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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 03 2010 18:37 GMT
#16101
Great players/teams can overcome a lack of jungler 5v4 though, but it generally requires some lame heroes like Twisted Fate. I once had a 5v4+jungle against HwangJK even that our 2v1 lane (Janna TF) crushed top tower and warded half the map so the jungler got really f-ed up.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
September 03 2010 18:49 GMT
#16102
On September 04 2010 03:35 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 03:20 barbsq wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how often do ppl jungle in the 'high' elo range? Is it like 99 times out of 100 there is a jungler, or more like 7-80? Im just curious, kus i feel like a potentially good strategy is to get 2 mega-strong dual lanes (think taric/garen) and just wreck top and bot to the point where the other team's extra solo doesnt mean shit.

High elo players realize that if you don't have someone jungling, the creeps in the forest are sitting there wasting free xp/gold by not respawning. There are plenty of casters and tank/casters that can rock lanes 1v2 by sitting back and outleveling (if you've ever fought a level 7 kassadin with two level 4 champions you know what I'm talking about, he could have zero creep kills and still crush the lane).


i am very much aware of the benefits of a jungler, also, i am the one who is usally the lvl 7 kass, that you speak of, so i also know how awesome a 1v2 lane can be. At the same time, i have also been victim to taric/garen, taric/sion, and kass/soraka combos (among others) and have actually been outleveled by some of said combos, simply because the zoned the hell out of me, and this is what prompted my question. I think south's answer was mostly what i was looking for, sort of a gimmiky strat that a group would use to get a cool win in a tourney or something, but not anything that would ever become standard.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 03 2010 18:55 GMT
#16103
being a strong mid pusher without a jungler is sometimes pretty cool though cause you can like, get free wraith/wolf camps when you push into their tower. like with sivir, wraith/wolf camp is roughly 0.1 seconds of Q + W when you hit level 3 so you can start getting absurdly farmed by just pushing up to their tower, ducking back and then nomming those camps.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 03 2010 19:35 GMT
#16104
almost any champion can jungle. if you dont have a jungler just have some one start creeping after lvl 3-4. i do this all the time with singed
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 03 2010 19:38 GMT
#16105
well, you're singed, you can do whatever you want and the opposing team with just die from your imbaness.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 03 2010 19:44 GMT
#16106
I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells.
Flame, or just suggestions for improvement?

I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 19:53:04
September 03 2010 19:51 GMT
#16107
On September 04 2010 04:44 spinesheath wrote:
I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells.
Flame, or just suggestions for improvement?

I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch.



As Janna I guess you take almost no MPen (or maybe you run MPen marks?) so considering you have 2 damaging skills, getting archaic knowledge is probably a good idea.


Archaic knowledge is no as good as the pre-% penetration nerf, but I think it's still worth it, specially if you're not going to get much flat mpen.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 03 2010 19:53 GMT
#16108
On September 04 2010 04:44 spinesheath wrote:
I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells.
Flame, or just suggestions for improvement?

I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch.

the most usual situations, is that you either use it to knock an enemie away, heal your allies, knock stuff like morg's / fiddle ulti away.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 03 2010 20:05 GMT
#16109
On September 04 2010 04:51 shalafi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 04:44 spinesheath wrote:
I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells.
Flame, or just suggestions for improvement?

I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch.



As Janna I guess you take almost no MPen (or maybe you run MPen marks?) so considering you have 2 damaging skills, getting archaic knowledge is probably a good idea.


Archaic knowledge is no as good as the pre-% penetration nerf, but I think it's still worth it, specially if you're not going to get much flat mpen.

I'm actually using my Ashe runepage. Useless APen marks, MP5L seals, CDR glyphs, 2 MSpd and 1 HP quint. I could equip MPen marks, but imo that doesn't do too much, considering that I play Janna as almost pure support. I don't have AP/L marks.

My skill order is R > E > W > Q with 1 early level in Q (around level 2-4). So I only have 1 spell that does noticeable damage, and I am mostly interested in the slow. If I wanted to get Archaic Knowledge I would have to drop the improved heal or the last utility mastery, and imo that's not worth it unless I were to build for damage.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
September 03 2010 20:09 GMT
#16110
You want an AP runepage for janna, but not many people have those.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
September 03 2010 20:11 GMT
#16111
Why an AP runepage on Janna? To maximise her early nastasticness? Also, flat AP or AP.level?
I suspect with an AP page you want Clarity and 9/0/21?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 03 2010 20:15 GMT
#16112
heals and shields benefit from AP but not magic pen, that's why you do AP over magic pen on characters like soraka/janna.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 03 2010 20:19 GMT
#16113
What exactly do you consider an AP runepage? Full AP? MP5/L seals allowed? Are AP glyphs better than CDR glyphs assuming you don't run out of mana? Though that most likely implies MP5/L seals...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 03 2010 20:25 GMT
#16114
I don't play champs for whom this would be ideal, so I wouldn't know exactly, but my guess would be a yes to mp5pl seals, flat AP on the Quints, and scaling AP on the glyphs and marks (they catch up to flats by level 6).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 20:46:03
September 03 2010 20:45 GMT
#16115
Malady berserker's greaves teemo in my last game. He and our sivir were accusing our tanks of being pussies because I wouldn't initiate fights where we were gonna get raped.

Highlight of the game was them saying 'see how you like it, from now on we're not gonna initiate and we're gonna run away from fights.' If they'd been doing that in the first place maybe they wouldn't have fed!
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 03 2010 20:52 GMT
#16116
malady zerker teemo is a pro build -_-'

oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances:

1. Ashe already had starks
2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already
3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs

I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 03 2010 21:24 GMT
#16117
What would you guys recommend for Singed? (Runes, masteries, items, the whole deal.)

I was looking at Dyrus' rune page and he uses no Mpen and all AP/level...which is weird?
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
September 03 2010 21:34 GMT
#16118
On September 04 2010 05:52 Mogwai wrote:
malady zerker teemo is a pro build -_-'

oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances:

1. Ashe already had starks
2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already
3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs

I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday.


What about starks?
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shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
September 03 2010 21:36 GMT
#16119
On September 04 2010 05:52 Mogwai wrote:
malady zerker teemo is a pro build -_-'

oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances:

1. Ashe already had starks
2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already
3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs

I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday.


You know, you can get the benefit of an aura twice, once if you have the item and once if an ally does.

So if you bought Starks, you would get twice the aura and so would she.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
September 03 2010 21:42 GMT
#16120
My opinion is that given that situation Malady + Elixers (you DID buy elixers too, right???) was better than Starks.
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