money, then a fee when the trade is made and then a fee when you cash out.
So you have to pay 3 fees, unless they are very small I dont think the "Black Market" will go away.
I don't understand how taking away skill points is going to work in Nightmare/Hell/whatever higher level difficulty games there will be.
It won't be a problem with skills that scale with gear, but for magic skills that apparently skill with level how are casters going to have comparable firepower in higher difficulty to physical dmg characters?
On August 02 2011 20:36 Zpm wrote: I think the main thing here is that they are making this officially approved behaviour. Sure you could buy gold/items and stuff in d2 or WoW but my perception is that people doing it were looked down to by most of the legit players... And legit players are the crushing majority, this is something that seems to escape some of the reasoning behind the RMAH...
You have not played in the recent patches, have you? EVERYONE used d2jsp... definitely not a minority, especially not of the players that invested a lot of time or pvpd.
By majority I mean the majority of gamers in general.
I don't think the recent d2 patches can apply to sample what the actual gaming population will be when d3 will be released. As you said, a lot of the d2 players that remain today are the people who invest time (and money?) into this - people who stay longer on a game are most likely going to be a bit more hardcore than the people who start with everybody from day one and stop playing within the first year.
What I mean is I don't believe that practices that are currently going on with d2jsp are 100% transferable to the players that will join the d3 community after the release - there would not be the instinctive reflex for these people to try and buy items with real money, but Blizzard is just putting this right under their nose and effectively generalizes (and encourages) a practice for which bans currently occur in their other games.
You don't pay money on d2jsp, it's not an item shop. When you start out, you sell a bunch of shitty items and will get your first funds. If you have your first roll, you either try to buy and resell or you keep on farming items. D2jsp exists because there is no real currency in diablo 2. Blizzard took care of this in diablo 3 by introducing their own currency and an auction house.
yes the site creator (njaguar) sells forum gold for real cash, theres whole donor system this site is dirty as ****, after some thought the whole blizzard AH isnt as bad as I thought, somebody would make it anyway and i preffer it to be run by blizzard than by some random german shops created by hacker who knows how to import/dupe items.
See, you're 100% clueless. People don't go there and buy items using cash. If you want to purchase items using cash, you go to a itemshop.
D2jsp provides a currency. If you don't understand why currency is important and useful, stop posting.
Also, stop making shit up and pulling random facts out of your ass, you don't even know wether or not duping is possible, you just assume it is because you heard about it 5 years ago.
On August 02 2011 20:24 landmarktiger wrote: I am in favour of this even though i know it has gotten a lot of hate from the community. It helps the hardcore players by giving them a source of income while playing this game, it helps the casual people by allowing them to get top gear without spending too much time in the game and it also helps blizzard by giving them a source of income- this in turn will ensure that we get continued support for this game for "free" essentially - i would much rather have this than paying ridiculous amounts like 15 dollars for 5 shitty maps every few months like what CoD people pay. Now real money trading did exist before also through third party websites but now this will be much more secure and safe way - i much rather have this than risk getting scammed. For SC2 blizzard get money through their esport partners because it has such a huge esport industry and hence we are able to get free continued support like balance changes, bug fixes, new maps etc but for diablo blizz needed this buiseness model or they could have just charged us a monthly fee. Sorry for the wall of text but this is my 2 cents.
Do people seriously think youll make more than a few dollars a month through this? It doesnt matter how hardcore you are the market will be massively flooded by millions of chinese farmers playing 24/7. Nothing but the most rare items will be worth more than a few dollars and if youre banking on one of those u might as well start playing the lottery. Its gonna be nice for different reasons but definetly not as a source of income.
The game will still be just as fun and you don't NEED to use the real money AH....
It's about bad players buying the best gear/chars and facerolling through the game. The Game is dead and most people won't buy it now. The players who spend the most real-life money will win.
But how does that affect you in any way? Why worry about what other people are doing, this game is about you and possibly your friends have fun and playing through it.
Bad people owning me in PvP, because they bought a imba Chars/Items... ?!
Blizzcon attendees are getting D3 beta codes apparently.
Beta is 2hrs long, ololol. I would rather get a HotS or new WoW-Addon Betakey.
What prevents you doing the same? Then go play HC if you dont want to do the same and or have problem with it.
Maybe I'm not that stupid to waste my money for Ingame-Items?
On August 02 2011 22:21 TaKemE wrote: I think AH for real money is a good idea but what I dont like is this: Blizzard will take a fee for putting stuff on the real cash AH so if your item dont sell you lose money, then a fee when the trade is made and then a fee when you cash out.
So you have to pay 3 fees, unless they are very small I dont think the "Black Market" will go away.
There is limited amount of free auctions every week. It is good that there is little fee after free auctions so that AH won't be full of shit and people have to actually think about pricing their items.
When u cash out i think Blizzard is not the one who takes that fee it's PayPal or something else, and it's quite normal with the internet wallets when u transfer money between them.
On August 02 2011 12:23 Kogut wrote: Personally, what was my most anticipated game coming out anytime soon just became a no-purchase after today's announcement of a "real money" AH. It's a matter of principle, not cost. Buying/selling items privately or through eBay is hard enough to deal with. Blizzard is just going too far for me at this point. Clearly this is their next plan for WoW, so I'm even more glad I let the subscription to that fiasco expire a while back. Sad to see Blizzard hunting for every penny. Thanks, Activision.
Except Blizzard has said (and been quoted in this thread many times) that they will be happy if the money they make from the RMAH is enough to cover the costs of running it. They aren't looking to "make a killing" with this like your ignorant ass thinks they are, they are implementing a system that will be there regardless (d2jsp -> d3jsp) but doing so in a secure fashion.
Quite frankly, if you don't use it it won't effect you or the friends you play with (you have friends right?) so who cares if some rich kid buys all his items from some sweat shop in China, unless you are also dumb enough to think PvP matters in this game, it will literally never have a negative impact on you whatsoever.
On August 02 2011 20:24 landmarktiger wrote: I am in favour of this even though i know it has gotten a lot of hate from the community. It helps the hardcore players by giving them a source of income while playing this game, it helps the casual people by allowing them to get top gear without spending too much time in the game and it also helps blizzard by giving them a source of income- this in turn will ensure that we get continued support for this game for "free" essentially - i would much rather have this than paying ridiculous amounts like 15 dollars for 5 shitty maps every few months like what CoD people pay. Now real money trading did exist before also through third party websites but now this will be much more secure and safe way - i much rather have this than risk getting scammed. For SC2 blizzard get money through their esport partners because it has such a huge esport industry and hence we are able to get free continued support like balance changes, bug fixes, new maps etc but for diablo blizz needed this buiseness model or they could have just charged us a monthly fee. Sorry for the wall of text but this is my 2 cents.
Do people seriously think youll make more than a few dollars a month through this? It doesnt matter how hardcore you are the market will be massively flooded by millions of chinese farmers playing 24/7. Nothing but the most rare items will be worth more than a few dollars and if youre banking on one of those u might as well start playing the lottery. Its gonna be nice for different reasons but definetly not as a source of income.
You contradict yourself. Not only will these millons of chinese farmers compete with normal players, they will also compete with themselves. In that scenario, everything will be too cheap to live off of it, even in china.
On August 02 2011 20:24 landmarktiger wrote: I am in favour of this even though i know it has gotten a lot of hate from the community. It helps the hardcore players by giving them a source of income while playing this game, it helps the casual people by allowing them to get top gear without spending too much time in the game and it also helps blizzard by giving them a source of income- this in turn will ensure that we get continued support for this game for "free" essentially - i would much rather have this than paying ridiculous amounts like 15 dollars for 5 shitty maps every few months like what CoD people pay. Now real money trading did exist before also through third party websites but now this will be much more secure and safe way - i much rather have this than risk getting scammed. For SC2 blizzard get money through their esport partners because it has such a huge esport industry and hence we are able to get free continued support like balance changes, bug fixes, new maps etc but for diablo blizz needed this buiseness model or they could have just charged us a monthly fee. Sorry for the wall of text but this is my 2 cents.
Do people seriously think youll make more than a few dollars a month through this? It doesnt matter how hardcore you are the market will be massively flooded by millions of chinese farmers playing 24/7. Nothing but the most rare items will be worth more than a few dollars and if youre banking on one of those u might as well start playing the lottery. Its gonna be nice for different reasons but definetly not as a source of income.
You contradict yourself. Not only will these millons of chinese farmers compete with normal players, they will also compete with themselves. In that scenario, everything will be too cheap to live off of it, even in china.
Umm..those millions of farmers already compete in games like wow and pretty much every other multiplayer game in existence. They have the manpower to turn a profit. The point is no one player can compete with that enough to make a living for themselves unless they feel like grinding 24/7 for minimum wage. Where is the contradiction exactly?
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