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On August 28 2010 05:59 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 05:03 Athos wrote:On August 28 2010 04:45 redtooth wrote:On August 28 2010 04:42 Athos wrote:
Don't buff corki damnit....he doesn't need anything.
Now everybody is going to know what a beast Corki is...and that shouldn't stand... you realize corki is a shit character and that "Corki is the best hard carry but is too difficult for anybody" is a myth made by Phreak fans right? Grimmm was the only Corki player in recent memory (outside of Maknoon's random stint with him). And Maknoon got top 200 playing corki. I've had great success with him and find him to as capable as any other carry. Point is I like that he's difficult to use and the fact that nobody plays him. I'm not going to say he's as good as Ezreal or anything, but rather that he is an overshadowed character that has a truely strong late game. He's fine. The only thing that could use a buff is valkarie's range, but his damage output is 2nd to none. It's just Ezreal has a far better early game. and 199 other players got into top 200 playing not-corki. Maknoon is a great player who could have made top 200 with any character (especially with the number of games he played). besides, i don't think you understand why hard carries have died out. they simply don't work anymore. 3 tanks will jump on you and you have to simply run for your life the entire team-fight. the reason why ezreal still works is because he's damn good at running away and can still hit really hard from afar. corki has to stand still or at least face the enemies he's fighting while auto-attacking.
Oh believe me, I understand that hard carries have died out. I'm just comparing Corki to other carries when I'm talking about damage output. All I'm saying is that corki is very viable but most people overlook him. I like having a character I know how to play that others don't. Buffing Corki ruins some of the allure to carrying with him.
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I enjoy playing kayle....... =/
And yeah, I've had idiots say "play tank kayle." I just stare blankly at my computer screen thinking "is this guy serious?"
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Kayle and Ezreal both occupy a wonderfully imbalanced position of "easily snowballing carry with strong early game, good team utility, and sufficient kiting to survive in this no-carry metagame." It's like if Corki dominated 9/10 of lanes, Tristana's abilities scaled with AD, or Garen... was less bulky but had some sort of support ability / stronger escape.
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am i a bad friend for not wanting to play lol with my friend's friend who just started LoL and never played dota before? he went 0-10 his first game and is was one of the worst time i had in LoL.
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On August 28 2010 08:16 Orpheos wrote:
i think one of the reasons why kayle is so good as a "carry" is similar to Ezreal in that she "kicks in" earlier than other carries. with just that core of ring,zrkers,GRB,nashor she can chug elixirs and just dominate the mid game.
That's the thing I fail to understand.
"Just" zerkers, GRB and Nashors is like a fuckton of gold (over 6K? with pots most definitely). Unless you don't make kills in the early game, you will never get so far in midgame even with great CS. And I've found that making kills with an early game unitemized Kayle is very hard. They will just flash or ghost and laugh in your face because there ain't shit you can do without a hard disable and with a very mediocre slow. Maybe she should take ghost/flash, I dunno.
The other thing I might be doing wrong is that she might be an exclusive 1v1 lane hero, like Vlad. So far I've only mid her once (won, but had some trouble), dual laned (feels crap) and played 1v2 with her (entered midgame with not a lot of gold).
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On August 28 2010 08:43 jaw wrote:
am i a bad friend for not wanting to play lol with my friend's friend who just started LoL and never played dota before? he went 0-10 his first game and is was one of the worst time i had in LoL.
oh no, he didn't do well the first time he played a game he never played before, where he's a character with skills he doesn't understand, teamed with players who help him in ways he doesn't understand, and against 5 enemies all trying to kill him in ways he doesn't understand?
WHAT A BADDIE!
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On August 28 2010 08:49 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 08:16 Orpheos wrote:
i think one of the reasons why kayle is so good as a "carry" is similar to Ezreal in that she "kicks in" earlier than other carries. with just that core of ring,zrkers,GRB,nashor she can chug elixirs and just dominate the mid game. That's the thing I fail to understand. "Just" zerkers, GRB and Nashors is like a fuckton of gold (over 6K? with pots most definitely). Unless you don't make kills in the early game, you will never get so far in midgame even with great CS. And I've found that making kills with an early game unitemized Kayle is very hard. They will just flash or ghost and laugh in your face because there ain't shit you can do without a hard disable and with a very mediocre slow. Maybe she should take ghost/flash, I dunno.
more like just boots and grb with a stinger/recurve bow
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On August 28 2010 08:49 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 08:16 Orpheos wrote:
i think one of the reasons why kayle is so good as a "carry" is similar to Ezreal in that she "kicks in" earlier than other carries. with just that core of ring,zrkers,GRB,nashor she can chug elixirs and just dominate the mid game. That's the thing I fail to understand. "Just" zerkers, GRB and Nashors is like a fuckton of gold (over 6K? with pots most definitely). Unless you don't make kills in the early game, you will never get so far in midgame even with great CS. And I've found that making kills with an early game unitemized Kayle is very hard. They will just flash or ghost and laugh in your face because there ain't shit you can do without a hard disable and with a very mediocre slow. Maybe she should take ghost/flash, I dunno. The other thing I might be doing wrong is that she might be an exclusive 1v1 lane hero, like Vlad. So far I've only mid her once (won, but had some trouble), dual laned (feels crap) and played 1v2 with her (entered midgame with not a lot of gold).
Rageblade is relatively cheap for it's benefit to kayle, and all you really need to get is boots + rageblade and you can already do a lot of damage (>100 AP + >100 AD with 8 stacks). You can still get Nashors if you get kills early, which you really should be able to as kayle.
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FUCK FUCK FUCK. I just combined my leftover tier 2 runes (only had 5 ololo) into a HP quint. The problem is that I already have 3!!!
FFS!!!
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On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type. Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG. And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry. l0cust and i were talking about some of this stuff back during WCG. my argument was that if Corki was truly that strong a carry then why doesn't anybody play him? think about it, everybody flocks to the truly "OP" heroes in the game. everybody (including myself despite how 1-dimensional i am) can play ezreal, can play kayle, used to be able to play ashe, etc etc. nobody flocked to Corki because he wasn't that strong. and those that mained corki were no more impressive than others who mained carries (locodoco for instance).
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Just had a guy say Karthus is op when my friends and I were playing together. Well of course he would be when they stand in his defile for over 15 seconds when I ult and heal as kayle and zil revives him with his ult as well then he dies and they're still standing in it while we blast them apart.........
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My Match History is filled with Evelynn games and Zilean games. I've only lost 1/5 games with Zilean. I've lost 2/5 with Evelynn. -_-
What's GBR?
Playing Evelynn a bit more, I'm wondering what other people do with her. She seems to fill the same role as Riki/Night Hound (support DPS) but in terms of items, masteries, and particularly runes, I'm still stumped.
I can't tell if her Q is a horrible skill or if it's amazing. Ravage seems like something bad but also seems like something good. And runes, I have no idea what to use on her. I feel that she needs some MP/5/LVL Glyphs, but for Marks and Seals I have no idea. Pretty sure I'll end up using MS Quints, as she's just soooo slow.
Why isn't there a Butterfly equivalent in LoL? -_-
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On August 28 2010 09:15 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type. Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG. And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry. l0cust and i were talking about some of this stuff back during WCG. my argument was that if Corki was truly that strong a carry then why doesn't anybody play him? think about it, everybody flocks to the truly "OP" heroes in the game. everybody (including myself despite how 1-dimensional i am) can play ezreal, can play kayle, used to be able to play ashe, etc etc. nobody flocked to Corki because he wasn't that strong. and those that mained corki were no more impressive than others who mained carries (locodoco for instance).
Because he's hard as balls to lane with, much easier to go mid with something that ezpz kills (Ezreal, Kat, etc.) or something that farms safely (Trist). Which is why he's "hard to play" but in terms of actual carry power I (and many others) felt he trumped almost every other carry. To date Corki is by far the most devastating late-game ranged DPS, and he's the only one I can feel comfortable saying "a farmed Corki will demolish a tank team." Like, 6 items, triple elixir, ranged carry vs ranged carry who wins?
Corki, hands down.
Can he get there?
... if you're REALLY good... and/or you're feasting on a shitty player...
I mean, if there's a ranged DPS, I'll always groan if Ezreal's rolling, etc. but nothing makes me feel more rushed than like puregoldenboy on his Corki farming up a storm. 'Cause he WILL kill us late-game.
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Finally gave in and tried in. Seems a lot more fun then me then i ever liked dota or hon except for the microtransactions and leveling thing
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On August 28 2010 09:26 Jazriel wrote:
My Match History is filled with Evelynn games and Zilean games. I've only lost 1/5 games with Zilean. I've lost 2/5 with Evelynn. -_-
What's GBR?
Playing Evelynn a bit more, I'm wondering what other people do with her. She seems to fill the same role as Riki/Night Hound (support DPS) but in terms of items, masteries, and particularly runes, I'm still stumped.
I can't tell if her Q is a horrible skill or if it's amazing. Ravage seems like something bad but also seems like something good. And runes, I have no idea what to use on her. I feel that she needs some MP/5/LVL Glyphs, but for Marks and Seals I have no idea. Pretty sure I'll end up using MS Quints, as she's just soooo slow.
Why isn't there a Butterfly equivalent in LoL? -_-
Rikimaru and Night Hound are some of the strongest hard carries in the game that when farmed can almost single-handedly destroy teams during a BKB. Evelynn just dies. She's like Bounty Hunter if you want a DotA reference.
Her Q is only good for sheen procs imo.
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On August 28 2010 09:26 Jazriel wrote:
Playing Evelynn a bit more, I'm wondering what other people do with her. She seems to fill the same role as Riki/Night Hound (support DPS) but in terms of items, masteries, and particularly runes, I'm still stumped.
I can't tell if her Q is a horrible skill or if it's amazing. Ravage seems like something bad but also seems like something good. And runes, I have no idea what to use on her. I feel that she needs some MP/5/LVL Glyphs, but for Marks and Seals I have no idea. Pretty sure I'll end up using MS Quints, as she's just soooo slow.
She's a pretty decent tank, because her ult heals her 50% every time some enemy dies, so if your team can score kills you just keep being a stud. Her base HP sucks, though, so you have to build her in this awkward tank/damage hybrid (because you still need to be a threat). That's why I took DD's build of going one or two HoGs into Sheen into pure tank into Lichbane, it gives you a decent mix of damage while being a tank, and you just dink them to death (as all tanks do). It's particularly noteworthy in this metagame (derpderp!) of dinky tanks because you're not as afraid of like an instant 3000 damage burst that kills you. You can eat Garen's spin and then if something dies boom you're back at 100% hp.
GRB = Guinsoo's Rageblade.
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Don't be fooled, man. I'm almost 100% convinced that posts like that are just people trolling. I hope :/
I've seen some really terrible shit (attack speed Katarina?) but never anything near as bad as attack speed Kassadin.
Anyway, my wife just picked up Kog'Maw, and he is hilarious. I've seen the "standard" builds for him (pretty much his recommended items), but it seems nice to me to get a Rageblade after Boots + Bloodrazor. The AD helps against non-tanky characters and the AP stacks give you an extra 1% on your W and "free" attack speed. Is Last Whisper just better (seems strictly inferior to me)? Also, I would build MPen reds on him reasoning that the majority of his damage is going to be from W. Hard to tell if that's true or not because of his Q.
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Oh lol I've followed the Kayle recommendations, revamped my page for her, and went mid.
A fucking Teemo! Blind and ultra movespeed -> GG. Couldn't stay even in attrition even with exhaust, so I had to resort to healing myself an last hitting on occasion. Seriously, I don't understand why people consider him subpar, he's such an annoying and decent champ.
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Ah fuck, think im screwed.
vsing Soraka, gang, singed, urgot, tf team..
Fuck shoulda dodged. Terribad team zzz
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whats your skill order bluzman? it sounds like you're playing kayle really wrong...
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