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On September 09 2010 03:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 03:24 ghen wrote:On September 09 2010 03:04 Mogwai wrote:
<insert mogwai rant about people being giant drama queens about old HSS's damage output here>
Kog just needs his range shortened and he's completely fair. Just sucks having to try to cover 750 range when he's got red buff. Making all the champions the same just makes for a bland game. His range is his specialty. If he needs to be nerfed it should be in some area that isn't intrinsic to the character like AD ratios, cooldowns, mana usage etc. I feel that every champion should be OP for some reason but have flaws elsewhere to make up for it. Adds flavor. Yeah like chogath having an insane 4 second silence aoe wait
On September 09 2010 03:32 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 03:28 Mogwai wrote:
Kog was coolest when he fucking ran you down with Rylai's + his ult. I dunno he just feels like Tristana++ at this point... I wish they'd transition him back to being a weird poking caster. Same, kogmaw used to take a fuckton of skill to do right (you had to be really good with skillshots, controlling ur urge to dive etc). Now? W+Right click kills people like it was nothing.
Well I'm not saying Riot is balancing correctly either  A lot of flavor has been removed from many characters due to forum trolls /sigh.
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Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic.
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It's pretty bad, I bought SC2 last month and I was all like ya that'll be a good way to waste time while I'm waiting for LoL to get patched and servers to come back up but I find myself constantly thinking about the game while I'm playing and I'm just like wow SC2 sucks, I wanna play league.
It doesn't help that my screenname is Chogath I guess.
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On September 09 2010 03:24 ghen wrote:
I feel that every champion should be OP for some reason but have flaws elsewhere to make up for it. Adds flavor.
Interesting thought!
Played a game today earlier with a Miss Fortune (both teams had obvi) she dies very easily but has incredible attack.
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The base attack range buff a little while back was really big for his laning.
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On September 09 2010 03:40 Phrost wrote:
Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic.
Well the thing about kogmaw now is that you get bloodrazor and start hitting people fot 10% of their max hp. So players begin to stack MR against that to reduce / mitigate it. Then you get your black cleaver and are hitting just as hard with physical.
So he can get by whatever defenses you try and build because unless you are a tank it is extremely difficult to defend against him effectively (whereas most other carries specialize in one form of damage).
I don't think he is OP by any means, just difficult to counter.
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On September 09 2010 03:40 Phrost wrote:
Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic.
I had no idea dagger was that good
imma start buying those
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On September 09 2010 03:40 Phrost wrote:
Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic.
Base attack range increase, 25% cd decrease on free bloodrazor.
Nothing about ppl changed except that they still sprout off misinformation on stuff that they do not know about.
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On September 09 2010 03:28 Mogwai wrote:
Kog was coolest when he fucking ran you down with Rylai's + his ult. I dunno he just feels like Tristana++ at this point... I wish they'd transition him back to being a weird poking caster.
From an entertaining/fun playing the game perspective, I find AP Kog to be god tier, so I do wish that had been what got buffed, it's hard rationalizing playing him that way now with BR+some anti squishy build just being so good.
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On September 09 2010 03:44 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 03:40 Phrost wrote:
Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic. Well the thing about kogmaw now is that you get bloodrazor and start hitting people fot 10% of their max hp. So players begin to stack MR against that to reduce / mitigate it. Then you get your black cleaver and are hitting just as hard with physical. So he can get by whatever defenses you try and build because unless you are a tank it is extremely difficult to defend against him effectively (whereas most other carries specialize in one form of damage). I don't think he is OP by any means, just difficult to counter. so don't play a tank? annie can ezpz 1shot kogmaw. the world is balanced again!
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Pantheon rapes Koggy.
JUMP ON U, U IZ DED... DED I SEY!
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People are upset because KogMaw isn't easily counterable with tanky champions! The horror!
RIOT has such a strange and indirect approach to balance.
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On September 09 2010 03:53 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 03:40 Phrost wrote:
Nothing about AD kogmaw changed except that he got a free dagger.
People just stopped playing him as some "lolap" dps thing and started playing him as a bloodrazor fanatic. Base attack range increase, 25% cd decrease on free bloodrazor. Nothing about ppl changed except that they still sprout off misinformation on stuff that they do not know about.
His base attack ranged increased but the range gained by W was decreased so its a wash when he's kicking your ass anyway.
I forgot about the decreased cooldown on W. It only means that he can be less worried about when to actually pop W.
Nothing changed significantly except the people's playstyle and the change from armor pen to attack speed on Q.
Thanks for playing
I think people have the same problem with kogmaw as they had with heimer. You cant just bum rush him and kill him. You have to play well, get him out of position, or pick to counter him.
I really wish there was a bigger rock paper scissor type champion selection so that we can have more variety in draft mode.
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could you guys give me some good xin builds for different situations?
Right now I just play SotD and ghostblade, because I like to press buttons.
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If laning I typically go:
Long Sword + hp pot (start doran's Shield instead if soloing)
Boots
Recurve bow
Phage
Merc Treads
Guardian Angel
Madred's Bloodrazors
Frozen Mallet
Banshee's Veil
If Jungling I typically go:
cloth + 5 hp pots
madred's razor
boots
recurve bow
merc treads
Guardian Angel
Madred's Bloodrazor
Frozen Mallet
Banshee's Veil
They both end up at the same place, but prioritize differently.
I dunno, it's sorta a cop-out coverall build, but it works very well. You end up very difficult to kill and dish out a metric shit ton of damage and are impossible to run from when you get lizard buff.
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On September 09 2010 04:07 Tooplark wrote:
People are upset because KogMaw isn't easily counterable with tanky champions! The horror!
RIOT has such a strange and indirect approach to balance.
Remember that Shaco was used to be known as a tank killer before the nerf bat hit him?
Yeah, like that just miles away from you with slows and something which reveals bush ambushes on even longer range.
He will kill melee a champion too without a stun / blind... And he will probally kill most of them anyways because of void ooze, he will just run away.
About invis characters, there is eve (lol!), twitch (might be a threat midgame if he has IE / zeal / avarice up early), Shaco (Will kil- oh wait no, 1v1 isnt what we are talking about, a proper team will babysit kogmaw like their life depended on it, wh).
Gl try killing him with Yi if you arent starting the fight with alpha strike, or ghostblade + r from a bush...
After madreds he could pretty much just do 1-2 AS items like Sotd (no dodge...) Wits end (MR and 40 extra magic dmg ea hit...)
My rant on AD kogmaw, I hated that guy ever since I had a game where we were up 25-6 - their kogmaw had around 3 deaths only.
Then he got madreds, so veigar, zil and fucking rammus babysitted him like shit.
Game ended something like 34-15 because we died in 1-2 pushes.
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On September 09 2010 04:16 Mogwai wrote:
If laning I typically go:
Long Sword + hp pot (start doran's Shield instead if soloing)
Boots
Recurve bow
Phage
Merc Treads
Guardian Angel
Madred's Bloodrazors
Frozen Mallet
Banshee's Veil
If Jungling I typically go:
cloth + 5 hp pots
madred's razor
boots
recurve bow
merc treads
Guardian Angel
Madred's Bloodrazor
Frozen Mallet
Banshee's Veil
They both end up at the same place, but prioritize differently.
I dunno, it's sorta a cop-out coverall build, but it works very well. You end up very difficult to kill and dish out a metric shit ton of damage and are impossible to run from when you get lizard buff.
k thanks, will test this, though I'm not sure anymore about Guardian and Mallet after the GA nerf.
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With Kog I like 2 or 3 doran's blades into recurve bow into banshee's veil before I finish bloodrazors and start working towards mallet. I dunno, you have a free better-than-bloodrazor, it's not like you really need to rush it until you have to start keeping up with magic resist.
EDIT: yea, I'm not sure how bad the GA nerf will hurt that build, but it's a place to start. Feel free to replace with an earlier banshees or sunfire or something if you feel uncomfortable with GA.
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On September 09 2010 04:22 Mogwai wrote:
With Kog I like 2 or 3 doran's blades into recurve bow into banshee's veil before I finish bloodrazors and start working towards mallet. I dunno, you have a free better-than-bloodrazor, it's not like you really need to rush it until you have to start keeping up with magic resist.
EDIT: yea, I'm not sure how bad the GA nerf will hurt that build, but it's a place to start. Feel free to replace with an earlier banshees or sunfire or something if you feel uncomfortable with GA.
oh and masteries + runes?
thanks
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