EPT6min/level 4 dragon is a slow jungle? How fast do you need to be to be fast? I don't know timing comparisons, but 6 minutes really feels pretty fast.
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
6min/level 4 dragon is a slow jungle? How fast do you need to be to be fast? I don't know timing comparisons, but 6 minutes really feels pretty fast. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
does cleaver count as unique per TEAM or per champ? IE if two teammates get cleaver and both attack the same target will their armor get reduced to -120 after 5 shots or will itcap out at -60? Cause if the former Is true, then I'm thinking 5 ranged dps rushing cleaver and starks would literally shit on any team imagine kogmaw Ashe tristana sivir tf all with cleaver+starks... Assuming starks reduction only applies once, you're still going to need 320+ armor just to break even. If you approach this team at all you get arrowed/bustered/goldcarded and immeditately torn apart. After cleaver they all buy survivability and all become unkillable too... Good luck running from that team too | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:19 Orpheos wrote: i mean thats why all those buffs they did to malph isnt really helping the bigger problem. his ult either needs to be extremely gamechanging like amumu's or it needs to be on shorter CD. as it is now he is just a nuisance. kinda like mord without as much lane dominance and a less useful ult. Well, no, Malphite's early and early-mid game is kinda nice, and quite different from mordekaiser as well. Unlike Morde, Malphite has an incredible chasing spell (lol I outran a guy who had ghost on him) and does decent damage with his E. Ult is generally good for ganks. But the cooldown on his ult is soo high for what it does, and it completely breaks its utility (it's better to die than escape a gank with it, tbh). Even if it had like 30 sec CD it would still be balanced. C'mon, 400 damage lol. 1:1 Ap ratio doesn't really help. If you think it over, at level 11 when it does 300, Kassadin can do the same damage at 3 sec CD with his E and the CC is also there. | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:19 Orpheos wrote: i mean thats why all those buffs they did to malph isnt really helping the bigger problem. his ult either needs to be extremely gamechanging like amumu's or it needs to be on shorter CD. as it is now he is just a nuisance. kinda like mord without as much lane dominance and a less useful ult. I've been playing malph recently and yes, his ulti should have a much shorter cooldown. It's a beast at 6 because I can just dive any mah fucker, whomp the ground and throw a rockdisc and walk out like a boss and team fights it is pretty good, but the longer times goes on and the lack of it scaling at all hurts me. The best I can do in a late team fight is hopefully headbutt two squishes, whomp the ground and hopefully kill one but then all my cooldowns are like 8+ seconds so I just have to run around punching shit :[ 1:1 ap ratio? Would it be worth getting mejai's if shit is going well so Q and R start to beef up? OR IS THAT JUST A WASTE OF TIME | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:33 Southlight wrote: He's the slowest at killing creep of the top junglers. He's actually even slower than Malphite, at killing creep. He's a slow jungler. one of my friends has been doing jungle Malphite with armor Reds and Yellows and it seems pretty fast. From what I remember of the jungle Rammus days it seems to be at least comparable to, if not faster than, that (since he basically spawns with 70 armor, that's a big GS). On September 03 2010 16:44 arb wrote: idk atleast from what ive seen if they dont get a bunch of magic rez or have very little ryze can rape through them pretty easy from what I've seen, if they don't get a bunch of armor or have very little, Panth can rape through them pretty easy. Seriously though, new Panth's late game is decent. He can't burst down a team the way old Panth could, but that 2 second stun is really good and if the game has become a spread out pushing affair, he's really good with his global ult. | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:36 gtrsrs wrote: One last question about armor reduction/pen does cleaver count as unique per TEAM or per champ? IE if two teammates get cleaver and both attack the same target will their armor get reduced to -120 after 5 shots or will itcap out at -60? Cause if the former Is true, then I'm thinking 5 ranged dps rushing cleaver and starks would literally shit on any team imagine kogmaw Ashe tristana sivir tf all with cleaver+starks... Assuming starks reduction only applies once, you're still going to need 320+ armor just to break even. If you approach this team at all you get arrowed/bustered/goldcarded and immeditately torn apart. After cleaver they all buy survivability and all become unkillable too... Good luck running from that team too pretty obvious that if stacks are applied on the target, cleavers don't differentiate between the source... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:38 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I've been playing malph recently and yes, his ulti should have a much shorter cooldown. It's a beast at 6 because I can just dive any mah fucker, whomp the ground and throw a rockdisc and walk out like a boss and team fights it is pretty good, but the longer times goes on and the lack of it scaling at all hurts me. The best I can do in a late team fight is hopefully headbutt two squishes, whomp the ground and hopefully kill one but then all my cooldowns are like 8+ seconds so I just have to run around punching shit :[ 1:1 ap ratio? Would it be worth getting mejai's if shit is going well so Q and R start to beef up? OR IS THAT JUST A WASTE OF TIME Cmon, it's 1:1 AP ratio on a spell that you use once per 140/120/100 seconds. You need like 1000 AP for that to be a real sort of DPS. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:46 azndsh wrote: pretty obvious that if stacks are applied on the target, cleavers don't differentiate between the source... not obvious or I wouldn't ask | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:47 Southlight wrote: Not saying Malphite is slow per se, but compared to WW/Udyr/etc. he's noticeably slow. And ofc he tends to lose jungle because he can't really fight back. By contrast Taric is slower AND can't fight back, he just doesn't die. o_O really? Malphite seems pretty good at fighting back since he stays really high health most of the time and has the AS debuff. again, same friend seems to spend a good bit of the time in the opposing jungle just smacking small creep camps around because he's quick on them (his slow point are buff creeps) and stays full health. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:00 Mogwai wrote: o_O really? Malphite seems pretty good at fighting back since he stays really high health most of the time and has the AS debuff. again, same friend seems to spend a good bit of the time in the opposing jungle just smacking small creep camps around because he's quick on them (his slow point are buff creeps) and stays full health. The reason why I feel Udyr is one of the strongest junglers in the game (if not The strongest) is because if he comes into your jungle he's a bitch to take down, and if you go into his jungle and get caught he'll run you down. Meanwhile on a hero like Malphite (and really Amumu too) you're fighting a lose battle. Oh you won't DIE usually (esp Malphite cuz of his imba snare/buff) but you can't stop them from taking your creep and you can't personally punish them for straying into your territory. Edit: Incidentally it's a bit like Cho vs WW jungle. As 5hit found out that one game because of CrazyNines, Cho > WW and Cho played well is a bitch to take down early on, so he'll just walk up to WW's jungle and kill everything. And WW can do jack. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Just had an awesome game! Sooo close to 30 too. ![[image loading]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/AlmightyWeaponX/no1panth.png) Their panth was claming to be the no1 panth on the server lol. He used his revive ult tactic to good effect like maybe once that I saw lol. Was too busy eating their whole team. Their Morde started kicking the crap outa my guys so next team fight I focused him down first lol. After a while they stopped trying to kill me and I had free reign haha. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:29 Khul Sadukar wrote: Well then I must be coming across shit Udyr's then cause every single one thats jungled against me has been a free meal (provided they didnt have 2 teammates come help which happened once..) Sorry to be mean, but probably. I despise being Amumu against HwangJK because that dick just camps out in my side of the jungle and might as well /dance our entire team. Kobe and lilballz also pull off stupid stunts like that in favorable matchups. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:31 Niton wrote: 6min/level 4 dragon is a slow jungle? How fast do you need to be to be fast? I don't know timing comparisons, but 6 minutes really feels pretty fast. lvl 6 in 7 minutes is average EDIT: And lvl 4 in 3:50 - 4:10 is normal. You will get the Dragon in around the same time with a decent jungler anyway, you just will be 2 levels higher. | ||
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
I play kassadin/kayle mostly and am gonna buy miss fortune cause she looks so hawt. add me! >therealdevil play sum games, oh i'm lvl 30 ofc  | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:20 Southlight wrote: You can go jack WW's creeps but he'll jack two of your creep (or your Liz) in YOUR forest while you do it, that sort of thing. And if HE comes into YOUR jungle you can't really do much about it. I dunno... I feel like Taric can basically intercept any dragon/buff attempts himself by threatening with a well-timed stun/shatter/smite combo, and WW/Udyr wouldn't be able to smite in time since they'll be stunned. Kinda like what I've pulled with a well-timed bandage toss/tantrum/smite on amumu. It's mostly in my head though. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 03 2010 18:43 arb wrote: Servers need to come back up so ic an finish my push to buy Brolaf  Also i know its been on the past couple pages but is there a general rotation you go when jungling? do you follow like warwick and get bloodrazors? just as i say this servers come up :D Don't forget, Olaf fights like a man, he doesn't run like a Teemo. It doesn't matter how fed their carry is you activate your ult and run in there and 1v5 their team (don't do this it will get you yelled at) | ||
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