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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
August 27 2010 21:06 GMT
#14941
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.

It doesn't fucking need to mean what the dictionary says. I always laugh when SC players get so bent out of shape over the use of one particular word, when as a subculture, nerds invent and misuse words all the freaking time.

Why all the uproar?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 27 2010 21:08 GMT
#14942
Just got carried by Jatt in solo queue. Dunno how I (1470) get matched up with a 1650.
Not complaining though.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 27 2010 21:14 GMT
#14943
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 27 2010 21:17 GMT
#14944
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame.

And I've only seen one decent corki, and I was on a team with a feeder so.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 21:24:02
August 27 2010 21:20 GMT
#14945
To me meta game means game outside of the true game. That includes things like summoner leveling up, achievement point gaming on xbox, and planning team composition based on what most people are doing now. So I don't see the problem /shrug.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 21:21:46
August 27 2010 21:21 GMT
#14946
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.

That's what metagame means in Starcraft, I would think that's what it means in LoL.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 27 2010 21:24 GMT
#14947
On August 28 2010 06:17 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming#Adaptation_to_a_specific_gaming_environment

Also complaining about the incorrect usage of words in the English language and when you're an American is hilarious. FFS google is a word, now. Guys, we have such an inflexible language. Newsflash: we don't. And enough people use "metagame" the way it's used by SC people (and in this case LoL people) that you can stick your silly attempt at being a vocabulary nazi up wherever it came from.

Haz: I get stuck with 14XX all the time in solo ranked matches. No one knows why but it introduces an extreme measure of randomness.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Fishcakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States149 Posts
August 27 2010 21:34 GMT
#14948
For match making in ranked, it follows the same system as normal games before, The only thing that has changed was bans and now you can see your ELO. I remember before season 1 Southlight said he would solo que because of how it would place you either players a lot better than you or be grouped with players a lot worse than you. Along with that match making favors shorter ques over equal games, and you get your match up,
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 21:35:06
August 27 2010 21:34 GMT
#14949
EDIT: I grew up on mtg, but I don't have a problem with any vaguely standard usage of the term.

I've got 1558, should I pick up singed so the entire map is open for tower diving or save up for jax/kassadin?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
August 27 2010 21:40 GMT
#14950
I would really recommend against Jax nowadays. He's a great hero, but he counters a specific asset of champions who are very rarely played. And he has very, very bad early game compared to many other champs.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 21:45:14
August 27 2010 21:42 GMT
#14951
On August 28 2010 06:24 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:17 PanN wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming#Adaptation_to_a_specific_gaming_environment

Also complaining about the incorrect usage of words in the English language and when you're an American is hilarious. FFS google is a word, now. Guys, we have such an inflexible language. Newsflash: we don't. And enough people use "metagame" the way it's used by SC people (and in this case LoL people) that you can stick your silly attempt at being a vocabulary nazi up wherever it came from.

Haz: I get stuck with 14XX all the time in solo ranked matches. No one knows why but it introduces an extreme measure of randomness.


Trust me, I'm no where near a vocabulary nazi, and because a bunch of people use it a certain way, doesn't make it correct.

It's just annoying when people use words completely wrong, not even remotely wrong, but completely wrong.

And the bit at the end of your post was cute.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447

"* Metagaming can also mean the standardized strategy *
- No it can't. You are misusing the word.

* Metagaming has multiple meanings *
- No it doesn't. The meaning is broad to cover innumerable situations, but they are all captured under the single definition."
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 27 2010 21:42 GMT
#14952
On August 28 2010 04:24 BajaBlood wrote:
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On August 28 2010 01:37 rkarhu wrote:
How the hell do you jungle as Udyr? I've left two games today because of sheer embarrasment cuz I've died to golem at the start. I sport smite and rally, start with cloth and 5 pots and go with turtle stance. I'm only lv 13 so my I cant get any sick masteries, same with runes. Is it possible to jungle well without a good runepage or masteries?


I'm in the 20s now level-wise so I'm able to start with blue now no problems (I use phoenix though to do it faster, but turtle worked for me as well), but I used to try to jungle with various heroes before I had good rune/mastery loadouts.

My suggestions would be to either: A.) Start with a fort pot plus 5xhealth pot and see if that works - the fortitude potion is stronger than cloth armor but won't contribute to your item build. However the extra dmg (= faster jungling) and the ability to start at blue will make it worth the money.
or B.) Have someone stay near blue (they should be to stop the enemy team from warding anyway) and cast a spell on it after it spawns (a mundo cleaver works wonders)

I wouldn't do an alternate route unless you can't find any way to beat golem at level 1; the blue rune is critical to fast jungling and fast jungling opens up a lot more ganking opportunities (on that note I'd recommend switching to smite/ghost if you can find a way to beat golem without rally)

Even a lvl 13 can do it with phoenix stance and full lvl 1 aspd runeset. Turtle stance is awful, even if you don't die, you're doing it so slowly you'll be far behind where you normally would be.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 27 2010 21:46 GMT
#14953
I prefer to use the word "metagame" to refer to the common trends of the time, more or less.


Also why hasn't Kayle fell down the nerf tree yet? It seems like when Ezreal fell he hit every branch along the way.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 27 2010 21:47 GMT
#14954
On August 28 2010 06:17 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame.

And I've only seen one decent corki, and I was on a team with a feeder so.

So can you enlighten us on the "correct" way to use the word metagame because I was under the impression that it was the trends of the players that you're going to be up against as well.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 27 2010 21:47 GMT
#14955
I mean there's like six of us and one of you and we all think we're using it correctly.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 21:50:38
August 27 2010 21:48 GMT
#14956
Just got matched with Xpecial, is he some high elo player? I've heard his name before..\

Bitch took kassadin.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 27 2010 21:49 GMT
#14957
On August 28 2010 06:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:17 PanN wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame.

And I've only seen one decent corki, and I was on a team with a feeder so.

So can you enlighten us on the "correct" way to use the word metagame because I was under the impression that it was the trends of the players that you're going to be up against as well.


Someone else stated the correct way, and so did I a few posts up, there's a link to a giant thread on the explanation of it.

I apologize if I came off as a dick, with redtooth and south being so quick to jump on peoples league of legends mistakes, I didn't think telling them that they used the word metagame wrong would offend so much.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 27 2010 21:52 GMT
#14958
On August 28 2010 06:48 HazMat wrote:
Just got matched with Xpecial, is he some high elo player? I've heard his name before..


One of the best Ezreal players, and one of the most consistent carries. If you're with him, enjoy the ride :D If you're against, uhh, keep him down.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 27 2010 21:53 GMT
#14959
On August 28 2010 06:46 Phrost wrote:
I prefer to use the word "metagame" to refer to the common trends of the time, more or less.


Also why hasn't Kayle fell down the nerf tree yet? It seems like when Ezreal fell he hit every branch along the way.

'Cause she can fly?

How about we just ban the word metagame. Aren't there some admins who will ban you if you use that word anyways? :p
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 27 2010 21:53 GMT
#14960
On August 28 2010 06:49 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 06:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:17 PanN wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote:
On August 28 2010 06:06 Haemonculus wrote:
The word metagaming has a different meaning in different gaming circles. In warhammer or MTG or even GSB the word is used to refer to the current trend of game players, be it army lists, fleet comp, or deck type.


Second this, I grew up around "metagame" referring to the current trend because of M:tG.

And redtooth that's not really true, Corki has always been one of the strongest carries because of his farm speed and because gatling + true damage was ridiculous. It just took either a strong player (MakNooN was making it work, and I'd seen several Koreans pull it off) or a terrible opponent to make it work consistently because on paper he has no laning power whatsoever, and he's a farm-heavy carry.


Well, however you use it doesn't matter because you're still using it wrong, same with redtooth, thats not how you use the word metagame.

And I've only seen one decent corki, and I was on a team with a feeder so.

So can you enlighten us on the "correct" way to use the word metagame because I was under the impression that it was the trends of the players that you're going to be up against as well.


Someone else stated the correct way, and so did I a few posts up, there's a link to a giant thread on the explanation of it.

I apologize if I came off as a dick, with redtooth and south being so quick to jump on peoples league of legends mistakes, I didn't think telling them that they used the word metagame wrong would offend so much.


Based on : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming

Both ways of using "metagame" are correct. Let's drop this argument and continue talking about league of legends.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
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