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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 28 2010 03:51 myopia wrote: Doing some build number crunching here, anyone know if your starting 475 gold is applied to your end of game gold total? I would assume so, the initial gold is given to players a fraction of a second after the game starts with the timer on 00:00. | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:20 r33k wrote: i had to lol. haha you really think that a corki is going to be able to stand still and auto attack? gatling gun is a non-factor since he'll be running for his life half the time. way to act like you've solved a metagame. the healing metagame was "solved" because RIOT introduced super buff tanks. the tank metagame will only be "solved" when something even stronger appears.With mardreds kog'maw and AD corki the tank metagame is pretty much done for good... EDIT: 850 range on gatling gun is BS. Srsly I could barely survive a stun->gatling gun on fast randuin alistar, now that they even nerfed his ult it's going to be insane. | ||
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BajaBlood
United States205 Posts
On August 28 2010 01:37 rkarhu wrote: How the hell do you jungle as Udyr? I've left two games today because of sheer embarrasment cuz I've died to golem at the start. I sport smite and rally, start with cloth and 5 pots and go with turtle stance. I'm only lv 13 so my I cant get any sick masteries, same with runes. Is it possible to jungle well without a good runepage or masteries? I'm in the 20s now level-wise so I'm able to start with blue now no problems (I use phoenix though to do it faster, but turtle worked for me as well), but I used to try to jungle with various heroes before I had good rune/mastery loadouts. My suggestions would be to either: A.) Start with a fort pot plus 5xhealth pot and see if that works - the fortitude potion is stronger than cloth armor but won't contribute to your item build. However the extra dmg (= faster jungling) and the ability to start at blue will make it worth the money. or B.) Have someone stay near blue (they should be to stop the enemy team from warding anyway) and cast a spell on it after it spawns (a mundo cleaver works wonders) I wouldn't do an alternate route unless you can't find any way to beat golem at level 1; the blue rune is critical to fast jungling and fast jungling opens up a lot more ganking opportunities (on that note I'd recommend switching to smite/ghost if you can find a way to beat golem without rally) | ||
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Ownagecake
Canada4 Posts
On August 28 2010 04:18 redtooth wrote: i had to lol. haha you really think that a corki is going to be able to stand still and auto attack? gatling gun is a non-factor since he'll be running for his life half the time. way to act like you've solved a metagame. the healing metagame was "solved" because RIOT introduced super buff tanks. the tank metagame will only be "solved" when something even stronger appears. metagame... | ||
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TacoSupreme
United States26 Posts
I think he means it in the same way the metagame is in Magic the Gathering or Warhammer. Examples from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
Now everybody is going to know what a beast Corki is...and that shouldn't stand... | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On August 28 2010 04:42 Athos wrote: you realize corki is a shit character and that "Corki is the best hard carry but is too difficult for anybody" is a myth made by Phreak fans right? Grimmm was the only Corki player in recent memory (outside of Maknoon's random stint with him).Don't buff corki damnit....he doesn't need anything. Now everybody is going to know what a beast Corki is...and that shouldn't stand... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22065 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I must admit that I die like once, occasionally twice to Kata in mid, I'm probably still not defensive enough against her. But that's never lost me the game despite some people claiming so... A decent Kata feels stronger than say Vlad against me. Maybe I need to play it a bit differently to make at least sure I don't die... I really don't understand how I can get a streak of 8+ games where I have at least no feeders in my team (or no more than the enemy team), and then suddenly my allies are dieing left and right... Also why do people always turn back if I send an Arrow at chasing enemies? 5% HP, 3 enemies, 1 ECA? Go for it! | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
LOL LOL LOL just had a game where in pre-game chat, our teemo tells us to "trust him, he's going tank teemo" we all object. i'm xin laning with team captain soraka, who goes starcall first, and Q>all in terms of skills. the lane is constantly pushed to their tower, they have AN EVE, we get ganked literally 10 times before our team gets a kill. i tell her she should stop, because i can't get any last hits and her response was "don't worry i'm getting them" -_- jungle warwick has *only* a cloth armor until the 20 minute mark, when he completes his first item... guardian angel. with 1300 HP and < 100 AD, he thinks GA is great first item. before boots. "tank teemo" solo mid is like 0-4 to urgot at this point. solo nasus goes chalice first (now i can spam spirit fire like mad!) and then triforce. before boots. we got our shit packed in for 35 minutes before i finally got some lucky kills and built up some steam, enough for wit's end and bloodrazors. we ended up winning which was one of the most baffling parts of the game. all in all, the *only* reason i can think we won is because i had teleport and was able to teleport to pushed lanes and get a tower or two every time we held them off at our base. like i don't want to say at 8-8-5 i was the reason we won, but 2-10 teemo, 0-5 soraka, 6-10 nasus, and 5-5 warwick certainly weren't pulling their weight. point is: teleport best spell. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On August 28 2010 04:45 redtooth wrote: you realize corki is a shit character and that "Corki is the best hard carry but is too difficult for anybody" is a myth made by Phreak fans right? Grimmm was the only Corki player in recent memory (outside of Maknoon's random stint with him). And Maknoon got top 200 playing corki. I've had great success with him and find him to as capable as any other carry. Point is I like that he's difficult to use and the fact that nobody plays him. I'm not going to say he's as good as Ezreal or anything, but rather that he is an overshadowed character that has a truely strong late game. He's fine. The only thing that could use a buff is valkarie's range, but his damage output is 2nd to none. It's just Ezreal has a far better early game. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 28 2010 04:56 Gorsameth wrote: I have really lost any shred of believe in humanity thanks to 5v5 solo ranked. While i am hardly a good player the amount of leavers and downright horrible players has officially made me drop below 1100 rating >< You need a partner! Queuing up with 1 other person is still solo queue... 3 people though means you're in arranged team ranked and fight teams of other 5 mans with two unlucky soloers. So one person is the jungler, the other takes a 1v2 laneing champion. If those spots are taken already, hope they're good and pick other types of uber carries and good luck XD Duo queue also means you get first pick as the leader of the duo group no matter your elo, so you can pick the jungler before anyone else on the team does. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 28 2010 05:03 Athos wrote: And Maknoon got top 200 playing corki. I've had great success with him and find him to as capable as any other carry. Point is I like that he's difficult to use and the fact that nobody plays him. I'm not going to say he's as good as Ezreal or anything, but rather that he is an overshadowed character that has a truely strong late game. He's fine. The only thing that could use a buff is valkarie's range, but his damage output is 2nd to none. If by none you mean like, probably a dozen champions, sure. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On August 28 2010 05:09 red_ wrote: If by none you mean like, probably a dozen champions, sure. Corki with maxed items will do more damage than any other carry in the game. The problem is getting to that point. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 28 2010 05:11 Athos wrote: Corki with maxed items will do more damage than any other carry in the game. The problem is getting to that point. In the unrealistic scenario that is 'maxed items' I'd still take a Yi or Trynd as my pick for 'person that does the most damage.' In the confines of games that actually take place though, there are many more champions that output more damage than Corki because Gatling Gun isn't going to hit all 5 enemies at once unharassed, and you aren't going to have IE/BC/BT | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
I'm also going Ghostblade Brute but after that? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On August 28 2010 04:37 TacoSupreme wrote: I think he means it in the same way the metagame is in Magic the Gathering or Warhammer. Examples from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447 had to post this link  | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On August 28 2010 05:03 Athos wrote: and 199 other players got into top 200 playing not-corki. Maknoon is a great player who could have made top 200 with any character (especially with the number of games he played). besides, i don't think you understand why hard carries have died out. they simply don't work anymore. 3 tanks will jump on you and you have to simply run for your life the entire team-fight. the reason why ezreal still works is because he's damn good at running away and can still hit really hard from afar. corki has to stand still or at least face the enemies he's fighting while auto-attacking.And Maknoon got top 200 playing corki. I've had great success with him and find him to as capable as any other carry. Point is I like that he's difficult to use and the fact that nobody plays him. I'm not going to say he's as good as Ezreal or anything, but rather that he is an overshadowed character that has a truely strong late game. He's fine. The only thing that could use a buff is valkarie's range, but his damage output is 2nd to none. It's just Ezreal has a far better early game. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 28 2010 05:47 ToT)OjKa( wrote: What are good masteries for Ashe? I'm going 21/9/0 with APen and mp5 runes. I'm also going Ghostblade Brute but after that? I suggest 11/0/19 with APen and CDR, flat CDR glyphs and MP5/L seals with that build. With Meditation you have just about enough mana. Maybe except for the time when you just finished Ghostblade/Bruta and start spamming in lots of fights. After that I like to get some defense (and red elixiers), Guardian Angel (if your allies probably live long enough for you to come back up) or Banshees Veil generally. If you don't need defense (though your enemies really should be focusing you at that point), get an AD item (Infinity Edge, Black Cleaver, Bloodthirster, Sword of the Occult if you want to draw even more aggro) to boost your Volley. Other defensive items you might consider are Atmas Impaler and, god forbid, Frozen Mallet (afaik the slows stack and the HP bonus is just godly). I never got one of these though. Especially Atmas is situational because usually you're mostly concerned with magic damage. I advise against Thornmail in any case, you have no HP to take damage that could be thrown back. Consider Quicksilver Sash against lots of CC. After defense is covered, stack AD as possible, maybe add green Elixiers. Somehow I feel like I am talking about this build a little too much... But it's so awesome to be able to do something as Ashe before having farmed 10k gold. | ||
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