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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 04 2010 03:35 Flakes wrote: High elo players realize that if you don't have someone jungling, the creeps in the forest are sitting there wasting free xp/gold by not respawning. There are plenty of casters and tank/casters that can rock lanes 1v2 by sitting back and outleveling (if you've ever fought a level 7 kassadin with two level 4 champions you know what I'm talking about, he could have zero creep kills and still crush the lane). i am very much aware of the benefits of a jungler, also, i am the one who is usally the lvl 7 kass, that you speak of, so i also know how awesome a 1v2 lane can be. At the same time, i have also been victim to taric/garen, taric/sion, and kass/soraka combos (among others) and have actually been outleveled by some of said combos, simply because the zoned the hell out of me, and this is what prompted my question. I think south's answer was mostly what i was looking for, sort of a gimmiky strat that a group would use to get a cool win in a tourney or something, but not anything that would ever become standard. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Flame, or just suggestions for improvement? I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On September 04 2010 04:44 spinesheath wrote: I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells. Flame, or just suggestions for improvement? I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch. As Janna I guess you take almost no MPen (or maybe you run MPen marks?) so considering you have 2 damaging skills, getting archaic knowledge is probably a good idea. Archaic knowledge is no as good as the pre-% penetration nerf, but I think it's still worth it, specially if you're not going to get much flat mpen. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On September 04 2010 04:44 spinesheath wrote: I'm currently running 3/6/21 masteries for Janna, with Archmage's Savvy, Greed, Improved Heal and Flash. Obviously using Heal and Flash as summoner spells. Flame, or just suggestions for improvement? I would also like to improve my usage of her ult. I'm generally not satisfied with how it turns out. I figure it is very team coordination dependant, but getting a few hints might really help me out a bunch. the most usual situations, is that you either use it to knock an enemie away, heal your allies, knock stuff like morg's / fiddle ulti away. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 04 2010 04:51 shalafi wrote: As Janna I guess you take almost no MPen (or maybe you run MPen marks?) so considering you have 2 damaging skills, getting archaic knowledge is probably a good idea. Archaic knowledge is no as good as the pre-% penetration nerf, but I think it's still worth it, specially if you're not going to get much flat mpen. I'm actually using my Ashe runepage. Useless APen marks, MP5L seals, CDR glyphs, 2 MSpd and 1 HP quint. I could equip MPen marks, but imo that doesn't do too much, considering that I play Janna as almost pure support. I don't have AP/L marks. My skill order is R > E > W > Q with 1 early level in Q (around level 2-4). So I only have 1 spell that does noticeable damage, and I am mostly interested in the slow. If I wanted to get Archaic Knowledge I would have to drop the improved heal or the last utility mastery, and imo that's not worth it unless I were to build for damage. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I suspect with an AP page you want Clarity and 9/0/21? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
Highlight of the game was them saying 'see how you like it, from now on we're not gonna initiate and we're gonna run away from fights.' If they'd been doing that in the first place maybe they wouldn't have fed! | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances: 1. Ashe already had starks 2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already 3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
I was looking at Dyrus' rune page and he uses no Mpen and all AP/level...which is weird? | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On September 04 2010 05:52 Mogwai wrote: malady zerker teemo is a pro build -_-' oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances: 1. Ashe already had starks 2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already 3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday. What about starks? | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On September 04 2010 05:52 Mogwai wrote: malady zerker teemo is a pro build -_-' oh shit, I forgot to mention guys, but I built Malady on Pantheon in a moderately tight ranked game last night. I'm also 100% convinced it was the right decision under the circumstances: 1. Ashe already had starks 2. I had Mercs, Brutalizer, Ghostblade, Cleaver, GA already 3. I had 2500 gold and no active elixirs I was sorely lacking a form of lifesteal on my solo pushes and needed more AS to beast 1v1s, perfect solution? malday. You know, you can get the benefit of an aura twice, once if you have the item and once if an ally does. So if you bought Starks, you would get twice the aura and so would she. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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